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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#19112317 - 11/09/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Don't you see the flaw in your logic? You admit your grandparents bought you cigarettes at a young age and you wish they hadn't. Yet, you are saying that the dad in this story should have bought his 16 year old son cigarettes? That makes no sense.
He wasn't 16, he was 19.
Where does it say that? Why would a 19 year old age ask his dad for cigarettes? He can legally buy them at that point.
Numerous different articles online. I'm not really sure why he wanted his dad to get them, maybe the work truck was the only vehicle there and the son wasn't allowed to drive it. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57611421-504083/tyler-comstock-killing-iowa-police-shoot-unarmed-19-year-old-after-father-calls-authorities-to-report-the-teen-stole-his-truck/
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#19112322 - 11/09/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Humans by and large are terrible stupid ignorant beings.
With this attitude we definitely won't accomplish anything good.
Oh I'm sorry but it's the truth. Try and fucking tell us all it's not. Yeah sure there are good people and some of these good people make good things happen. But the bad outweighs the good by a lot.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Shroomslip]
#19112328 - 11/09/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: He wasn't pulling over and giving up when he got shot.. Just seconds before the shots are fired you can see he rammed the cop car, again. You can't see him actually hit the car, but the cop car is stopped and then all of a sudden it shudders, leaving only one conclusion.
That kid wasn't going to stop until either he or the truck just couldn't continue anymore..
yeah, his truck had been bashed itself, and they were driving on grass. his truck was out of control and he couldn't stop it, nor maneuver around the vehicle. there is no way for you to know if it was a vindictive move. the only actually ramming, happened when he backed up into the cop in the beginning.
I know he wasn't just giving up and stopping.. Because the truck didn't, you know.. stop. a truck doesn't just keep sliding around grass indefinitely, that only happens under power.
wow, that's genius. so you think he was still running away? 
it's car, it's supposed to move around. it's not a "weapon" like some people here claim it is. (although it can be used as one, like in the beginning of the video, and when *IRONY* THE COPS ram him.
it's hard to control a car, on grass, with police cruisers ramming you. hence why you see the truck spinning around and fishtailing into the cop car before the shots. he wasn't attacking at that point, only he was simply not stopping. which is illegal sure... not a reason to kill, though. but the definitions get all fucked up trying to defend our "valiant protectors" from any word of wrongdoing.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Blindtheeye]
#19112333 - 11/09/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Blindtheeye said: I still think the cop could have tried a little harder to pin the truck against a tree and take the kid down without lethal force. But the cop did what he did and will probably be absolved of any wrong doing and carry on like nothing happened. He didn't waste any time unloading 7 shots into that truck tho. Makes me wonder when he made up his mind that he was going to shoot the kid.
he probably wasn't thinking period because it's just his day to day waste-a-life.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: DeadHearts]
#19112336 - 11/09/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Humans by and large are terrible stupid ignorant beings.
With this attitude we definitely won't accomplish anything good.
Oh I'm sorry but it's the truth. Try and fucking tell us all it's not. Yeah sure there are good people and some of these good people make good things happen. But the bad outweighs the good by a lot.
no it doesn't. the good outweigh the bad by a long shot.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: akira_akuma]
#19112337 - 11/09/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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he probably wasn't thinking period because it's just his day to day waste-a-life.
This. Cock hungry thrill seeker of a person with a badge. Don't ya know they are better than us.
I'm surprised they all don't have ak47s and just fire into open crowds at will at this point.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: akira_akuma]
#19112338 - 11/09/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If he didn't have it floored still the truck woulda slid maybe another few feet from being rammed by the car, not looping around 20 feet and coming back to plow into the cop car like 20 seconds later..
He. Wasn't. Stopping. Period.
How hard it is to control a car on grass is irrelevant at this point.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: zZZz]
#19112339 - 11/09/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Humans by and large are terrible stupid ignorant beings.
With this attitude we definitely won't accomplish anything good.
Oh I'm sorry but it's the truth. Try and fucking tell us all it's not. Yeah sure there are good people and some of these good people make good things happen. But the bad outweighs the good by a lot.
no it doesn't. the good outweigh the bad by a long shot.
Dude what? What is the fuck are you smoking?
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Crystal G]
#19112341 - 11/09/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your exactly right, it is missing that crucial part, but you seem to biased toward the situation. You only mention the what if on one side, and in 2 posts, and in capital letters.
But there is another what if, what if HE WAS TRYING TO RUN OVER AN OFFICER ON FOOT THEN THE TRUCK BECOMES A DEADLY WEAPON AND THE OFFICERS LIFE IS NOW IN DANGER, but you are right, we simply do not know
But what we do know is if that kid did not throw a temper tantrum he would not have been in that predicament in the first place
He could have mowed some fucking lawns and went fishing for some 18 year old to buy him smokes with his hard earned money
I was not biased. In my original "what if" scenario, I said, "Maybe the driver had stopped his vehicle and was stepping out of the vehicle when he got shot. Maybe he was about to run over a cop when he got shot."
