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andrewmurray86
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Australian Immigration
#19106558 - 11/08/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So lately I have had the chance to watch some of Scott Morrison's border control updates.
This guy has to be one of the worst things to happen to Australian politics ever.
I'm just going to say, the racist xenophobes voted him in and that's what they got. A racist xenophobe.
It makes me sick, I cannot fathom the way we treat asylum seekers in this country, we really are a racist bunch.
It seems that most of us think that asylum seekers are going to come in to our country and take over. We treat them with suspicion and make them feel unwelcome and intimidated. They gather in their communities until that area is over-run with people from that background.
Well lets try reaching out to these people. If we stopped acting like rednecks and welcomed these people then I think you would see a greater integration into our communities and 2 things would happen. The first is that you would learn amazing things from these people and second, they would learn amazing things from us.
So do your bit, don't vote liberal at the next election, because lets face it, it's not just immigration that has gone down the toilet... Remember the NBN? Do you like your job? What about the ABC??
In the mean time, go make some ethnic friends.
Preachy? you bet.
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luvdemshrooms
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So you're entire argument is... he's bad?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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andrewmurray86
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yeah I got pretty emotionally involved there. My point is that he is not communicating with the public in an appropriate way and furthering the fears and mis-beliefs of the public.
For example: there is a general lack of compassion regarding asylum seekers in Australia. Scott Morrison says that his policies are compassionate because they "stop" people risking their lives trying to get to Australia. Rather than facilitating safe and humane processes for asylum seekers to enter the country he prefers to place a cone of silence over them. The first option, making it easy for asylum seekers to enter the country and join society, is much cheaper than operating detention centres and locking them up for indefinite periods.
Another thing he has done is refer to these people as "illegals" in all official documents and somehow managed to get the media to do it too. He didn't start calling them illegals, that was Johnny and Kevin, but Morrison has taken it that step further. The problem of course is that they aren't illegals. Any refugee is perfect legal and entitled to refuge. It's awful that we are still getting away with this shit. Not sure why the international community hasn't said anything yet.
So yes, Morrison is bad, the trouble is that he isn't alone.
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luvdemshrooms
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What's the problem? They are illegals.
Sounds like your countries policies are headed in the right direction.
If only the US government would show the same spine.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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andrewmurray86
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That's thing bruz, they aren't illegals...
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luvdemshrooms
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If they use legal means to emigrate to your country... no, they are not illegal.
Otherwise the term fits quite well for those who come illegally.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Like I said... they are using legal means to come to our country. Seeking refuge and asylum is not illegal, never has been, I'm sure one day will be though. They can use any means they want to get here to seek asylum, most choose boat. the few that get here by plane are not subject to the discrimination that those arriving by boat are.
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Well, without knowing just what his policies are and assuming he carries them out legally, I don't see the problem.
Asylum should not be granted to any and all who seek it.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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With all the turmoil created by the Axis of Warmongers (USA, UK, Australia), and the number of orphaned children in Iraq & Afghanistan, the best forward thinking plan would be to sterilise every woman of child bearing age and if they want kids they have to adopt from overseas
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Quote:
luvdemshrooms said: What's the problem? They are illegals.
Sounds like your countries policies are headed in the right direction.
If only the US government would show the same spine.
Sounds like my kind of guy.
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Re: Australian Immigration [Re: barong]
#19109373 - 11/09/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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barong said: With all the turmoil created by the Axis of Warmongers (USA, UK, Australia), and the number of orphaned children in Iraq & Afghanistan, the best forward thinking plan would be to sterilise every woman of child bearing age and if they want kids they have to adopt from overseas
You can start with yourself .
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Re: Australian Immigration [Re: setb] 1
#19109434 - 11/09/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seriously though, at some point you have enough immigrants and any sane country would slow down or cut off immigration all together. With the economy the way it is the LAST thing you need is an unchecked wave of people that can't speak the language and need all kinds of assistance flooding past the gates.
Focus on those already in the country, grow the economy, allow the immigrants already in the country ample time to assimilate, and only then allow more immigration. It's not "racist" and it's not "xenophobic" ( , I love that one)- it's fucking common sense.
You're acting as if some injustice is being done here, a sovereign state has a right to regulate immigration. The Commonwealth states and the USA are NOT the freaking breadlines of the world.
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Re: Australian Immigration [Re: setb]
#19111746 - 11/09/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am absolutely asserting that something illegal and wrong is being done.
If you have heard the comments from the public they are racist and xenophobic, the governement policies are based on that very same sentiment though they would never be silly enough to say it out loud because that would be the end of their governing.
I am not sure how the US governs their immigration policies so I won't comment on that but I'm fairly certain that movie Elysium is based upon them. It also manages to reflect Australia's pretty bloody well.
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barong
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A little known fact is that a significant number of what can be considered illegal immigrants are peoople from the UK who overstay their visa, deceptively try and organise sham marriages to stay here and job sponsorships that take away positions for citizens.
I would go so far as to say that an afghani refugee has considerably more reasons for the govt to grant citizenship that some guy for girl from England.
What's more, these UK illegals rarely make it to the detention centres, and if they do I can guarantee its not for months or years, like the human rights abuses that genuine refugees are put through
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