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Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro?
    #19110756 - 11/09/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, so I live in South Africa. Morning Glories AND ALL LSA preparations are 100% legal here. I checked the actual drug act. It isn't listed. Mescaline, and all preps associated are illegal though. I love cactus. I will never stop growing it because I LOOOOOVE what it does to me. But I have to stop taking it. Because, even though the law is full of shit, I am trying my very best to live according to God's will. He doesn't particularly like it when you break laws that don't go directly against his will. Sadly, while he has no problem with Cactus and while it is totally Kosher and everything, the law doesn't like it when we blend it up and drink it. I don't have a direct order to drink cactus juice either... I kinda wish I did, because then I would have an excuse and a good reason to break the law. 'It feels real awesome and helps me in many ways' isn't a good reason, lets face it. So, I'm going to continue growing it so that I have one hell of a supply once this bullshit law is no more. If the bullshit law doesn't go away... Fuckit, I don't know, all I know is that I cannot abandon something that has this much beauty to it.


But, LSA is totally 1000% legal. (YAY.) And also 100% kosher. (DOUBLE yay!)

So, I kinda want to know what are the effects and side effects of LSA. How far can you go before negative physical effects (other than nausea, I can handle raw blended cactus, and LOTS of it) become a problem? Can I get to the visual intensity of 4 pounds of cactus without more problems than what 4 pounds of cactus will cause?

Also, I hear it makes you tired. In what way? I don't mind that, actually. I love how much energy and motivation cactus gives me, but it actually makes me lose out on trips a lot, because I'm far too busy doing some kind of chore or something to enjoy the 'trip' parts of it. Heck, it makes chores amazing, especially anything that pleases the senses. But, it seems that the visual aspect of the trip only captures my attention by the end, and only if I sit still. Ain't happening. I'm hyper as it is. At least cactus helps me channel that energy some place useful, but I don't necessarily want a 'useful' drug as much any more. I want to trip. I want to trip for tripping's sake, because tripping to do chores seems a bit... I don't know, not quite the point, now is it?

If I don't sit still, the trip goes 'away', till I sit still. On cactus, I can only sit still 8-10 hours in. Then I get my most intense visuals, more often than not. Especially if it just got dark.

Also, how long till you can fall asleep? I can't go to sleep at 4pm or some stupid time, it fucks with my cycle, but dosing large during the day is also kinda prohibitive...

I've got 4-5 pounds of blended cactus left, and I'm going to use it, law or no law. Fuckit, it is no longer a 'preparation' when it is in my body, now is it? Heck, it's illegal till I actually eat it, lol.

I know there are many RC's that are legal and that I can use, but I don't like chemicals. Sorcery = pharmakeia, and I've only had bad experience (long term) with any man made chemical/purified extract as fun as it may be in the short term. (Heck, I haven't tried MDMA or LSD, but DMT was a fuckup, and pharma's fucked me up.) God made plants for medicine, IMHO.


(In any case, please ignore all religious rambling, and just focus on the LSA vs Cactus side effects please.)


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: The Centre]
    #19110764 - 11/09/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've had a mixed bag with my LSA experimentation. Done it 4 or 5 times. 2 of the times I got sick/nauseous to the point that it really sucked.

2 times I got some surprisingly strong open eye visuals. Stuck was wavy as shit. Waving all over the damn place.

the last time I only got a pretty intense body high. Which I also got to some extent during the more visual trips before.


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: The Centre]
    #19110850 - 11/09/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck the law.  Stick with cactus.  Follow San Pedro's will.  In high school, I chewed up morning glory seeds a few times. My experience was that LSA wasn't that impressive. But, maybe if you do an extraction it is better.:shrug:


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19110859 - 11/09/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Cactus is the king :smile: and fuck the law. Nazi germany had some lovely "laws".


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: Fungi]
    #19111026 - 11/09/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah moral people don't follow laws they think for themselves and follow justice..not laws. And fuck God. Fucking dumbass fairy tale.


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19112812 - 11/10/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah moral people don't follow laws they think for themselves and follow justice..not laws. And fuck God. Fucking dumbass fairy tale.




