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iPear
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#19110898 - 11/09/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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CRINGE
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Deathcore
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: iPear]
#19111425 - 11/09/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you need some money, and you need to move out of there and eat healthy/exercise.. thats all.
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: Deathcore]
#19111501 - 11/09/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Salvia for me is nothing like weed. Don't mess around with that stuff unless you're prepared to shit your pants.
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: Eric573]
#19111546 - 11/09/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ive never tried salvia but it seems very very satanic..or demonic..or something..
it goes from awesome to horrifying..
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: Deathcore]
#19111551 - 11/09/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: Deathcore]
#19111579 - 11/09/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Deathcore I would not call it evil. Salvia seems neutral to me. It's like a cat playing with its food. Probably the best way I can explain it. Oh and salvia talks. That is probably the scariest part.
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iPear
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: Eric573]
#19112023 - 11/09/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does anyone have anything to say that can make me feel better? I've never been so depressed. It's as if I'm void of all pleasure and emotion. I can't stop thinking about suicide. I can't explain how depressed I am, please help.. I can't even cry but I wish I could. Please help.. I'm going to self medicate with weed probably for the rest of my life. It's the only thing that I think will help. I'm definitely going to a psychologist though, I don't think therapy will do jackshit but maybe big pharma's rack of medications will make life bearable. That's all I want.
It's like my mind is FORCING me to realize how stupid life is. How you wake up early and work, for no reason. I'm overwhelmed by the hopelessness. Someone help.. =\
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: iPear]
#19112231 - 11/09/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Make a kid and teach them, then they can make a kid and teach them, and so on and so forth.. to keep the human race going until we go extinct..
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openmind
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: iPear]
#19112491 - 11/09/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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iPear said: ....After I saw it I started researching and I guess since I'm a panic-prone person who freaks out easily I started reading about things like depersonalization. I'm not sure if it's just in my head or not, but either way I'm being affected badly.
I'm not saying you're not experiencing what you say you are...but I bring up the question to you of why do YOU think you are experiencing this sense of depersonalization?
Do you think it's from the little bit of salvia you smoked? Or do you think being depressed over the years is just really starting get to you?...or something else?...
Please don't take this part the wrong way, but from you describing your self as "panic prone" and "freaks out easily", and some other parts of your post, seems like you might have some hypercondriac tendencies. Again, don't take that the wrong way, I'm just throwing my 2 cents out there from an outside perspective.
I don't know your family/living situation....but it sounds like what you're going through is just a part of life, part of growing up, you're still young. From reading your post, there are aspects that remind me a lot of my self when I was around that age, and my self in general. I went through a period of deep depression in my later teen years and early 20s, I had bouts of depersonalization and feeling dull & detached (though I've always been really introspective, an observer of the world more so than a participant, always in my own head, but this was a whole other level of being "detached")....and I still have those days or periods of feeling down, but now I'm getting into my late 20s and I learned A LOT about my self between the ages of 21 and 25, which has helped tremendously, and I learned to deal with the low points of life a bit better.
It takes effort, some understanding of ones self, and time is just as important, to pull ones self out of a funk.
Feel free to send me a private message on here if you ever need to talk to someone and get things out, about anything. You said you don't really have anyone to talk to or open up to, I know how that goes and I know how that feels, I can relate to that, it's a shitty feeling. So really, send me a message if you need to dude!...I know it's just words on a screen and I'm just some random from a discussion forum, but getting your thoughts and what not out there, letting all that shit on your mind flow out and receiving some input back can help a lot!

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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: Eric573]
#19112562 - 11/09/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eric573 said: Salvia for me is nothing like weed. Don't mess around with that stuff unless you're prepared to shit your pants.
...and yea, iPear, salvia isn't even the slightest bit close to being similar to cannabis. It's actually not even all that similar to the other "classic" psychedelics like mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, & DMT.
Salvia's mechanism of action, and the effects & experience salvia tends to give, is quite different from all those. In my experience with it, it is by far the most bizarre, most disorienting/confusing, more unpleasant psychedelic I have done (and I've done my fair share ). Most of my experiences with salvia have NOT been pleasant or enjoyable what so ever, I mean psychedelics aren't suppose to be a pleasant or smooth experience anyways (though they can be), but salvia is one that tends to rarely induce a pleasant or enjoyable experience in anyone...
I do find the experiences from salvia to be very interesting and intriguing, but not the slightest bit of "fun" or "joy" is had.
