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my damn dog
    #19109092 - 11/09/13 05:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Im really at a loss as to what to do with my pup. Hes 9 mths old, a datson and silky terrier mix. The little shit wont quit poopin in the house and barking constantly when im not around. For the pooping, which he only does when im not home, Ive tried kennel training(barking) rubbing his nose in it, beating him(discipline, not abuse), outside treatment, less food(not starving) potty pads, the works. The barking idk what to do. I mean im trying to discipline him, but he doesnt do it when im around. Neighbors are pissy and all ready called the cops once. Roomie is flipping shit. Im trying i just dont know what to do anymore.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19109097 - 11/09/13 05:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Shock caller. Stay around if possible when he poops pick him up and bring him outside.....he'll get the picture.
Or go to the vets and get doggy tranqs


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Re: my damn dog [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #19109118 - 11/09/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

1) don't get pets when you can't handle them
2) do some research in proper dog training, maybe on a dog related forum instead of here
3) do you take the dog on walks frequently? does it get enough exercise?


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Re: my damn dog [Re: WindSearcher]
    #19109168 - 11/09/13 06:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

1. Ive trained quite a few pets before, this one is just a punk. Lol
2. Yes im doing and have done that. Just hoping for a outside of the box thot as is prone with this place.
3. Yes i take him for walks. And play in the yard wit him.

I havent thot of a shock collar. Thot like i said, hes a good pup when im around. its when im gone, like at work that he acts up.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: goldcaphunter] * 2
    #19109182 - 11/09/13 06:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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For the pooping, which he only does when im not home, Ive tried kennel training(barking) rubbing his nose in it, beating him(discipline, not abuse), outside treatment, less food(not starving) potty pads, the works. The barking idk what to do.




Hey man. Im a kennel cleaner/vet assistant and ALOOOOT of people deal with these issues, trust me, so dont feel singled out. What I suggest is take him on a good half hour to hour walk before you leave OR as soon as you get up. It'll get all the shit out of him and being that he is a terrier, 45min of walking will wear him the fuck out. lol. so that should help with the barking issue also. The Doc I work with always says that its called |Separation Anxiety|. But you know how doctors are, always putting labels on EVERYTHING. If the walking doesn't help, his next suggestions are to get what is called ClomaCalm. Its pretty much anti anxiety, happy pills, for animals. Hope that helps man.

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Shock caller. Stay around if possible when he poops pick him up and bring him outside.....he'll get the picture.




its COLLAR, and we are talking about a fucking terrier mix, blasphemy.. you don't get a shock collar for house training, you get a shock collar for aggressiveness/disobedient/protection  ...you send 2.0 joules to a terrier and he's going to go into cardiac arrest and have a fucking heart attack.. TRUST ME I breed Doberman Pinschers, thats when they come in handy.

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goldcaphunter said:Or go to the vets and get doggy tranqs



..............really???? lol dont even get me started...yes they have micro tranqs, but it takes mental clarity out of the animal for long term uses.
Goldcap im not insulting your intelligence, being as though I do not know you, but do a little research(and spell check) before you just go around suggesting to electrocute and subdue an animal.. That being said, Respect, and thanks for trying.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: mindOmy]
    #19109220 - 11/09/13 06:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wllk spill AS maney werds wrung! is I plz MTR grammar nazis. Why dont you establish yourself before you start crtisizing peoepels?n
Oh no I misspelled collar wrong because I'm on a tablet...…lets critique him and put him down. Also let's make sure we totally shoot down his advice because I train a totally different type of breed which means I know everything about all dogs.

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Re: my damn dog [Re: goldcaphunter] * 1
    #19109276 - 11/09/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol establish myself..on the internet..ok


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19109285 - 11/09/13 07:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He probably needs more exercise and needs to be walked at a heel to show him who is the alpha.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19109507 - 11/09/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: my damn dog [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19109524 - 11/09/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Giggle_Grower said:rubbing his nose in it, beating him(discipline, not abuse)





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Re: my damn dog [Re: MadSeasonAbove]
    #19109638 - 11/09/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

choke chain. every dog needs one to stat off with


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Re: my damn dog [Re: unknown1123]
    #19109647 - 11/09/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You need some more patience man.