If the latter is what happened, then he deserved to have gotten shot. But if he put his vehicle in park and was on his way to open the door and get out, he had no right whatsoever to be shot. Unfortunately the video doesn't show exactly what happened, which is crucial to determining whether he should have gotten shot or not.
The police vehicle was stopped when he was shot though, which indicates to me that the suspect was not moving his vehicle at the time he was shot. If he had moved his vehicle and driven away, the cop would have gotten back inside his vehicle to chase him.
You say you are not biased, but then you finish the post by saying you think he stopped the truck. That is being bias. We cannot assume what was or wasn't doing, but from the footage hew was not in a sane state of mind and was very unpredictable showing a total disregard for any other human lives he might have ended
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: DeadHearts] 1
#19112342 - 11/09/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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im smoking teh good stuff
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19112343 - 11/09/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lets say you were driving along with your whole family and this guy plows into you killing everyone but you, leaving you paralyzed from the neck down. I bet you would be singing a different tune about this guy
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19112347 - 11/09/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you have to take into consideration that the kid was only running because the cops were chasing him
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: zZZz]
#19112352 - 11/09/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The cops were only chasing him because he was running.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19112366 - 11/09/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The little punk almost killed multiple innocent people for NO GOOD REASON, fuck him, as a citizen I would have shot the little shit myself if I had the chance, and then I would have been rewarded a metal of honor.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Shroomslip]
#19112368 - 11/09/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: If he didn't have it floored still the truck woulda slid maybe another few feet from being rammed by the car, not looping around 20 feet and coming back to plow into the cop car like 20 seconds later..
He. Wasn't. Stopping. Period.
How hard it is to control a car on grass is irrelevant at this point.
ok, i get your point, he wasn't stopping. can we get back to my point? he wasn't stopping, doesn't mean "he intentionally rammed police". not when they were on the grass anyway.
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qman said: The little punk almost killed multiple innocent people for NO GOOD REASON, fuck him, as a citizen I would have shot the little shit myself if I had the chance, and then I would have been rewarded a metal of honor.
no, ironically, you would have been arrested.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Shroomslip]
#19112371 - 11/09/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow shit the dude was 19? I thought he was underage for sure. Damn.... so he wanted his dad to just buy him cigs? Damn..... the dude had more issues than I thought.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: akira_akuma]
#19112374 - 11/09/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: If the latter is what happened, then he deserved to have gotten shot. But if he put his vehicle in park and was on his way to open the door and get out, he had no right whatsoever to be shot. Unfortunately the video doesn't show exactly what happened, which is crucial to determining whether he should have gotten shot or not.
The police vehicle was stopped when he was shot though, which indicates to me that the suspect was not moving his vehicle at the time he was shot. If he had moved his vehicle and driven away, the cop would have gotten back inside his vehicle to chase him.
he was shot because copper got hit, and felt "in danger of his life" because he was threatened. threatened means "i get to kill you", in police talk. even if you then stop, you've already "threatened", so they feel that they should prevent any harm to themselves and kill you. protect and serve.
And how many seconds or minutes ago did he hit the cop car before he was shot?
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Uzziel]
#19112380 - 11/09/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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his dad is probably idiot incarnate, so the kid was like "fuck Iowa, shit on Iowa, i'm going to ride!"
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akira_akuma said: If the latter is what happened, then he deserved to have gotten shot. But if he put his vehicle in park and was on his way to open the door and get out, he had no right whatsoever to be shot. Unfortunately the video doesn't show exactly what happened, which is crucial to determining whether he should have gotten shot or not.
The police vehicle was stopped when he was shot though, which indicates to me that the suspect was not moving his vehicle at the time he was shot. If he had moved his vehicle and driven away, the cop would have gotten back inside his vehicle to chase him.
he was shot because copper got hit, and felt "in danger of his life" because he was threatened. threatened means "i get to kill you", in police talk. even if you then stop, you've already "threatened", so they feel that they should prevent any harm to themselves and kill you. protect and serve.
And how many seconds or minutes ago did he hit the cop car before he was shot?
please, don't think i'm trying to argue against your point. i was being facetious, and hypothetically agreeing with your assertions.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: akira_akuma]
#19112392 - 11/09/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: If he didn't have it floored still the truck woulda slid maybe another few feet from being rammed by the car, not looping around 20 feet and coming back to plow into the cop car like 20 seconds later..
He. Wasn't. Stopping. Period.
How hard it is to control a car on grass is irrelevant at this point.
ok, i get your point, he wasn't stopping. can we get back to my point? he wasn't stopping, doesn't mean "he intentionally rammed police". not when they were on the grass anyway.
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qman said: The little punk almost killed multiple innocent people for NO GOOD REASON, fuck him, as a citizen I would have shot the little shit myself if I had the chance, and then I would have been rewarded a metal of honor.
no, ironically, you would have been arrested.
I don't think so, stand your ground law.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Crystal G]
#19112399 - 11/09/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This was probably already said and I don't know all the specifics of this case but...
I think police car chases are fucking stupid.
Is arresting someone really that important that you have to put so many peoples lives at risk?
They(car chases) are moronic as are a lot of other things cops do.
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