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s240779

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Why doesn't Google use heuristics to prevent piracy?
#19109332 - 11/09/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This means preventing certain queries from going through. Blocking results from torrent sites, for example. Another example is blocking searches like [book name] pdf or [name of software] rar or [name of movie] avi. These are all examples of searches that are specific requests for obtaining copyrighted materials. Torrent sites have argued that they're not breaking the law because they're not hosting the files, they're just providing an index for the files and this argument has not held up in court, so why doesn't Google get in trouble for providing and index that indexes the indexes? It's the same thing, just with an extra layer.
I don't understand how Google can't be held responsible for this. You might say, well this may compromise the integrity of the search engine overall. However, I think there are certain types of searches that are dead obvious attempts at copyright violation.
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psi
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Da2ra said: I don't understand how Google can't be held responsible for this.
Google has a gigantic legal budget for one thing, it's not exactly an easy target. They also don't specialize in torrents for pirated movies etc like the torrent sites do. It's much easier to argue that a torrent site is profiting mostly from piracy than it is to make the same argument for Google.
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s240779

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Re: a~ [Re: psi]
#19109429 - 11/09/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, but I think that Google could very easily prevent its search engine from being used for at least a few things. Presumably they're legally and morally obligated to do so, in the grand scheme of things.
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What are you a pig or something?
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s240779

