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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Uzziel] * 1
    #19110772 - 11/09/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Not tolerating it doesn't mean pushing your kid away, it means you're not just going to accept your 13 year old kid is smoking a pack a day and throw your hands up in the air and go "Oh well what can I do."

You're making a lot of (unfounded) assumptions based solely on your parents performance of parenting..




So what would you do then? Say NOPE? Ground the kid for a week? Take away his privileges? Not let him hang out with certain people?

How would you deal with it, exactly? How would you deal with a kid who wouldn't stop smoking when you said everything you wanted to say?

Cuz you sure as hell are sounding just like my parents. I'm speaking from experience, and while experiences may vary, I can't help but say what I lived through.





keep letting him know you dont approve, refuse to support his habit, tell
him to find work so he can buy his own cigarettes


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19110832 - 11/09/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

But if he gave you the money, would you buy them for him?


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19110836 - 11/09/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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keep letting him know you dont approve, refuse to support his habit, tell
him to find work so he can buy his own cigarettes




Refusing to support a habit is why a father no longer has his son today...its all fine and dandy with what you said unless your kid has a bit of a rebel in them like this kid did. Then you could be a father without a child..


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Uzziel]
    #19110864 - 11/09/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My father's 64 as of the other day.  Awesome man.  If he caught me smoking when I was under 18 he'd probably make me smoke the entire pack in front of him at once as a punishment, though I never got myself in that situation.  Anyway, I'm a pretty good person, I think I'd have become a piece of shit without his guidance. 

Now he doesn't care that I smoke weed, but living under his roof under 18, was his house.  When I was a kid (around 15 or 16) I did steal his jeep when he was out of town and I wrecked it in the mountains hehe.  Though I wasn't on a crazy police chase and it was also before I had my license so I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Uzziel] * 1
    #19110872 - 11/09/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Refusing to support a habit is why a father no longer has his son today...its all fine and dandy with what you said unless your kid has a bit of a rebel in them like this kid did. Then you could be a father without a child..




No it was not refusing to support his habit that got his son killed. It was the fault of the son for taking his fathers truck in an act of stupidity. It also didn't help that the kid was driving around a campus making people jump for their lives while the dumbass rammed cop cars and didn't do as the police wanted.

Good riddance.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: 4runner]
    #19110884 - 11/09/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yup, you are right. The responsibility ultimately lies upon the son for acting rash. There is no denying that.

You can't say the father couldn't have prevented this though. If the son got his cigs, I'm sure this never would of never happened like it did.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Uzziel]
    #19110904 - 11/09/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ramming police cars and speeding through traffic = bad decisions

Dad calling cops on his son who stole his vehicle to teach him a lesson wasn't a bad call, you can't blame the cops or the father for what his kid did. Sorry but anyone trying to blame anyone but the kid in this situation clearly  did not watch the video.

Maybe if the police had some sort of device to shut down the vehicle beforehand, and then give the guy a chance to get out of the truck I could see this situation defused differently.... But what would have happened if they just shouted for the kid to get out and he didn't? He could have easily ran someone trying to escape....

That kid had multiple opportunities to exit his vehicle, he didn't; instead he chose to ram police cars, speed through red lights (almost hitting other people) multiple times... The kid fucked up big time.

I think the reason why most people are so opposed to what the police did was because it was a kid driving, I wonder what kind of response people would have if this was a 30 year old black man instead?


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19110945 - 11/09/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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hindsight is a motherfucker isnt it




Indeed it is. Indeed it is.  It's a tragedy, but the kid was responsible for his actions and inevitably the reactions that followed.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Uzziel]
    #19110948 - 11/09/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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keep letting him know you dont approve, refuse to support his habit, tell
him to find work so he can buy his own cigarettes




Refusing to support a habit is why a father no longer has his son today...its all fine and dandy with what you said unless your kid has a bit of a rebel in them like this kid did. Then you could be a father without a child..





and it was the child's choice to be a complete tard about shit

should I buy my kids heroin because they wanted it?


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Uzziel]
    #19110959 - 11/09/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yup, you are right. The responsibility ultimately lies upon the son for acting rash. There is no denying that.

You can't say the father couldn't have prevented this though. If the son got his cigs, I'm sure this never would of never happened like it did.




That may be true but giving in over the smokes or not is not the real issue here. The father parking the truck across town and taking the bus home would have prevented the car chase as well, but the kid may well have run into similar trouble on some other day. If we're firing up the old time machine to go back and change circumstantial details, it might be more beneficial for the dad to go back a few more years and make some different parenting decisions. Or maybe that would make no difference, who knows.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19110971 - 11/09/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Someone just made that exact point and I already answered that question, Pris.

Tobacco isn't heroin, tobacco is all around in high school, heroin isn't.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Uzziel]
    #19110993 - 11/09/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Buying him the smokes would not address the problem of the kid being out of control nuts in the first place.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Uzziel]
    #19110997 - 11/09/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Someone just made that exact point and I already answered that question, Pris.

Tobacco isn't heroin, tobacco is all around in high school, heroin isn't.





oh, so tobacco is all around but the kids father practically killed him
because he wouldnt buy him something his son could have easily
gotten from one of his friends

when does a kid get to take responsibility for his own foolish actions


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: psi]
    #19111014 - 11/09/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Someone just made that exact point and I already answered that question, Pris.

Tobacco isn't heroin, tobacco is all around in high school, heroin isn't.





oh, so tobacco is all around but the kids father practically killed him
because he wouldnt buy him something his son could have easily
gotten from one of his friends

when does a kid get to take responsibility for his own foolish actions




I already said ultimately its the kids responsibility for acting rashly. What more can be said? :shrug:

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Buying him the smokes would not address the problem of the kid being out of control nuts in the first place.




Yeah, this is true. No denying that, he obviously had some issues going on.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Uzziel]
    #19111031 - 11/09/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well this is fucked up


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Uzziel]
    #19111037 - 11/09/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I already said ultimately its the kids responsibility for acting rashly. What more can be said? :shrug:





yet you say it was the father's fault that the kid is dead because dad wouldnt buy him cigarettes


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19111049 - 11/09/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

he's saying the dad could have done some better damage control, other then just saying "hey Cops, my son is a felon now, can you go and bring him in, thanks."

America. "taking people out from their genepool, for safety"


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Uzziel]
    #19111050 - 11/09/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Dude... its tobacco, not heroin.





Last year, 4251 people died of heroin. Last year, slightly over 5,000,000 people died of tobacco.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19111059 - 11/09/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Fucking crap dad got what the fuck he deserved. I hope he suffers for the rest of his life because of his shitty parenting and the kid burns in hell [sarcasm, fuk the police]


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19111065 - 11/09/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I already said ultimately its the kids responsibility for acting rashly. What more can be said? :shrug:





yet you say it was the father's fault that the kid is dead because dad wouldnt buy him cigarettes




No, I said he could of prevented it... but that is just foresight and not the fathers fault as he did nothing wrong. Once again you're twisting my words


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