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d0urd3n
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Why is SAB useful if dry verm protects from contams?
#19111058 - 11/09/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright guys so I am finally attempting my first grow. I'm starting off with PF Tek I think, although I may get confident and try to spawn the jars who knows. Anyways I have been following Shea's tek and he/she says do not use masking tape/micropore tape or aluminum foil because the half inch layer of dry verm protects it plenty and this allows more airflow to increase colonization times.
So my question then is, why bother using a still air box? I was going to make one but now I wonder why? In Shea's tek he doesn't mention a SAB so maybe I don't need to bother. But many other teks and info I have read on here say that you will have greater success using one.
Anyways I just dont see the point of putting it in a contam free zone, shoot some spores into it then take it back out and set it on a shelf...
Am I missing something here?
Thanks.
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Re: Why is SAB useful if dry verm protects from contams? [Re: d0urd3n] 1
#19111078 - 11/09/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just an added precautionary measure.
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Re: Why is SAB useful if dry verm protects from contams? [Re: d0urd3n]
#19111082 - 11/09/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You don't need any tape, but the foil is to keep water from getting into the jars and throwing the moisture level off. You just take it off before inoculating, then throw it away.
The SAB isn't necessary for PF Tek. Might be handy for making spore prints, and very necessary for agar work.
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Re: Why is SAB useful if dry verm protects from contams? [Re: OgreLokon]
#19111089 - 11/09/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright thanks both of you I guess I was over thinking it.
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Re: Why is SAB useful if dry verm protects from contams? [Re: d0urd3n]
#19111210 - 11/09/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A sab is suggested because inoculation is when your verm barrier is the most vulnerable n the time your shoving your needle in and shifting it around or pushing some into your substrate, but you can get away without it for sure it's just good practice to use one
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Re: Why is SAB useful if dry verm protects from contams? [Re: cronicr]
#19111259 - 11/09/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Still air boxes are great. properly constructed glove boxes are even better. when you are dealing with microscopic invaders, it is best to take every precaution possible so that there are less problems down the road.
safer is always better than sorry. I use a still air box for every inoculation i do, and i am anal-retentive about using lysol.
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Re: Why is SAB useful if dry verm protects from contams? [Re: 404]
#19111345 - 11/09/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah better safe than sorry I will make and use one. It's not like they are difficult to make anyways. At least a mediocre one. In the future I will definitely be making a nice one, I am just leaving on a trip soon and they need to get nocced up tommorrow :P
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Re: Why is SAB useful if dry verm protects from contams? [Re: d0urd3n]
#19111379 - 11/09/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol, dude you wouldn't believe what i am using as a still air box. i took this blue tinged box and used it as a shitty shotgun fruiting chamber, holes all over it. i taped up the holes, and used a knife to cut two large holes using the little holes from cut to cut. It works though... lol
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Re: Why is SAB useful if dry verm protects from contams? [Re: d0urd3n]
#19111434 - 11/09/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You'd better get used to using one if you want to do anything other than cake grows in the future.
Practise keeping everything organised so that you can go about your business in the SAB without flailing your hands about and causing it to become an unstill air box.
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Re: Why is SAB useful if dry verm protects from contams? [Re: Khii Khwaay]
#19111516 - 11/09/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Khii Khwaay said: You'd better get used to using one if you want to do anything other than cake grows in the future.
Practise keeping everything organised so that you can go about your business in the SAB without flailing your hands about and causing it to become an unstill air box.
Yeah this makes sense to practice technique for when I start to work with agar, etc.
Definitely will go with the SAB. Using no foil or tape at all sketches me out a bit but I am very inexperienced so we'll see how it goes. I will let you guys know how it goes in a grow log in a few weeks as long as I get at least one uncontaminated cake.
Edited by d0urd3n (11/09/13 06:33 PM)
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Re: Why is SAB useful if dry verm protects from contams? [Re: d0urd3n]
#19111524 - 11/09/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You still use foil over the jars for sterilization so water does not drip in the holes, but then it gets removed.
Remove it directly after sterilization, so the dry verm layer remains dry.
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Re: Why is SAB useful if dry verm protects from contams? [Re: PussyFart]
#19111565 - 11/09/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: You still use foil over the jars for sterilization so water does not drip in the holes, but then it gets removed.
Remove it directly after sterilization, so the dry verm layer remains dry.
They finished sterilizing exactly an hour ago. My PC tried to explode on me it wasn't working correctly so I boiled them for 90 minutes. I read to leave the lid on and not touch them for about 8 hours and then noc them up. Is this correct? Should I go and remove the foil right now? I planned on taking them off after I inoculated them tomorrow morning.
If I take the foil off now should I still leave them in the pot and noc up tomorrow?
Thanks Nota.
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Re: Why is SAB useful if dry verm protects from contams? [Re: d0urd3n]
#19111595 - 11/09/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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They should be fine till tomorrow.
Your welcome buddy.
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