I didn't ask for people to tell me what to believe here. I've already made up my mind. So please, refrain. Saying 'F-God' to me is very disrespectful. I don't go around saying 'fuck Dawkins' to people who like his theories. I don't go around saying 'fuck Buddha' to Buddhists, that would be beyond disrespectful, even though I have a totally different point of view.

Also, as I said, it's a bullshit law, but it doesn't go directly against my beliefs and religion, so I will follow it, kinda like taxes. Once a law crosses the line where it gets in the way of me practicing my faith, or if it becomes immoral to follow the law (like quite a few that I decide to give the finger) then I will no longer follow it. It isn't illegal to grow San Pedro, so I won't stop growing it. That way, if and when it does either become legal, or when I get orders from a higher authority to use it, I can.

I have a legal option, and I want to know what kind of side effects and other subjective effects I can expect.

Also, I don't want to know if Cactus is better. I already KNOW it is. I just want to know what I can expect from morning glories, and how the negative effects compare.


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: The Centre]
    #19112833 - 11/10/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mescaline and LSA don't compare
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Just do the mescaline while you plant the morning glories :wink:


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: koinkedink]
    #19112921 - 11/10/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What you put in your body is a personal choice, so long as you or it does not harm anyone else, I think most religions will agree on that. Alcohol does more damage than all drugs combined and it's legal across the west.

Do what feels morally right, not what the law states. Also please don't knock one's faith in God.

PS enjoy the cacti, it's pure bliss.


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: Fungi]
    #19113089 - 11/10/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

oh get over the whole fuck god thing.

Getting offended over words is the biggest waste of time everrr.


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19113145 - 11/10/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

LSA is a wonderful psychedelic. My second favorite. High doses are better. Then at least you get your puking-up-nasty-shit-for-fifteen-minutes worth.


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: healing]
    #19113210 - 11/10/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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LSA is a wonderful psychedelic. My second favorite. High doses are better. Then at least you get your puking-up-nasty-shit-for-fifteen-minutes worth.




Ok, finally someone who doesn't just say 'eat cactus'.

I love cactus. I'm eating that which I've already prepared, as it is already illegal in the form I have it and there is no way I'm throwing it away, as it isn't illegal to ingest. I will then have to wait for the rest to grow anyway. I can get Morning glory seeds easy enough for cheap enough. I will be using that as my main psychedelic for a while ANYWAY, because cactus takes a long time. Even if I could just say 'fuck the law' I will need to wait a good two or more years before it will be worth it to chop down again, and the longer I end up waiting the more I will have to work with. I have a feeling that all plant based medicine will either be banned, or legalized. All drugs are also legal here if prescribed by a health practitioner. (ALL.) So, if I make friends with a doctor, and he is nice enough to write a prescription, it's legal again.

Also, to me, it is a moral question in the first place. I don't NEED cactus, I WANT it, and breaking the law for a selfish indulgence goes against my morals. If some good came out of it for anybody but me, it is a different story. But my reasons for eating cactus is 100% selfish, and I don't live on my own and thus I'm also implicating others here, so it goes against quite a few morals to have the stuff in a processed form where others I care about also reside. It doesn't just put me in risk. I cannot make that decision for others, and even if they are OK with it, I don't want to put others in risk because of stuff that I alone enjoy.

LSA doesn't put them at risk, it isn't against the law, and it gives me an option.

I know they aren't the same. I want to know how they differ, and what the morning glories have to offer.

Also, I'd like to know the duration of the physical negative effects, their nature, and how much worse it gets as the dosage gets upped.


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: healing]
    #19113226 - 11/10/13 03:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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LSA is a wonderful psychedelic. My second favorite. High doses are better. Then at least you get your puking-up-nasty-shit-for-fifteen-minutes worth.



if thats his second favorite he probably has only tried one other. :rofl:


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19113311 - 11/10/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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LSA is a wonderful psychedelic. My second favorite. High doses are better. Then at least you get your puking-up-nasty-shit-for-fifteen-minutes worth.



if thats his second favorite he probably has only tried one other. :rofl:





I don't know... I personally despise mushrooms. I don't like what it does to my thought processes. Mescaline is and probably always will be my favorite, and I don't like man made substances so I never tried LSD or MDMA, even though I'm sure I'd like them.

I'm curious, what where the other ones you have tried?


