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FunkyBuddha
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Buddha's First Grow 1
#19108100 - 11/08/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alrighty everyone,the time has nearly come and I think I've worked out how my anal pubes' uncle are going to go about growing his first shrooms.
I'm posting all of this a few weeks ahead of starting so I have time to receive advice, relay that to my anal pubes' uncle so he can make modifications and purchase anything that he's missing. So please, any and all advice is welcome.
Pubies uncle going to be working off m00nshine's bulk growing for noobs tek ( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10981397 ) which is basically pf cakes to a bulk sub for either trays or monotubs. He's purchasing the jars and spore print in the next few days and his idea is basically to make up 10 or 12 cakes, crumble half of them into bulk sub for monotubs (pictured below) and use the other half for standard pf tek, that way he'll get an experience with both grow styles and if he fuck up the bulk he should at the very least get a few valid specimens for study.
He has some desk lamps that he could possibly just sit on top of the chambers but unless he's using LED or other eco-friendly bulbs he wouldn't want to run them for very long as they'd use a lot of power and might blow. How do you guys light your sgfc's and monotubs?
The next question is, the only needles he can get in my area are 13mm long (barely over 1/2") so should he try and find some other needle, make my dry verm layer less thick or just get the needle as far down the side of the jar as he can and hope the spores will run down?
Also, he's heard that coir (will be using coir instead of cow manure) used for gardening is usually infested with a variety trichoderma species to benefit the plants so is the type bought from pet stores okay? And as he live in australia he probably have different brands to you yankers so any aussie input would be primo.
Also, he'll be hand grinding the brf from organic brown rice 1) for personal reasons and 2) he saw somewhere that people typically get slightly higher yields from grinding their own rice? (picture of how fine he got it below)
How does one go about spraying/watering and misting monotubs and pf cakes? he knows he needs to mist and fan 3-5 times a day, fanning for two minutes for pf cakes but what about monos? And is a spray shield necessary? If so, what are some common ways of doing it?
And probably the most important issue is, he has a window of about a little over two months (end of november to start of february) in which he can grow but he's going to be out of town to visit the genital wart relatives in woop woop from the 8th to the 18th of December which is a bit of a fuck around as there is no way he can check or alter anything that happens in that time but he doesn't want to wait until he gets back, is there an ideal time throughout the process that this 10 days could fit? He was thinking either inoculating the pf jars the day before he leaves or maybe just after he births them/transfers to bulk but any advice is more than welcome, he needs all the help he can get.
That's all I can think of for now, I will update with more questions and any major events to do with the process as they come up. Thank you to anyone who responds. Peace 
This is the proposed SGFC, yes it looks very opaque but light goes through it really well
Proposed mono tubs (10" x 13" x 17.5")
Hand-ground BRF, is this fine enough?
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cronicr



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i light mine anyway possible, the right spectrum is the more important thing
get a longer needle, there cheap
weather it was laced with trich or not your gonna pasturize so it doesn't matter
misting mono's isn't neccesary for the first flush, misting cakes is diffrent, mist until they glisten then fan once they no longer have that glisten or visible moisture mist again but fan in between this time, no spray shields are not neccesary thats old school aqaurium shit build a sgfc. when you fan it's not needed to go 2 minutes just fan the stale air out(mono's should not need fanning) i would inoculate about a week before i left or now and then spawn them to bulk
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FunkyBuddha
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Re: Buddha's First Grow [Re: cronicr]
#19108222 - 11/08/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay, and daylight cfl is where it's at?
It's not about price, I can't find then anywhere
Alrighty thanks
Okay awesome thanks, and I can't inoculate now because I don't have the time or materials, the earliest I could do it would be as soon as everything arrives (shipping is 2-5 weeks to australia) but I there's no way I can delay my leaving if I'm in the middle of colonising or something, so if I was to inoculate a week before leaving wouldn't there be the worry of them pinning in the jars or something? However the way things are going I think I'll be lucky to even inoculate before I leave, so I'll have to see how things go. Thanks
Edited by FunkyBuddha (11/08/13 11:24 PM)
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elasticaltiger
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Re: Buddha's First Grow [Re: cronicr]
#19108224 - 11/08/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude I'm sorry but STOP. You can use PF jars to spawn to bulk but the tek this guy is describing is waaaaaay out of date. You can do way better.
Watch RR's 'let's grow mushrooms' Pay for it if you can. It's worth every penny and more.
Make 24 - 32 1/2 pint jars worth of spawn via the EXACT METHOD shown in the video.
Use frankhorigan's propper pasteurization tek to pasteurize coconut coir and follow his method for spawning to a monotub. Replace the wild bird seed jars he uses with your 24 - 32 half pint brown rice flour jars.
Do not follow the tek you linked to. You will be set up to fail so hard. It makes me want to cry just thinking about it. You'll be back to this forum in two weeks asking what went wrong and why your grow isn't working.
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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OgreLokon
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I looked at that TEK you linked, and it's gonna end in tears for your anal pube's uncle
Edited by OgreLokon (11/08/13 11:07 PM)
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elasticaltiger
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Read the rules. Spores are for microscopic research only. Remove the sponsors name from your post.
A daylight spectrum CFL is a 6500 kelvin spectrum bulb. Most local hardware and home improvement stores carry them. So does walmart.