DON'T use a shock collar
DON'T rub the dog nose in shit
DON'T hit the dog, this teaches fear not discipline. You'll end up with a dog that may want to bite you someday.


You need to get the dog on a feeding/potty schedule. Dogs are creatures of habit. Same time every morning, potty-feed-potty. Give the dog a treat everytime it shits outside. Same time every evening, potty, feed, potty. Treats for shitting outside.

*my bad, my reply is intended to op*


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Re: my damn dog [Re: MightyWhite]
    #19109716 - 11/09/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You need some more patience man.

DON'T use a shock collar
DON'T rub the dog nose in shit
DON'T hit the dog, this teaches fear not discipline. You'll end up with a dog that may want to bite you someday.



You need to get the dog on a feeding/potty schedule. Dogs are creatures of habit. Same time every morning, potty-feed-potty. Give the dog a treat everytime it shits outside. Same time every evening, potty, feed, potty. Treats for shitting outside.

*my bad, my reply is intended to op*



I agreed on not using the shock collar, that should only be used in invisible fences to keep the dog from running away.

A dog can only think in terms of the next time it is going to be feed. You need to teach it, better at an early age, what is right and wrong.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: unknown1123]
    #19110779 - 11/09/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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choke chain. every dog needs one to stat off with




Careful now. That is a sentence fragment and is a major infraction on a drug forum 

:imspecial: may inform you...he sure did inform me of my mistake,and of that I shall never forget.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Giggle_Grower] * 1
    #19110876 - 11/09/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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MightyWhite said:
You need some more patience man.

DON'T use a shock collar
DON'T rub the dog nose in shit
DON'T hit the dog, this teaches fear not discipline. You'll end up with a dog that may want to bite you someday.


You need to get the dog on a feeding/potty schedule. Dogs are creatures of habit. Same time every morning, potty-feed-potty. Give the dog a treat everytime it shits outside. Same time every evening, potty, feed, potty. Treats for shitting outside.

*my bad, my reply is intended to op*





This.  Get a bag of those stinky Dog Treats that look like beef jerky, and take the dog out regularly.  When you take him out ask if he wants a treat.  Then when you see him shit or piss, bring him back in and make him sit, then give him the treat. 

Don't give the mutt anything if he didn't use the bathroom.  Pretty soon the dog will associate using the bathroom outside with getting a treat. That mutt will hold his shit in all day so he can get that treat.  It'll start going to the door when it needs to use the bathroom.  It may try to fake it sometimes to get a treat, but don't give one unless it does the job.

Rubbing the dog's nose in shit or beating it makes it bitter and angry.  Positive reinforcement and learning is >> negative reinforcement and learning.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19110882 - 11/09/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

^truth^


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Re: my damn dog [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19111220 - 11/09/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

use both. seeing only the positive makes the negative non existent


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Re: my damn dog [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19111295 - 11/09/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OK, my opinion of the rubbing the dog's nose in shit thing is that it evolved from an actual useful training tool.

When the dog poops anywhere other than where you want him to go, clean it up with a cloth, and place it where he is supposed to go. Next, take him there, let him smell it, and praise or treat him. He'll get the idea pretty quick.

Also, sorry to get on the spelling nazi thing again, but Op, it's your dog, and you should know that it's a dachshund and not a Datsun, lol. That's a japanese pickup truck


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19111372 - 11/09/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: my damn dog [Re: Endure]
    #19111472 - 11/09/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: my damn dog [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19111921 - 11/09/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks all.who replied. Im trying to work with him and be patient with. He does wear a choke collar when i walk him. And ive done the outside treat method. Thats how he came to be a good dog when im around. Hes come a long way from where he was when i first got him 5 mths ago, but seems to have platuead these last 2 mths. He used to chew on everything and get into the trash. No potty habit whatsoever. Doesnt do any of that anymore. I believe the people i got him from didnt care or try to train him at all., so i suppose part of my.problem is  breaking his old habits and making new ones at the same time.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19111933 - 11/09/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yea, give it karate.  i mean, exercise.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: stimpson]
    #19111967 - 11/09/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You need to crate him, whether he barks or not

You're at a point where the dog knows if he shits when you're not around he's not going to get punished. You have to address that before you allow your dog in a situation to shit in the house when he knows there is nothing that is gonna happen to him (in the moment).