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robbyberto said: What are you a pig or something?
Google is a giant, publicly traded company, so it makes one wonder.
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Ok here is why: it's not as profitable.
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robbyberto said: Ok here is why: it's not as profitable.
Bingo.
http://www.google.com/explanation.html
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If you recently used Google to search for the word “Jew,” you may have seen results that were very disturbing. We assure you that the views expressed by the sites in your results are not in any way endorsed by Google. We’d like to explain why you’re seeing these results when you conduct this search.
A site’s ranking in Google’s search results relies heavily on computer algorithms using thousands of factors to calculate a page’s relevance to a given query. Sometimes subtleties of language cause anomalies to appear that cannot be predicted. A search for “Jew” brings up one such unexpected result.
If you use Google to search for “Judaism,” “Jewish” or “Jewish people,” the results are informative and relevant. So why is a search for “Jew” different? One reason is that the word “Jew” is often used in an anti-Semitic context. Jewish organizations are more likely to use the word “Jewish” when talking about members of their faith. The word has become somewhat charged linguistically, as noted on websites devoted to Jewish topics such as these:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/jonah081500.asp
Someone searching for information on Jewish people would be more likely to enter terms like “Judaism,” “Jewish people,” or “Jews” than the single word “Jew” In fact, prior to this incident, the word “Jew” only appeared about once in every 10 million search queries. Now it’s likely that the great majority of searches on Google for “Jew” are by people who have heard about this issue and want to see the results for themselves.
The beliefs and preferences of those who work at Google, as well as the opinions of the general public, do not determine or impact our search results. Individual citizens and public interest groups do periodically urge us to remove particular links or otherwise adjust search results. Although Google reserves the right to address such requests individually, Google views the comprehensiveness of our search results as an extremely important priority. Accordingly, we do not remove a page from our search results simply because its content is unpopular or because we receive complaints concerning it. We will, however, remove pages from our results if we believe the page (or its site) violates our Webmaster Guidelines, if we believe we are required to do so by law, or at the request of the webmaster who is responsible for the page.
We apologize for the upsetting nature of the experience you had using Google and appreciate your taking the time to inform us about it.
Sincerely, The Google Team
P.S. You may be interested in some additional information the Anti-Defamation League has posted about this issue at http://www.adl.org/rumors/google_search_rumors.asp. In addition, we call your attention to Google’s search results on this topic.
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No. Blocking illegal downloading is totally different from results from disagreeable sources.
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Da2ra said: No. Blocking illegal downloading is totally different from results from disagreeable sources.
Google is to now decide for you what sources are agreeable and which are not?
This same hypocritical company that you're complaining about in the OP? The same company that has the mantra "do no evil" when they constantly mock it with policies that trample upon our dignity and rights? They deserve no respect, they have done nothing to enhance your life. Nothing that any other search engine couldn't have provided had you not been programmed since birth to be a Googler.
This company has simply become a plague on us, and have coasted on other peoples creations the entirety of their existence. What exactly does Google create? Their top "products" are completely auto pilot services essentially. They curate data, they display data, they harvest juicier data to sell it to other people who do the work in turning the data into money. The majority of advertisements you've seen on the web aren't managed by a Google advertisement rep. They're managed by a third party, someone like you or me, that is paying Google for the data and access to the eyeballs. Access to the eyeballs means that a webmaster has put up a Google adsense script on their website, and the third party advertiser is paying for his ad to be on that persons website for that traffic to see. Do you see how little Google actually does at all?
Google news - Curating website content that other people write.
Gmail - Absolutely no maintenance needed, access to what's up with the hive mind.
Chrome - Your entire browsing history attached to your specific IP / name for eternity. And it's just a simple browser... very minimal to maintain / update. Firefox does this already as non-proit open source company.
Youtube - Completely user generated content. This thing racks in billions of profits but requires handfuls of staff to manage.
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Da2ra said: No. Blocking illegal downloading is totally different from results from disagreeable sources.
Google is to now decide for you what sources are agreeable and which are not?
What? Clearly the thread topic is illegal downloading. Your first post in this thread spoke of religious defamation sites coming up in Google. And I was implying that there's no justification to remove such links, but there is justification to remove links that violate copyright (in fact they do do it, but only by request. seems more logical to red flag entire torrent sites.)
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Da2ra said: Yeah, but I think that Google could very easily prevent its search engine from being used for at least a few things. Presumably they're legally and morally obligated to do so, in the grand scheme of things.
Why the fuck should they be? They don't make the website, they just let you find it.Quote:
Thulean said:
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Da2ra said: No. Blocking illegal downloading is totally different from results from disagreeable sources.
Google is to now decide for you what sources are agreeable and which are not?
Uhh, no. He's saying there's a difference between blocking sites that offer blatantly illegal services and blocking sites that are "disagreeable" (likely because one of the reasons is it's not up to Google to decide what is or is not disagreeable).
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Re: Why doesn't Google use heuristics to prevent piracy? [Re: s240779]
#19111653 - 11/09/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Da2ra said: This means preventing certain queries from going through. Blocking results from torrent sites, for example. Another example is blocking searches like [book name] pdf or [name of software] rar or [name of movie] avi. These are all examples of searches that are specific requests for obtaining copyrighted materials. Torrent sites have argued that they're not breaking the law because they're not hosting the files, they're just providing an index for the files and this argument has not held up in court, so why doesn't Google get in trouble for providing and index that indexes the indexes? It's the same thing, just with an extra layer.
I don't understand how Google can't be held responsible for this. You might say, well this may compromise the integrity of the search engine overall. However, I think there are certain types of searches that are dead obvious attempts at copyright violation.
Google is a search engine, it should not be responsible for what people find with it, they just search nothing else.
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Re: Why doesn't Google use heuristics to prevent piracy? [Re: NotTheDevil]
#19111661 - 11/09/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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On the flip side... should they block websites that offer child pornography?
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Re: Why doesn't Google use heuristics to prevent piracy? [Re: jewunit] 3
#19112573 - 11/09/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Blaming google for helping people search for kiddie porn in 2013 makes about as much sense as blaming cars for helping people search for kiddie porn in 1983. Google is a tool. You don't say knives shouldn't be sharp just because people get stabbed.
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Re: Why doesn't Google use heuristics to prevent piracy? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#19112589 - 11/09/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Why doesn't Google use heuristics to prevent piracy? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#19112617 - 11/09/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: Blaming google for helping people search for kiddie porn in 2013 makes about as much sense as blaming cars for helping people search for kiddie porn in 1983. Google is a tool. You don't say knives shouldn't be sharp just because people get stabbed.
What a simple minded response.
Google has control over what their search engine is used for. They can specifically omit certain things. A knife manufacturer cannot make their knives not work during a murder ( ).
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Re: Why doesn't Google use heuristics to prevent piracy? [Re: s240779] 1
#19112637 - 11/09/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah but I don't want google to be a judge of what we should or shouldn't find anymore than I want knives that tell me what I can cut or cars that tell me where to drive.
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