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: openmind]
#19112611 - 11/09/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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openmind said:
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iPear said: ....After I saw it I started researching and I guess since I'm a panic-prone person who freaks out easily I started reading about things like depersonalization. I'm not sure if it's just in my head or not, but either way I'm being affected badly.
I'm not saying you're not experiencing what you say you are...but I bring up the question to you of why do YOU think you are experiencing this sense of depersonalization?
Do you think it's from the little bit of salvia you smoked? Or do you think being depressed over the years is just really starting get to you?...or something else?...
Please don't take this part the wrong way, but from you describing your self as "panic prone" and "freaks out easily", and some other parts of your post, seems like you might have some hypercondriac tendencies. Again, don't take that the wrong way, I'm just throwing my 2 cents out there from an outside perspective.
I don't know your family/living situation....but it sounds like what you're going through is just a part of life, part of growing up, you're still young. From reading your post, there are aspects that remind me a lot of my self when I was around that age, and my self in general. I went through a period of deep depression in my later teen years and early 20s, I had bouts of depersonalization and feeling dull & detached (though I've always been really introspective, an observer of the world more so than a participant, always in my own head, but this was a whole other level of being "detached")....and I still have those days or periods of feeling down, but now I'm getting into my late 20s and I learned A LOT about my self between the ages of 21 and 25, which has helped tremendously, and I learned to deal with the low points of life a bit better.
It takes effort, some understanding of ones self, and time is just as important, to pull ones self out of a funk.
Feel free to send me a private message on here if you ever need to talk to someone and get things out, about anything. You said you don't really have anyone to talk to or open up to, I know how that goes and I know how that feels, I can relate to that, it's a shitty feeling. So really, send me a message if you need to dude!...I know it's just words on a screen and I'm just some random from a discussion forum, but getting your thoughts and what not out there, letting all that shit on your mind flow out and receiving some input back can help a lot!

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Thank you for the kind words. I probably am a bit of a periodical hypochondriac. I truly think that this is all in my head.. but then again why did I see my book breathing?
I'm feeling better right now, but I fear this feeling is fleeting. Hopefully time truly does heal all, I'm counting on it.. and again your post has helped me. Thank you.
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: iPear]
#19112816 - 11/10/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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As far as the book breathing....perceptions aren't always consistent , things appear to you depending on how you perceive them to be. You just so happened to perceive the book as "breathing" for a moment there.
It sounds like you are still relatively new to altered states of consciousness....So I'm assuming you've recently been doing some reading & research into stuff that relates to those sorts of things...Things like visuals, psychedelics and their effects, and what ever it is that you think you might "have" or might be going through.
So I think you very well just might be more aware of your own visual perception of the world...and you're noticing or paying attention to subtle things in a somewhat different way. Things that could be perceived as "breathing" or moving slightly, you notice this possible perception and then solidify it into your reality.
...if that makes any sense to you . Just a random speculation I had.
Why does this "breathing" of the book concern you though? It's nothing to be worried about...and I highly doubt the salvia has anything to do with that, so much doubt that I'll just go ahead and say it had nothing to do with you seeing that "breathing" .
Even before I took my first psychedelic I had an interesting visual perception of the world....now I pretty much constantly have mild but very apparent "visuals" of things breathing, shifting, layering, etc. I think it's simply because I am more aware of and noticing subtle patterns and form to things, my perception isn't so "concrete" and fixed as it used to be, so it has become a bit more common for me to perceive certain things as being "animated" and moving in one way or another .
Kinda reminds me of a quote by Rumi....
“Every tree and plant in the meadow seemed to be dancing, those which average eyes would see as fixed and still” -Rumi
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: iPear]
#19113092 - 11/10/13 02:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what you were looking at but I highly doubt ANYBODY would say salvia is like a weed high cuz it's not. The breathing of the book doesn't sound like it would be from salvia because you really didn't even get the full experience from what I see. Were things breathing on the salvia trips?
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: iPear]
#19113212 - 11/10/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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iPear said: Does anyone have anything to say that can make me feel better? I've never been so depressed. It's as if I'm void of all pleasure and emotion. I can't stop thinking about suicide. I can't explain how depressed I am, please help.. I can't even cry but I wish I could. Please help.. I'm going to self medicate with weed probably for the rest of my life. It's the only thing that I think will help. I'm definitely going to a psychologist though, I don't think therapy will do jackshit but maybe big pharma's rack of medications will make life bearable. That's all I want.