Sounds like you have a good and perceptive dog. He notices a pattern, when you're not there he's allowed to shit in the house.

If you really for whatever reason you would really like your dog to never have to be crated. You have to catch him shitting in the act, trying to rub his nose in it probably won't fix it. Assuming you don't do it right after he shits it out, and even then it sounds like you know how to discipline your dog without rubbing his nose in shit and your carpet.

Not to mention 9 months is really young, you're asking a lot of it.

edit - As for ideas to get him to shit in the house, just don't let him out. But again I'd just crate him. Good thing for a dog to be comfortable with.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19112323 - 11/09/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The problem with putting him in the kennel is his barking  get the neighbor pissy and called the cops.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19112394 - 11/09/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The problem with putting him in the kennel is his barking  get the neighbor pissy and called the cops.




You gotta explain to your neighbors that the barking should go away, and that in the end your dog will be much more pliable with this way. They will probably be pissed  either way. But this isn't a problem that's easily solved if the dog knows not to shit when you're around.

You might have shit going on at your house that makes the barking completely unacceptable even in the short term because of police contact. Which obviously I can sympathize with. I guess if you only have a few neighbors go talk to them. Otherwise you could rig up some sound dampening shit where you put his crate.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19112455 - 11/09/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Don't beat your dog dude. You may call it discipline but that dog will end up being afraid of you and emotionally scarred. I have a pit bull and they are a ton of work because of how hyper and aggressive they tend to be but I take him out 6-8 times a day and he is well behaved and doesn't shit in my house. I'm not judging you I'm just stating the facts of what will happen when you use physical violence against a dog as a means of discipline. Expressing dissapointment using a stern voice and demeanor and reinforcing positive behavior with treats and praises is the best way to train a dog. If that fails seek professional help from a trainer. The money is worth it trust me. If you need other tips pm me.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: niteman] * 1
    #19112510 - 11/09/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

dogs are territory creatures. assert that the house is your territory by peeing over all the places he normally poops.
he will then either challenge you for the spot by pooping more or quit in defeat


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Re: my damn dog [Re: niteman]
    #19112521 - 11/09/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't beat your dog dude. You may call it discipline but that dog will end up being afraid of you and emotionally scarred. I have a pit bull and they are a ton of work because of how hyper and aggressive they tend to be but I take him out 6-8 times a day and he is well behaved and doesn't shit in my house. I'm not judging you I'm just stating the facts of what will happen when you use physical violence against a dog as a means of discipline. Expressing dissapointment using a stern voice and demeanor and reinforcing positive behavior with treats and praises is the best way to train a dog. If that fails seek professional help from a trainer. The money is worth it trust me. If you need other tips pm me.




If he has a "hard dog" aka a dog that you can punch square in the head and he will just look at you, sometimes they need a good smack. A really soft dog would act like you beat it if you yelled at it. You only go as far as you need to get a reaction. Shock collars and pinch collars are the same concept, but positive reinforcement isn't exactly how they have done things for millions of years.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19112630 - 11/09/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If your dog barks every time he hears something when you're gone leaving the tv on might help so he just thinks a lot of weird sounds are normal.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19112725 - 11/09/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Actually dogs have only been domesticated to around 30, 000 years and wolves have only been around for around 100, 000 so... yeah. Also just because something has been done for a while doesn't mean its right. I doubt rape and murder has changed all that much. Brutality is brutality in my mind. You are entitled to your own opinion but I strongly suggest the OP takes a less violent approach. If you don't care about the dog enough to refrain from hitting it then maybe a dog is not right for you. There are many traind professionals that can help you with your problem. Oh yeah because a dog has a high pain tolerance (like a pitbull for example) does not make it right.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: niteman]
    #19112817 - 11/10/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok i think the whole beating things is being viewed out of context. Im not full force hitting him. If i do it, i take him to the poop pile, smack his butt a few times, and put him and the poo outside. Im not.like punching him in the head or kicking or chucking him. Beating was definetly a poor choice of words.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: niteman]
    #19112874 - 11/10/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually dogs have only been domesticated to around 30, 000 years and wolves have only been around for around 100, 000 so... yeah. Also just because something has been done for a while doesn't mean its right. I doubt rape and murder has changed all that much. Brutality is brutality in my mind. You are entitled to your own opinion but I strongly suggest the OP takes a less violent approach. If you don't care about the dog enough to refrain from hitting it then maybe a dog is not right for you. There are many traind professionals that can help you with your problem. Oh yeah because a dog has a high pain tolerance (like a pitbull for example) does not make it right.




