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cronicr



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i'm not offended aat your tone towards hacker(but don't push i or i'll snap)
an no moisture/condensation could be more from too much fae and not low rh
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PussyFart
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MisterDeadeye said: I never said condensation is required for a usable humidity.
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MisterDeadeye said: If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.
Then what does this mean?
Because this is where I got confused....
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19105448 - 11/08/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: At least i don't tell people that lots of condensation means you have high humidity.
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MisterDeadeye That's not what I said.
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MisterDeadeye said: If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.

Just because there is condensation on the walls and on the surface of the substrate, still does not mean the humidity is good enough.
Again, using your logic, a SGFC should have condensation or the humidity is not high enough....but this is just not the case.
Bulk substrates in monotubs create 10+ degrees of heat easily...this is why there is condensation.
Even if the RH was 10%, with that temperature differential, there would still be condensation.
So how does what you said make any Not trying to argue here, but I go over this shit everyday....it's kinda getting old.
I agree. I'd prefer to see this forum filled with people having meaningful discussion on cultivation, not the same four questions posted over and over.
Where you and I are disconnecting is with the way we're wording this. Technically speaking, those are the words that I used. And they are correct. However, you're seeing it as "Condensation is required for high humidity". That's not what I'm saying.
Not seeing condensation in a SGFC is normal. My edit above addressed that. However, you stated that with an RH of 10% and a temperature of +10 degrees, you'd see condensation. That's incorrect. Condensation can't occur if there isn't extra moisture in the air.
Again, condensation indicates a difference in humidity. That is half of the equation for how condensation is created. The other is temperature. It is not either/or. It is both. 100% of the time.
I apologize for the immature nature of my previous posts, but you are still incorrect.
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Skinty
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MisterDeadeye said:
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Notahacker420 said: At least i don't tell people that lots of condensation means you have high humidity.
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MisterDeadeye That's not what I said.
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MisterDeadeye said: If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.

Just because there is condensation on the walls and on the surface of the substrate, still does not mean the humidity is good enough.
Again, using your logic, a SGFC should have condensation or the humidity is not high enough....but this is just not the case.
Bulk substrates in monotubs create 10+ degrees of heat easily...this is why there is condensation.
Even if the RH was 10%, with that temperature differential, there would still be condensation.
So how does what you said make any Not trying to argue here, but I go over this shit everyday....it's kinda getting old.
I agree. I'd prefer to see this forum filled with people having meaningful discussion on cultivation, not the same four questions posted over and over.
Where you and I are disconnecting is with the way we're wording this. Technically speaking, those are the words that I used. And they are correct. However, you're seeing it as "Condensation is required for high humidity". That's not what I'm saying.
Not seeing condensation in a SGFC is normal. My edit above addressed that. However, you stated that with an RH of 10% and a temperature of +10 degrees, you'd see condensation. That's incorrect. Condensation can't occur if there isn't extra moisture in the air.
Again, condensation indicates a difference in humidity. That is half of the equation for how condensation is created. The other is temperature. It is not either/or. It is both. 100% of the time.
I apologize for the immature nature of my previous posts, but you are still incorrect.
What you were saying is you can judge RH with yr hand - which is a buncha crap
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MisterDeadeye said: Not seeing condensation in a SGFC is normal. My edit above addressed that. However, you stated that with an RH of 10% and a temperature of +10 degrees, you'd see condensation. That's incorrect. Condensation can't occur if there isn't extra moisture in the air.
Really?
What about your house in the winter....which should have very low humidity.
Go in the fridge and crack open a can of beer.
In 5 minutes the can will have condensation on it....even if the humidity in your house was 10%.
Why?
Then look at your fogged up windows which have condensation on them.
Then ask yourself, is there extra moisture in my house, or is there just a temperature difference?
You cannot judge humidity with your hand, and no one needs to look for condensation to give them an idea of what the RH is...it just doesn't work like that.
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Edited by PussyFart (11/08/13 12:36 PM)
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MisterDeadeye


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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19105487 - 11/08/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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MisterDeadeye said: Not seeing condensation in a SGFC is normal. My edit above addressed that. However, you stated that with an RH of 10% and a temperature of +10 degrees, you'd see condensation. That's incorrect. Condensation can't occur if there isn't extra moisture in the air.
Really?
What about your house in the winter....which should have very low humidity.
Go in the fridge and crack open a can of beer.
In 5 minutes the can will have condensation on it....even if the humidity in your house was 10%.
Why?
Then look at your fogged up windows which have condensation on them.
Then ask yourself, is there extra moisture in my house, or is there just a temperature difference?
There is condensation on the beer bottle and window because of the water vapors in your house and the temperature differential. You can't have condensation without water. I'm late for work but I'd be more than happy to keep discussing this with you through PM or whatever. I probably won't remember to check this thread when I get back.
Edit: If the humidity was 10%, there would be very little, if any, condensation. Test this if you want.
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Skinty
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MisterDeadeye said:
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Notahacker420 said:
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MisterDeadeye said: Not seeing condensation in a SGFC is normal. My edit above addressed that. However, you stated that with an RH of 10% and a temperature of +10 degrees, you'd see condensation. That's incorrect. Condensation can't occur if there isn't extra moisture in the air.
Really?
What about your house in the winter....which should have very low humidity.
Go in the fridge and crack open a can of beer.
In 5 minutes the can will have condensation on it....even if the humidity in your house was 10%.
Why?
Then look at your fogged up windows which have condensation on them.
Then ask yourself, is there extra moisture in my house, or is there just a temperature difference?
I probably won't remember to check this thread when I get back.
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MisterDeadeye


