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Thanks all.who replied. Im trying to work with him and be patient with. He does wear a choke collar when i walk him. And ive done the outside treat method. Thats how he came to be a good dog when im around. Hes come a long way from where he was when i first got him 5 mths ago, but seems to have platuead these last 2 mths. He used to chew on everything and get into the trash. No potty habit whatsoever. Doesnt do any of that anymore. I believe the people i got him from didnt care or try to train him at all., so i suppose part of my.problem is breaking his old habits and making new ones at the same time.
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yea, give it karate. i mean, exercise.
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Re: my damn dog [Re: stimpson]
#19111967 - 11/09/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You need to crate him, whether he barks or not
You're at a point where the dog knows if he shits when you're not around he's not going to get punished. You have to address that before you allow your dog in a situation to shit in the house when he knows there is nothing that is gonna happen to him (in the moment).
Sounds like you have a good and perceptive dog. He notices a pattern, when you're not there he's allowed to shit in the house.
If you really for whatever reason you would really like your dog to never have to be crated. You have to catch him shitting in the act, trying to rub his nose in it probably won't fix it. Assuming you don't do it right after he shits it out, and even then it sounds like you know how to discipline your dog without rubbing his nose in shit and your carpet.
Not to mention 9 months is really young, you're asking a lot of it.
edit - As for ideas to get him to shit in the house, just don't let him out. But again I'd just crate him. Good thing for a dog to be comfortable with.
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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
#19112323 - 11/09/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The problem with putting him in the kennel is his barking get the neighbor pissy and called the cops.
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Giggle_Grower said: The problem with putting him in the kennel is his barking get the neighbor pissy and called the cops.
You gotta explain to your neighbors that the barking should go away, and that in the end your dog will be much more pliable with this way. They will probably be pissed either way. But this isn't a problem that's easily solved if the dog knows not to shit when you're around.
You might have shit going on at your house that makes the barking completely unacceptable even in the short term because of police contact. Which obviously I can sympathize with. I guess if you only have a few neighbors go talk to them. Otherwise you could rig up some sound dampening shit where you put his crate.
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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
#19112455 - 11/09/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't beat your dog dude. You may call it discipline but that dog will end up being afraid of you and emotionally scarred. I have a pit bull and they are a ton of work because of how hyper and aggressive they tend to be but I take him out 6-8 times a day and he is well behaved and doesn't shit in my house. I'm not judging you I'm just stating the facts of what will happen when you use physical violence against a dog as a means of discipline. Expressing dissapointment using a stern voice and demeanor and reinforcing positive behavior with treats and praises is the best way to train a dog. If that fails seek professional help from a trainer. The money is worth it trust me. If you need other tips pm me.
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Re: my damn dog [Re: niteman] 1
#19112510 - 11/09/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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dogs are territory creatures. assert that the house is your territory by peeing over all the places he normally poops. he will then either challenge you for the spot by pooping more or quit in defeat
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Re: my damn dog [Re: niteman]
#19112521 - 11/09/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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niteman said: Don't beat your dog dude. You may call it discipline but that dog will end up being afraid of you and emotionally scarred. I have a pit bull and they are a ton of work because of how hyper and aggressive they tend to be but I take him out 6-8 times a day and he is well behaved and doesn't shit in my house. I'm not judging you I'm just stating the facts of what will happen when you use physical violence against a dog as a means of discipline. Expressing dissapointment using a stern voice and demeanor and reinforcing positive behavior with treats and praises is the best way to train a dog. If that fails seek professional help from a trainer. The money is worth it trust me. If you need other tips pm me.
If he has a "hard dog" aka a dog that you can punch square in the head and he will just look at you, sometimes they need a good smack. A really soft dog would act like you beat it if you yelled at it. You only go as far as you need to get a reaction. Shock collars and pinch collars are the same concept, but positive reinforcement isn't exactly how they have done things for millions of years.
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If your dog barks every time he hears something when you're gone leaving the tv on might help so he just thinks a lot of weird sounds are normal.
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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
#19112725 - 11/09/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Actually dogs have only been domesticated to around 30, 000 years and wolves have only been around for around 100, 000 so... yeah. Also just because something has been done for a while doesn't mean its right. I doubt rape and murder has changed all that much. Brutality is brutality in my mind. You are entitled to your own opinion but I strongly suggest the OP takes a less violent approach. If you don't care about the dog enough to refrain from hitting it then maybe a dog is not right for you. There are many traind professionals that can help you with your problem. Oh yeah because a dog has a high pain tolerance (like a pitbull for example) does not make it right.
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Re: my damn dog [Re: niteman]
#19112817 - 11/10/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok i think the whole beating things is being viewed out of context. Im not full force hitting him. If i do it, i take him to the poop pile, smack his butt a few times, and put him and the poo outside. Im not.like punching him in the head or kicking or chucking him. Beating was definetly a poor choice of words.