? If the dog isn't hurt it's not abuse. The point is to get it to mind you

And dogs have been giving each other social ques very similar to things like pinch collars for MILLIONS of years. Not that I see anything wrong with positive reinforcement. But my dog minds me, and I guarantee the animals I have owned are much better behaved than your mutts. Clearly you don't get the concept, negative reinforcement isn't abuse.

And if your mutt is scared of you because you hit it, by definition it is not a hard fucking dog. And you've over done it


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19112897 - 11/10/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ok i think the whole beating things is being viewed out of context. Im not full force hitting him. If i do it, i take him to the poop pile, smack his butt a few times, and put him and the poo outside. Im not.like punching him in the head or kicking or chucking him. Beating was definetly a poor choice of words.



I'm pretty sure it's been shown in studies this doesn't do much to actually make them stop doing it.

They don't don't get why you're hitting them, unless you catch them in the act.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: mindOmy]
    #19112911 - 11/10/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The Doc I work with always says that its called |Separation Anxiety|. But you know how doctors are, always putting labels on EVERYTHING. If the walking doesn't help, his next suggestions are to get what is called ClomaCalm. Its pretty much anti anxiety, happy pills, for animals. Hope that helps man.




Soooo if I tell the vet my doggy gets anxiety I can get these pills?????
Do I have to show proof of the dog to get them?
Answer quick please this is very important.

My dog barks a lot, and I wanna be able to ignore it


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Re: my damn dog [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19112917 - 11/10/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The Doc I work with always says that its called |Separation Anxiety|. But you know how doctors are, always putting labels on EVERYTHING. If the walking doesn't help, his next suggestions are to get what is called ClomaCalm. Its pretty much anti anxiety, happy pills, for animals. Hope that helps man.




Soooo if I tell the vet my doggy gets anxiety I can get these pills?????
Do I have to show proof of the dog to get them?
Answer quick please this is very important.

My dog barks a lot, and I wanna be able to ignore it



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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19113080 - 11/10/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually dogs have only been domesticated to around 30, 000 years and wolves have only been around for around 100, 000 so... yeah. Also just because something has been done for a while doesn't mean its right. I doubt rape and murder has changed all that much. Brutality is brutality in my mind. You are entitled to your own opinion but I strongly suggest the OP takes a less violent approach. If you don't care about the dog enough to refrain from hitting it then maybe a dog is not right for you. There are many traind professionals that can help you with your problem. Oh yeah because a dog has a high pain tolerance (like a pitbull for example) does not make it right.




? If the dog isn't hurt it's not abuse. The point is to get it to mind you

And dogs have been giving each other social ques very similar to things like pinch collars for MILLIONS of years. Not that I see anything wrong with positive reinforcement. But my dog minds me, and I guarantee the animals I have owned are much better behaved than your mutts. Clearly you don't get the concept, negative reinforcement isn't abuse.

