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OfflineThatKidWithTheFace
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Re: my damn dog [Re: mindOmy]
    #19113516 - 11/10/13 07:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Dude, you've got 10 posts, what are you doing in the Pub?

It sounds to me like your dog has too much pent up energy


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Re: my damn dog [Re: niteman]
    #19114841 - 11/10/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually dogs have only been domesticated to around 30, 000 years and wolves have only been around for around 100, 000 so... yeah. Also just because something has been done for a while doesn't mean its right. I doubt rape and murder has changed all that much. Brutality is brutality in my mind. You are entitled to your own opinion but I strongly suggest the OP takes a less violent approach. If you don't care about the dog enough to refrain from hitting it then maybe a dog is not right for you. There are many traind professionals that can help you with your problem. Oh yeah because a dog has a high pain tolerance (like a pitbull for example) does not make it right.




? If the dog isn't hurt it's not abuse. The point is to get it to mind you

And dogs have been giving each other social ques very similar to things like pinch collars for MILLIONS of years. Not that I see anything wrong with positive reinforcement. But my dog minds me, and I guarantee the animals I have owned are much better behaved than your mutts. Clearly you don't get the concept, negative reinforcement isn't abuse.

And if your mutt is scared of you because you hit it, by definition it is not a hard fucking dog. And you've over done it




First of all I was only distinguishing domesticated dogs from their wild ancestors because although they are related and share many similarities, they are quite different and therefore behave differently from what you would consider a dog. You say you were talking about the pinch collar technique but your comment was misleading if that is all you meant because you were talking about punching dogs in the head I didn't know whether to take you seriously. I also mentioned using a stern voice and body language to assert dominance which FYI has been used for MILLIONS of years by the ancestors of the domesticated dog. I don't see what the miscommunication is though. Any respectable dog trainer or veterinarian would tell you exactly what I am saying. I'm not taking issue with you but with the abuse if animals. If my wife forgets to make dinner do I smack her around to teach her a lesson? Would you like someone using physical violence against you to condition you to be a better person? You may think these are seperate issues and I am overeacting but there are people in this world that believe all life is precious and do not desire to cause pain. Neither of us are going to change each others mind so I'm done.




Look dude, it's a simple concept. You want the dog to associate a certain behavior with a negative consequence. The most direct way to do that is to give him a jolt, pinch, slap or whatever just above his pain threshold. You want him to jump but then come right back and get some positive attention. The goal isn't to beat him into submission, you're confused. Being dominant doesn't fucking matter if the dog isn't convinced you can reach out and touch him


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19115522 - 11/10/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You gots it backwards, bro. You want the dog to associate good behavior with a positive consequence.

Being the dominant animal means being mentally dominant, and if you can't figure out a way to make your dog behave without resorting to violence, then you've failed in that respect.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19115933 - 11/10/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You gots it backwards, bro. You want the dog to associate good behavior with a positive consequence.

Being the dominant animal means being mentally dominant, and if you can't figure out a way to make your dog behave without resorting to violence, then you've failed in that respect.




You can motivate your dog all sorts of ways. If you want him to respect your "rules" when he isn't in your sight, you need to trick him into thinking you can reach out and touch him. Period.

How is he supposed to fix this behavior through positive reinforcement? If he isn't there a positive connotation on being fucking quiet isn't going to help. If he thinks about a pinch collar every time he barks at the neighbor he will remember it.

Clickers/food/ball or whatever motivates your dog positively are great, but I like my dog's to just listen. And to get it that way I have spent a lot of time convincing him that when I speak he NEEDS to listen or there are ALWAYS consequences. Dogs are simple creatures, just don't confuse them or be cruel and they'll be fine.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19116149 - 11/10/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How is he supposed to fix this behavior through positive reinforcement?





Same way you train a person. Dog is good, dog gets praise/extra food. Dog is bad, dog gets AdSeg until he behaves.

Dogs are simple creatures, so it shouldn't take a lot of brainpower to outsmart them.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19116214 - 11/10/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Juicin is correct.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: unknown1123]
    #19116236 - 11/10/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good for him, maybe not so good for his dog.

I've never owned an ill-behaved dog, and I've had some absolute beasts. And I've certainly never had to beat any of them.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19116398 - 11/10/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All my dogs are the most behaved animals I've seen anywhere.

I think you are confused on the usage of beat. We are talking about a light spanking.

I believe in spanking a child, too. Although I must say that I do not have one nor plan to have one in the next 3-6 years. :shrug:


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19117419 - 11/10/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Good for him, maybe not so good for his dog.

I've never owned an ill-behaved dog, and I've had some absolute beasts. And I've certainly never had to beat any of them.




Yes I'm sure they are very responsive when there is something they want more than your affection......Like a sandwich in a kids hand

edit - and just to clear this up, I can garuntee my dog lives a much happier life than your dogs. He is very rarely confused of what I expect of him, and the fucking mutt lives like a king. Unlike the retards who treat their animals like human children

I can't believe you even tried to make that analogy


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19117483 - 11/10/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My pup was the same way. Barked constantly if i wasnt home. Ended up getting one of those big cages.. and anytime he did something wrong, i would stick him in his cage. He slept there at night, and roamed around house during the day. I thought it was pretty good training, because he hated being in his cage.

Couple years later.. he rarely barks when we're not home, and only shits in the house when its an emergency for him.. i guess. :shrug:


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19119415 - 11/11/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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and just to clear this up, I can garuntee my dog lives a much happier life than your dogs.






I very much doubt this, sir. My current "mutt" lives on a farm, goes duck hunting, and participates in (and has won) retriever trials. He is not "confused".


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19121137 - 11/11/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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and just to clear this up, I can garuntee my dog lives a much happier life than your dogs.






I very much doubt this, sir. My current "mutt" lives on a farm, goes duck hunting, and participates in (and has won) retriever trials. He is not "confused".




The training isn't about situations like putting a FUCKING LABRADOR in the water to retrieve birds or however the competitions work. He probably barely needed to be trained to do it.

Teaching a food motivated dog not to snatch food out of a child's hand? That is an example of something that negative reinforcement works great for.

You clearly have no clue what you're talking about, go pick up a real working breed and see how that goes.


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
    #19121234 - 11/11/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

With all due respect buddy, you stated that your dog is happier than mine, and I simply told you why I don't think this to be so.

You seem to get very worked up about some pretty small things, bro. Maybe it's from too much "Juicin"?


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Re: my damn dog [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19121270 - 11/11/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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With all due respect buddy, you stated that your dog is happier than mine, and I simply told you why I don't think this to be so.

You seem to get very worked up about some pretty small things, bro. Maybe it's from too much "Juicin"?




I said it isn't confused

Which it isn't, because I employ a much wider range of ways to tell my dog what I want from it

A dog that knows what you want from it is a happy dog


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