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Re: my damn dog [Re: niteman]
#19112874 - 11/10/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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niteman said: Actually dogs have only been domesticated to around 30, 000 years and wolves have only been around for around 100, 000 so... yeah. Also just because something has been done for a while doesn't mean its right. I doubt rape and murder has changed all that much. Brutality is brutality in my mind. You are entitled to your own opinion but I strongly suggest the OP takes a less violent approach. If you don't care about the dog enough to refrain from hitting it then maybe a dog is not right for you. There are many traind professionals that can help you with your problem. Oh yeah because a dog has a high pain tolerance (like a pitbull for example) does not make it right.
? If the dog isn't hurt it's not abuse. The point is to get it to mind you
And dogs have been giving each other social ques very similar to things like pinch collars for MILLIONS of years. Not that I see anything wrong with positive reinforcement. But my dog minds me, and I guarantee the animals I have owned are much better behaved than your mutts. Clearly you don't get the concept, negative reinforcement isn't abuse.
And if your mutt is scared of you because you hit it, by definition it is not a hard fucking dog. And you've over done it
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Giggle_Grower said: Ok i think the whole beating things is being viewed out of context. Im not full force hitting him. If i do it, i take him to the poop pile, smack his butt a few times, and put him and the poo outside. Im not.like punching him in the head or kicking or chucking him. Beating was definetly a poor choice of words.
I'm pretty sure it's been shown in studies this doesn't do much to actually make them stop doing it.
They don't don't get why you're hitting them, unless you catch them in the act.
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Re: my damn dog [Re: mindOmy]
#19112911 - 11/10/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mindOmy said: The Doc I work with always says that its called |Separation Anxiety|. But you know how doctors are, always putting labels on EVERYTHING. If the walking doesn't help, his next suggestions are to get what is called ClomaCalm. Its pretty much anti anxiety, happy pills, for animals. Hope that helps man.
Soooo if I tell the vet my doggy gets anxiety I can get these pills????? Do I have to show proof of the dog to get them? Answer quick please this is very important.
My dog barks a lot, and I wanna be able to ignore it
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mindOmy said: The Doc I work with always says that its called |Separation Anxiety|. But you know how doctors are, always putting labels on EVERYTHING. If the walking doesn't help, his next suggestions are to get what is called ClomaCalm. Its pretty much anti anxiety, happy pills, for animals. Hope that helps man.
Soooo if I tell the vet my doggy gets anxiety I can get these pills????? Do I have to show proof of the dog to get them? Answer quick please this is very important.
My dog barks a lot, and I wanna be able to ignore it
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Re: my damn dog [Re: Juicin]
#19113080 - 11/10/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said:
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niteman said: Actually dogs have only been domesticated to around 30, 000 years and wolves have only been around for around 100, 000 so... yeah. Also just because something has been done for a while doesn't mean its right. I doubt rape and murder has changed all that much. Brutality is brutality in my mind. You are entitled to your own opinion but I strongly suggest the OP takes a less violent approach. If you don't care about the dog enough to refrain from hitting it then maybe a dog is not right for you. There are many traind professionals that can help you with your problem. Oh yeah because a dog has a high pain tolerance (like a pitbull for example) does not make it right.
? If the dog isn't hurt it's not abuse. The point is to get it to mind you
And dogs have been giving each other social ques very similar to things like pinch collars for MILLIONS of years. Not that I see anything wrong with positive reinforcement. But my dog minds me, and I guarantee the animals I have owned are much better behaved than your mutts. Clearly you don't get the concept, negative reinforcement isn't abuse.
And if your mutt is scared of you because you hit it, by definition it is not a hard fucking dog. And you've over done it
First of all I was only distinguishing domesticated dogs from their wild ancestors because although they are related and share many similarities, they are quite different and therefore behave differently from what you would consider a dog. You say you were talking about the pinch collar technique but your comment was misleading if that is all you meant because you were talking about punching dogs in the head I didn't know whether to take you seriously. I also mentioned using a stern voice and body language to assert dominance which FYI has been used for MILLIONS of years by the ancestors of the domesticated dog. I don't see what the miscommunication is though. Any respectable dog trainer or veterinarian would tell you exactly what I am saying. I'm not taking issue with you but with the abuse if animals. If my wife forgets to make dinner do I smack her around to teach her a lesson? Would you like someone using physical violence against you to condition you to be a better person? You may think these are seperate issues and I am overeacting but there are people in this world that believe all life is precious and do not desire to cause pain. Neither of us are going to change each others mind so I'm done.
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mindOmy said: The Doc I work with always says that its called |Separation Anxiety|. But you know how doctors are, always putting labels on EVERYTHING. If the walking doesn't help, his next suggestions are to get what is called ClomaCalm. Its pretty much anti anxiety, happy pills, for animals. Hope that helps man.
Soooo if I tell the vet my doggy gets anxiety I can get these pills????? Do I have to show proof of the dog to get them? Answer quick please this is very important.
My dog barks a lot, and I wanna be able to ignore it
Lol I don't know about taking dog pills man. You may end up with a way shinier coat than you intended
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Re: my damn dog [Re: niteman]
#19113103 - 11/10/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DUDE! Theyre for my dog you don't know what ur talking about
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If I remember correctly these are sometimes prescribed to humans anyways, I might be thinking of the wrong drug, but I don't think so.
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Yeah a lot of vetrinary drugs are no different than drugs prescribed to humans. I know lorazepam is one of them.
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