And if your mutt is scared of you because you hit it, by definition it is not a hard fucking dog. And you've over done it




First of all I was only distinguishing domesticated dogs from their wild ancestors because although they are related and share many similarities, they are quite different and therefore behave differently from what you would consider a dog. You say you were talking about the pinch collar technique but your comment was misleading if that is all you meant because you were talking about punching dogs in the head I didn't know whether to take you seriously. I also mentioned using a stern voice and body language to assert dominance which FYI has been used for MILLIONS of years by the ancestors of the domesticated dog. I don't see what the miscommunication is though. Any respectable dog trainer or veterinarian would tell you exactly what I am saying. I'm not taking issue with you but with the abuse if animals. If my wife forgets to make dinner do I smack her around to teach her a lesson? Would you like someone using physical violence against you to condition you to be a better person? You may think these are seperate issues and I am overeacting but there are people in this world that believe all life is precious and do not desire to cause pain. Neither of us are going to change each others mind so I'm done.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19113093 - 11/10/13 02:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The Doc I work with always says that its called |Separation Anxiety|. But you know how doctors are, always putting labels on EVERYTHING. If the walking doesn't help, his next suggestions are to get what is called ClomaCalm. Its pretty much anti anxiety, happy pills, for animals. Hope that helps man.




Soooo if I tell the vet my doggy gets anxiety I can get these pills?????
Do I have to show proof of the dog to get them?
Answer quick please this is very important.

My dog barks a lot, and I wanna be able to ignore it




Lol I don't know about taking dog pills man. You may end up with a way shinier coat than you intended


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Re: my damn dog [Re: niteman]
    #19113103 - 11/10/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

DUDE! Theyre for my dog you don't know what ur talking about


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Re: my damn dog [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19113195 - 11/10/13 03:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If I remember correctly these are sometimes prescribed to humans anyways, I might be thinking of the wrong drug, but I don't think so.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19113237 - 11/10/13 03:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah a lot of vetrinary drugs are no different than drugs prescribed to humans. I know lorazepam is one of them.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: mindOmy]
    #19113516 - 11/10/13 07:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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lol establish myself..on the internet..ok




Dude, you've got 10 posts, what are you doing in the Pub?

It sounds to me like your dog has too much pent up energy


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Re: my damn dog [Re: niteman]
    #19114841 - 11/10/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually dogs have only been domesticated to around 30, 000 years and wolves have only been around for around 100, 000 so... yeah. Also just because something has been done for a while doesn't mean its right. I doubt rape and murder has changed all that much. Brutality is brutality in my mind. You are entitled to your own opinion but I strongly suggest the OP takes a less violent approach. If you don't care about the dog enough to refrain from hitting it then maybe a dog is not right for you. There are many traind professionals that can help you with your problem. Oh yeah because a dog has a high pain tolerance (like a pitbull for example) does not make it right.




? If the dog isn't hurt it's not abuse. The point is to get it to mind you

And dogs have been giving each other social ques very similar to things like pinch collars for MILLIONS of years. Not that I see anything wrong with positive reinforcement. But my dog minds me, and I guarantee the animals I have owned are much better behaved than your mutts. Clearly you don't get the concept, negative reinforcement isn't abuse.

And if your mutt is scared of you because you hit it, by definition it is not a hard fucking dog. And you've over done it




First of all I was only distinguishing domesticated dogs from their wild ancestors because although they are related and share many similarities, they are quite different and therefore behave differently from what you would consider a dog. You say you were talking about the pinch collar technique but your comment was misleading if that is all you meant because you were talking about punching dogs in the head I didn't know whether to take you seriously. I also mentioned using a stern voice and body language to assert dominance which FYI has been used for MILLIONS of years by the ancestors of the domesticated dog. I don't see what the miscommunication is though. Any respectable dog trainer or veterinarian would tell you exactly what I am saying. I'm not taking issue with you but with the abuse if animals. If my wife forgets to make dinner do I smack her around to teach her a lesson? Would you like someone using physical violence against you to condition you to be a better person? You may think these are seperate issues and I am overeacting but there are people in this world that believe all life is precious and do not desire to cause pain. Neither of us are going to change each others mind so I'm done.




Look dude, it's a simple concept. You want the dog to associate a certain behavior with a negative consequence. The most direct way to do that is to give him a jolt, pinch, slap or whatever just above his pain threshold. You want him to jump but then come right back and get some positive attention. The goal isn't to beat him into submission, you're confused. Being dominant doesn't fucking matter if the dog isn't convinced you can reach out and touch him


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19115522 - 11/10/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You gots it backwards, bro. You want the dog to associate good behavior with a positive consequence.