This is a link to frankhorrigan's methods. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163
Again, simply replace the wild bird seed with 24 - 32 wide mouth half pint BRF jars made using this method exactly: http://www.mushroomvideos.com/
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
Edited by elasticaltiger (11/09/13 07:01 AM)
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FunkyBuddha
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Okay thanks for telling me the tek was bunk, very glad I posted now. I can't afford to do that many pf jars so would it still work if I just changed the ratios to accommodate two tiny trays made from two and a half or three cakes each? Because I do want to give trays or mono tubs a go but if I fuck this up I don't know when I'll get the chance to grow again so I want to have at least half of the cakes reserved for just straight up pf tek.
And apologies for the sponsor thing, brain fart
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elasticaltiger
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FunkyBuddha said: Okay thanks for telling me the tek was bunk, very glad I posted now. I can't afford to do that many pf jars so would it still work if I just changed the ratios to accommodate two tiny trays made from two and a half or three cakes each? Because I do want to give trays or mono tubs a go but if I fuck this up I don't know when I'll get the chance to grow again so I want to have at least half of the cakes reserved for just straight up pf tek.
And apologies for the sponsor thing, brain fart 
As long as you can build a proper shotgun fruiting chamber that is NOT stuck in a closet then YES you can absolutely change the ratios to spawn to smaller trays. Though with only three cakes I'm not sure you're going to see a lot of improvement over fruiting the cakes as cakes. You could try doing a minimono but even for that you should be using like 4 - 6 pf cakes depending on the size of the tub. If you buy a 12-jar pack of half pint jars and follow the videos to the letter (wide mouth half pint jars, not the tall skinny ones) you could see as much as 2 dry ounces after two - three flushes. Trust me, if you follow it to the letter you will have more mushrooms than you know what to do with. There is no shame in sticking with cakes. They worked great for me for months. The only reason I moved on to bulk monos is because I was having so much fun learning how to grow mushrooms. If I just wanted to trip I would have stuck with fruiting little cakes.
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
Edited by elasticaltiger (11/08/13 11:36 PM)
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elasticaltiger
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Re: Buddha's First Grow [Re: cronicr]
#19108364 - 11/08/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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FunkyBuddha
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Okay so just go straight pf according to RR's videos? (Which I'm watching now and god damn they're good, no wonder he's the go to guy
And yeah I can't recall whether or not I bought a 10 or 12 pack of the jars but they are definitely the 1/2 pint wide mouth jars.
Those are cool! And the other thing that I'm worried about is now that I'm just doing pf tek, which of the two containers should I use? The big one is ridiculously big and I have a feeling it's actually big enough to the point that it'd be hard to keep humidity up but the smaller (and totally transparent) containers are only 10" deep, so I doubt there'd be room for 5" of perlite plus cakes plus shrooms so could I use less perlite?
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cronicr said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18277258#18277258 there's some of my novelty cake grows
Nice.
thnx
use the bigger one, if you build it right you will have no issues
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elasticaltiger
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FunkyBuddha said: Okay so just go straight pf according to RR's videos? (Which I'm watching now and god damn they're good, no wonder he's the go to guy
And yeah I can't recall whether or not I bought a 10 or 12 pack of the jars but they are definitely the 1/2 pint wide mouth jars.
Those are cool! And the other thing that I'm worried about is now that I'm just doing pf tek, which of the two containers should I use? The big one is ridiculously big and I have a feeling it's actually big enough to the point that it'd be hard to keep humidity up but the smaller (and totally transparent) containers are only 10" deep, so I doubt there'd be room for 5" of perlite plus cakes plus shrooms so could I use less perlite?
Use the big one. I used a 100 litre SGFC with 5 inches of perlite and it performed just fine. Bed time now. Good luck!
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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OgreLokon
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elasticaltiger said:
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FunkyBuddha said: Okay, and daylight cfl is where it's at?
It's not about price, I can't find then anywhere
Alrighty thanks
Okay awesome thanks, and I can't inoculate now because I don't have the time or materials, the earliest I could do it would be as soon as everything arrives (spore works shipping is 2-5 weeks to australia) but I there's no way I can delay my leaving if I'm in the middle of colonising or something, so if I was to inoculate a week before leaving wouldn't there be the worry of them pinning in the jars or something? However the way things are going I think I'll be lucky to even inoculate before I leave, so I'll have to see how things go. Thanks
Read the rules. Spores are for microscopic research only. Remove the sponsors name from your post.
A daylight spectrum CFL is a 6500 kelvin spectrum bulb. Most local hardware and home improvement stores carry them. So does walmart.
This is a link to frankhorrigan's methods. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163
Again, simply replace the wild bird seed with 24 - 32 wide mouth half pint BRF jars made using this method exactly: http://www.mushroomvideos.com/
Edit yours as well
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FunkyBuddha
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Re: Buddha's First Grow [Re: OgreLokon]
#19108561 - 11/09/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay, thank you all for the input, I'll start collecting the materials now and post when get started
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FunkyBuddha
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Oh just another quick question, what is wrong with the tek I posted? Just so I can self-check in future
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OgreLokon
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It's a bit of a piecemeal of diff TEKs, so going through the whole thing will just take too long. Watch RR's videos, and then you'll be able to know what you should and shouldn't do.
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Re: Buddha's First Grow [Re: OgreLokon]
#19108608 - 11/09/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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he uses the wrong jars for the pf tek also uses the pillowcase to pasturize and his results
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Re: Buddha's First Grow [Re: cronicr]
#19108912 - 11/09/13 02:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, the only thing that struck me as odd when I first went through it was his creepy crawly shrooms and how most of them looked really low yield compared to the other bulk pictures I'd seen but I put that down to natural variation, thanks.
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elasticaltiger
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Re: Buddha's First Grow [Re: OgreLokon]
#19109251 - 11/09/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OgreLokon said: Edit yours as well

Lol now your turn.
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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