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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: OZA]
    #19109943 - 11/09/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Like batman , well he tries to never kill anyone

Or Ironman who just thinks there is always another way

I would imagine a Buddhist wouldnt kill the guy to maintain his path and not perpetuate violence


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: OZA]
    #19109953 - 11/09/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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There are many different interpretations of the 8 fold path, but my understanding of it means that one who follows it would not kill another regardless of the circumstances.




Extenuating circumstances, i.e. self-defense. And that's just one possible example.


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I'm saying your question is invalid because what's justified to you could be cold blooded murder to the next guy.





Nonsense.


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: s240779]
    #19109959 - 11/09/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you even 8fold path bro?


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? (moved) [Re: s240779]
    #19109984 - 11/09/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This thread was moved from The Pub.

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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? (moved) [Re: Chairman Meow]
    #19109994 - 11/09/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, sadsappysucker.


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: s240779] * 1
    #19109995 - 11/09/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OZA said:
I'm saying your question is invalid because what's justified to you could be cold blooded murder to the next guy.





Nonsense.



Nonsense?
Why were there thousands of Islamic extremists parading while family, friends, and the nation overall was weeping on 9/11?
Why did America think napalm and agent orange was justified as Vietnamese babies were permanently deformed? Do you think the baby's parents thought it was just?

You're not considering the bigger picture and that's one of the ultimate flaws to have. There exists 12 jurors for a reason. The word "just" has plasticity and you're not realizing that. Your parents, education, and environment raise you with different values than a boy being raised in an Al Qaida dominated territory. What that boy thinks is a "good" thing to do would, I'm sure, be seen as a despicable act by you.


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: OZA]
    #19110003 - 11/09/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He isnt asking about the big picture


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: Kalypto]
    #19110007 - 11/09/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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He isnt asking about the big picture



He's asking about what's just. I told him the Buddhists committing these acts in Sri Lanka see their actions as just.


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: OZA]
    #19110010 - 11/09/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Why were there thousands of Islamic extremists parading while family, friends, and the nation overall was weeping on 9/11?
Why did America think napalm and agent orange was justified as Vietnamese babies were permanently deformed?




Allow me to stop you right there. Both those examples involve killing collateral people. Whereas a human trafficker is the direct cause of a situation -- the source. Big difference. I hate it when people pull the shit you're pulling. I think it's called a straw man.


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: s240779]
    #19110023 - 11/09/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Killing a human trafficker would warrant sympathy from a juror, but not a not-guilty plea. It's still a wrong people act in some people's eyes.. Anyway I may be going too deep so I'll just leave it there. Sorry


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: OZA]
    #19110033 - 11/09/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Killing a human trafficker would warrant sympathy from a juror, but not a not-guilty plea.




I don't think legal systems have any bearing on my question. Buddhist doctrine is above the legal system -- to a Buddhist -- the question is how does this question hold up to Buddhist doctrine?


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: s240779]
    #19110038 - 11/09/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Killing a human trafficker would warrant sympathy from a juror, but not a not-guilty plea.




I don't think legal systems have any bearing on my question. Buddhist doctrine is above the legal system -- to a Buddhist -- the question is how does this question hold up to Buddhist doctrine?



Thank you


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: s240779]
    #19110064 - 11/09/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OZA said:
Killing a human trafficker would warrant sympathy from a juror, but not a not-guilty plea.




I don't think legal systems have any bearing on my question. Buddhist doctrine is above the legal system -- to a Buddhist -- the question is how does this question hold up to Buddhist doctrine?



Buddhist doctrine dictates that one should not kill.


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19110070 - 11/09/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Like I said, there are extenuating circumstances, such as self defense. Also, Thich Quang Duc, burning himself to death. I'm under the impression that the rules are more like guidelines. Strict, but not "irreversible."


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: s240779]
    #19110076 - 11/09/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So what are you asking? I keep trying to answer your question and you argue about it. Do you actually have a question, or are you just looking for a debate?


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: Kalypto]
    #19110089 - 11/09/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I would commit murder If I knew it would protect the people I love

But never out of my own hate



Word.

It's totally contrary to basic natural principles, imo, to not self-defend in order to preserve your life or the lives of those who are important to you. 

Snails and slugs do it.  Elephants do it.  All of nature's critters do it.

The hard part for human beings is in the discerning.

No sane human being kills solely out of anger, when there is no threat to his life or the lives of those important to him.


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19110092 - 11/09/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think I've been clear about my question.


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: s240779]
    #19110110 - 11/09/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm pretty sure there is murder in Buddhist populations.

As far as serious religious devotees it seems less likely that they would commit premeditated murder than a monotheist as their religion condemns violence whereas the monotheistic religions directly contribute to violence.


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: OZA]
    #19110133 - 11/09/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OZA said:
Look at what's going on in Sri Lanka. Yes a "true" Buddhist would commit murder. No religion is absolutely free of bad people.





I've posted dozens of links over the years to articles showing buddhists
killing for religion, they've attacked and killed both christians and
muslims, even monks were involved in the warring


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Re: Would a Buddhist ever commit murder? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19110282 - 11/09/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There was once a mass killing of Hindus and the sect being killed off believed so strongly against violence that they never formed a military to defend themselves.

Thus spawned the Sikhs


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