Being the dominant animal means being mentally dominant, and if you can't figure out a way to make your dog behave without resorting to violence, then you've failed in that respect.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19115933 - 11/10/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You gots it backwards, bro. You want the dog to associate good behavior with a positive consequence.

Being the dominant animal means being mentally dominant, and if you can't figure out a way to make your dog behave without resorting to violence, then you've failed in that respect.




You can motivate your dog all sorts of ways. If you want him to respect your "rules" when he isn't in your sight, you need to trick him into thinking you can reach out and touch him. Period.

How is he supposed to fix this behavior through positive reinforcement? If he isn't there a positive connotation on being fucking quiet isn't going to help. If he thinks about a pinch collar every time he barks at the neighbor he will remember it.

Clickers/food/ball or whatever motivates your dog positively are great, but I like my dog's to just listen. And to get it that way I have spent a lot of time convincing him that when I speak he NEEDS to listen or there are ALWAYS consequences. Dogs are simple creatures, just don't confuse them or be cruel and they'll be fine.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19116149 - 11/10/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How is he supposed to fix this behavior through positive reinforcement?





Same way you train a person. Dog is good, dog gets praise/extra food. Dog is bad, dog gets AdSeg until he behaves.

Dogs are simple creatures, so it shouldn't take a lot of brainpower to outsmart them.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19116214 - 11/10/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Juicin is correct.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: unknown1123]
    #19116236 - 11/10/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good for him, maybe not so good for his dog.

I've never owned an ill-behaved dog, and I've had some absolute beasts. And I've certainly never had to beat any of them.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19116398 - 11/10/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All my dogs are the most behaved animals I've seen anywhere.

I think you are confused on the usage of beat. We are talking about a light spanking.

I believe in spanking a child, too. Although I must say that I do not have one nor plan to have one in the next 3-6 years. :shrug:


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19117419 - 11/10/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Good for him, maybe not so good for his dog.

I've never owned an ill-behaved dog, and I've had some absolute beasts. And I've certainly never had to beat any of them.




Yes I'm sure they are very responsive when there is something they want more than your affection......Like a sandwich in a kids hand

edit - and just to clear this up, I can garuntee my dog lives a much happier life than your dogs. He is very rarely confused of what I expect of him, and the fucking mutt lives like a king. Unlike the retards who treat their animals like human children

I can't believe you even tried to make that analogy


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19117483 - 11/10/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My pup was the same way. Barked constantly if i wasnt home. Ended up getting one of those big cages.. and anytime he did something wrong, i would stick him in his cage. He slept there at night, and roamed around house during the day. I thought it was pretty good training, because he hated being in his cage.

Couple years later.. he rarely barks when we're not home, and only shits in the house when its an emergency for him.. i guess. :shrug:


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19119415 - 11/11/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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and just to clear this up, I can garuntee my dog lives a much happier life than your dogs.






I very much doubt this, sir. My current "mutt" lives on a farm, goes duck hunting, and participates in (and has won) retriever trials. He is not "confused".


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19121137 - 11/11/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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and just to clear this up, I can garuntee my dog lives a much happier life than your dogs.






I very much doubt this, sir. My current "mutt" lives on a farm, goes duck hunting, and participates in (and has won) retriever trials. He is not "confused".




The training isn't about situations like putting a FUCKING LABRADOR in the water to retrieve birds or however the competitions work. He probably barely needed to be trained to do it.

Teaching a food motivated dog not to snatch food out of a child's hand? That is an example of something that negative reinforcement works great for.

You clearly have no clue what you're talking about, go pick up a real working breed and see how that goes.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19121234 - 11/11/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

With all due respect buddy, you stated that your dog is happier than mine, and I simply told you why I don't think this to be so.

You seem to get very worked up about some pretty small things, bro. Maybe it's from too much "Juicin"?


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19121270 - 11/11/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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With all due respect buddy, you stated that your dog is happier than mine, and I simply told you why I don't think this to be so.

You seem to get very worked up about some pretty small things, bro. Maybe it's from too much "Juicin"?




I said it isn't confused

Which it isn't, because I employ a much wider range of ways to tell my dog what I want from it

A dog that knows what you want from it is a happy dog


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