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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19105521 - 11/08/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Before I go, I'm fruting a monotub right now. There is no condensation at the moment because it has a lot of FAE. I know it's humid by feeling it. Your hands can sense the water vapor in the air. I already gave you a link talking about it.
And I never said condensation was important or necessary. Just that it indicates the presence of moisture. Still true.
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MisterDeadeye said: Edit: If the humidity was 10%, there would be very little, if any, condensation. Test this if you want.
So beer cans in the desert don't condensate?
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Revemu]
#19105536 - 11/08/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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always remember the main pinning trigger is evaporation of moisture on the surface of the substrate so just make sure you can see moisture on the top of the substrate give it some fanning and then mist some more
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Psilicon
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19106686 - 11/08/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MisterDeadeye said: Edit: If the humidity was 10%, there would be very little, if any, condensation. Test this if you want.
So beer cans in the desert don't condensate?
No, NAH, beer cans in the desert don't sweat. I don't know how many times I've told you that. They don't even sweat here in Alberta.
Deadeye, I've tried explaining this to him several times. He absolutely refuses to try to learn anything from any outside source, or to listen to you if you're not a TC. But best of luck, homie.
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Psilicon]
#19106720 - 11/08/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, I am thick headed, and only parrot RR...yea yea yea, yada yada yada.....
Here are some "outside sources".....
Does condensation happen in deserts?
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Water-in-the-Desert
They even make products that work off this principle...
http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/air-water-collector
Now try convincing me some more.....
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19106800 - 11/08/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Yes, I am thick headed, and only parrot RR...yea yea yea, yada yada yada.....
Here are some "outside sources".....
Does condensation happen in deserts?
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Water-in-the-Desert
They even make products that work off this principle...
http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/air-water-collector
Now try convincing me some more.....
Great! Good start. The first one acknowledges that with little moisture in the air, you may well have to have something significantly below freezing to have condensation occur, because condensation relies on humidity.
The second one relies on plants to increase the moisture in either a bag or a pit, so that you can make use of the temperature differential to cause the precipitation of the now increased moisture in the air.
The last one struck me as a little odd, so I went and tried to find reviews. I couldn't, mostly because it's not an actual product and it's never been made. Check out the comments here.
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Psilicon]
#19107006 - 11/08/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Get this and be done with guessing! http://www.amazon.com/CALIBER-DIGITAL-HYGROMETER-CIGAR-HUMIDOR/dp/B00A9W41GI/ref=pd_sbs_misc_1
If its good enough for a cigar humidor its good enough for us.
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Bass808]
#19107039 - 11/08/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bass808 said: Get this and be done with guessing! http://www.amazon.com/CALIBER-DIGITAL-HYGROMETER-CIGAR-HUMIDOR/dp/B00A9W41GI/ref=pd_sbs_misc_1
If its good enough for a cigar humidor its good enough for us.
Electronics and high humidity don't really mix.
Cigars are not kept at high RH....Analog hygrometers are better for this hobby....ones that you can calibrate.
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Skinty
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19107157 - 11/08/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyway I'm really twisted and for some reason came back to teh computer. I find all this bickering but still no resolution of the most integral question of WHY IS THAT SHIT IN A LAUNDRY BASKET???
Edited by Skinty (11/08/13 06:52 PM)
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Skinty
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19107166 - 11/08/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is why you don't have pinning IME 
Edit: sorry it's past my bed time
Edited by Skinty (11/08/13 06:57 PM)
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Skinty
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Psilicon]
#19107281 - 11/08/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MisterDeadeye said: Edit: If the humidity was 10%, there would be very little, if any, condensation. Test this if you want.
So beer cans in the desert don't condensate?
No, NAH, beer cans in the desert don't sweat.
If we are going to be technical and scientific I would like to point out that beer cans don't actually have sweat glands thus making it impossible for them to sweat. But I'm really high so discount what I just said 
Edit: crap did it again - way past my bedtime now. think the clonazepam has reduced me to a point of homeostasis. Off to the pub then
Edited by Skinty (11/08/13 07:28 PM)
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Revemu

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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19108907 - 11/09/13 02:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Guys I've read your suggestions and conversation in connection with humidity, moisture and condensation. I did not tell that; I always keep the mycelium surface moisted, If I can't see any water droplets on the walls neither on the myc surface, I supposed to mist it. I'd like to ask what's better: to mist everything including the laundry basket (lol) walls and the surface too or should I avoid misting the surface, or is it enough to mist only the surface? Any pros/contras? (I am misting the whole basket nows) Of course what was in connection about the humidity and hygrometer is important and to stay outside the "frontlines": I have been checking the humidity with my hands too, but I can't just refer to my senses this is why I have a hygrometer. I can't trust my own senses and there's no digits in my hands to read the RH level properly but maybe my hands can give me suggestions about misting just by feeling the air with hands.
About the laundry basket wrapped with neylon sacks: CHEAP. No other reason. Functions as a plastic box. I don't see any disadvantage caused by the laundry basket, but offense it, I am interested in it.
"I told him that if he cannot feel moisture in the tub with his hand, if there is no moisture on the substrate, and if there is no condensation, then the RH is low. Those three things are what you're referring to by good judgment. That is how you judge, by looking and feeling."
This is what I've done for a week and with the help of a hygro all I can tell is that the humidity was never low. I think it was never high enough, too. I can't raise it over 95%, however maybe this is not as important as a regular FAE. A week passed and I still waiting for pinning, I was trying to follow the suggestions but I've done this before I posted here.
I am going to post pics after pinning, I am hopeful now, to tell the truth I was posted here to get confirmation about the way how am I doing this correctly or not. Anyway, thank you for all who posted here!
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cronicr



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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Revemu]
#19109784 - 11/09/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mist your sub, thee moisture on the surface is the humidiity that matters most
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