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: The Centre]
    #19113353 - 11/10/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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LSA is a wonderful psychedelic. My second favorite. High doses are better. Then at least you get your puking-up-nasty-shit-for-fifteen-minutes worth.



if thats his second favorite he probably has only tried one other. :rofl:





I don't know... I personally despise mushrooms. I don't like what it does to my thought processes. Mescaline is and probably always will be my favorite, and I don't like man made substances so I never tried LSD or MDMA, even though I'm sure I'd like them.

I'm curious, what where the other ones you have tried?



LSD, mescaline, mushrooms, a couple RC's like 25-i. I think thats all for psychedelics.

All absolutely beautiful in their own way.


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19113362 - 11/10/13 05:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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LSA is a wonderful psychedelic. My second favorite. High doses are better. Then at least you get your puking-up-nasty-shit-for-fifteen-minutes worth.



if thats his second favorite he probably has only tried one other. :rofl:





I don't know... I personally despise mushrooms. I don't like what it does to my thought processes. Mescaline is and probably always will be my favorite, and I don't like man made substances so I never tried LSD or MDMA, even though I'm sure I'd like them.

I'm curious, what where the other ones you have tried?



LSD, mescaline, mushrooms, a couple RC's like 25-i. I think thats all for psychedelics.

All absolutely beautiful in their own way.




DMT. Salvia. Weed. Bufotenin. Nutmeg oil. Elemi oil... there are more...


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: The Centre]
    #19115197 - 11/10/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, I wouldn't call all these psychedelics, but I've done the following (in order of which gave me the best experiences.)

Mescaline
Weed
Shrooms (One magical experience, and it went downhill from there)
DMT and Salvia. (The only time I did Salvia was a breakthrough dose of 20x with a breakthrough dose of Changa. Yes, at the same time. The other times I did DMT it was all pure crystal mixed with pure harmala's, at ayahuasca sized doses, but vaped.)
Amanita Muscaria, both smoked and eaten. I liked smoked more, as a weed streatcher. Eaten produced a total mind-body disconnection, which I HATE. (This is the one thing I don't like about normal shrooms either.)
Nutmeg. (3 day dissociative flu.)

DMT was just too fast, and the Salvia DMT combo was confusing.

Cactus is the winner, hands down. If laws don't change by the time I've got a handful of doses on my hands, I'll probably go on a binge...


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: The Centre]
    #19115211 - 11/10/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sad that the mushrooms turned on you. They did the same to me for almost a year. I'm almost certain now that it was because I stopped respecting them and their magical powers.


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19115546 - 11/10/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sad that the mushrooms turned on you. They did the same to me for almost a year. I'm almost certain now that it was because I stopped respecting them and their magical powers.




I think that is what happened to me too. BUT, the ones that I found where awesome where naturally grown, hand picked and preserved fresh in honey. The ones that fucked me over where dried shrooms that where grown in a box.

Also, my set and setting played a MASSIVE role. I also had to turn away from everything from shrooms to even slightly potent weed for 2 years after one HELLUVA dmt trip. 50mg pure harmala with 50mg clear as can be DMT. Held in for 30 seconds per hit, eliminated in 2 hits, the first one probably getting 3/4 of it. Terrence with his 3 tokes for a 35mg-50mg... HAHA. He didn't have a big wave surfer's lung capacity, that is for sure. Too much daily weed smoking by the time he got to DMT, me thinks. By the time I blew out the first hit, I was real glad someone else was holding the lighter and pipe. Apparently no smoke came out when I blew out, my lungs absorbed each and every drop.

I was gone for an hour, and tripped like 4g shrooms for 3 hours after. For a long time after, 1g of mushies, half a toke of DMT, and potent weed all put me into an unhandleable super-trip.


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: The Centre]
    #19115557 - 11/10/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've heard that they can combine very nicely.


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Re: Ok, so how does the side effects of Morning Glories compare to San Pedro? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19115628 - 11/10/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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LSA is a wonderful psychedelic. My second favorite. High doses are better. Then at least you get your puking-up-nasty-shit-for-fifteen-minutes worth.



if thats his second favorite he probably has only tried one other. :rofl:




Lol. Nah, I've take mushies, LSD, LSA, salvia, and cannabis.


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