It's like my mind is FORCING me to realize how stupid life is. How you wake up early and work, for no reason. I'm overwhelmed by the hopelessness. Someone help.. =\
I experienced a similar problem although mine was directly caused by smoking weed. I would feel like in a dream state, and feel like i was trapped in my own head, it really fucking sucked although mine only lasted about 3 days, I've tried weed several more times afterward and every time the next day i would feel spaced out and uncomfortable, but never as bad a s the first because now i can control it better.
The problem is caused by anxiety, the only way to cure it is to move on and stop focusing on it, if you just forget it the anxiety will go and therefor the derealisiation will go as well. I don't reccomend spending anymore time on the internet researching it because that just makes you read all the horror storys about people who have it for 20 years and shit.
Trust me, stay off the weed, spend more time with your friends, less time on the internet, and try to forget about the derealisation and it will be gone within a week
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: Eric573]
#19113252 - 11/10/13 04:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eric573 said: Salvia for me is nothing like weed. Don't mess around with that stuff unless you're prepared to shit your pants.
True, its usually scary... do it rarely
Unless you are an experienced psychonaut
Salvia gives me good mood, makes me notice beauty, and sometimes my problems are clear afterwards also it gives intense dreams, sometimes several LDs in a night
or maybe it changed nothing :-) , usually already in good mood dreams it definitely change, very intense sometimes and very good dream recall
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: lessismore]
#19113259 - 11/10/13 04:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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But I would recommend LSD if you are depressed, not salvia
getting good mood from salvia is not really something I would count on
LSD is pretty good as a mood lifter, almost permanent mood lift after good trips for me
if I could recommend one drug to anybody it would be LSD it is the best drug I ever tried, and only drug I would want to do
I was depressed before LSD, not anymore
mushrooms is a bit more of a game... you have to take extra care of set,setting,dose with them
Edited by lessismore (11/10/13 04:10 AM)
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: lessismore]
#19113281 - 11/10/13 04:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had depression from 12 to 25 , before trying LSD
no depression for 3 years now, it helped me make vital life changes
if you count depression as forgetting yourself, your love for everything incl yourself
was careless about myself before trying it, and no appreciation/joy in life working studying sleeping for many years, only activity , sometimes rarely an extra activity
now I love every part of myself, everything I see, the rain that rains, the sun that shines, the beautiful flower in my garden, everyone as myself, the food that I eat, the clothes I wear, nature, my houseplants / pets etc. ;-) ... and LSD, but its usually a rare thing for me to find it, hard to find, maybe 1 time a year max it helped me accept myself/death too, and accept everything , because I believe in a reason for everything, no coincidences helped me find my connection with myself,nature and god , and what I value/love in life, my true values in life
peace
Edited by lessismore (11/10/13 04:41 AM)
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: Deathcore]
#19114121 - 11/10/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OP, I tried Salvia when I was mildly depressed as well, and it helped me A LOT. I can't recommend it to you, as in, tell you to go have a proper sally trip, because I don't know you or your situation, and I'm not a doctor nor a shaman. But I can tell you that for me it worked and it worked well.
Half-trips like you describe here didn't do much for me, that's just an uncomfortable feeling. But if you break all the way through and teleport, transform, then you'll come back a lot more loose, amused and engaged with your world, which is incompatible with depression.
Use my guide if you try it again, make sure you do all of those things there, and for that matter see how many you didn't do the first time around. If you suspect you have some actual neurological issues, then by all means DON'T use Salvia and psychedelics in general. Quote:
Deathcore said: ive never tried salvia but it seems very very satanic..or demonic..or something..
it goes from awesome to horrifying..
Dude you're talking about things you have no idea about. Not cool.
Most people filming salvia trips for youtube are at least a bit retarded, ranging to completely retarded. Notable exceptions to this rule is of course Eric, your host. He rules. Salvia needs very low light levels and a quiet setting to work right. Doing it the way you see it on youtube is like injecting weed into your eyeball, then saying weed is evil. Use it right, then it's awesome.
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For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: Spacerific]
#19114488 - 11/10/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You gotta smoke it in a bong. It you rolled it up it doesn't work. It doesn't work to well in a pipe either because you need to inhale it all in one really big hit. It's nothing like weed at all. I really dislike salvia.
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Re: I smoked less than 0.1g of salvia 10X, didn't even trip, but feel really depressed now [Re: PurpleHaze147]
#19115780 - 11/10/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I actually agree with the above comments. You should go for it. A medium sized pipe works fine if you pack, torch, and hold well.
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