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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: zZZz]
#19112165 - 11/09/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zZZz said: there's nothing to debate here, it was everyones fault.
It was one guy's fault more than anyone else's. All he had to do was pull over the truck like any sane rational person would do (or ideally not steal it in the first place) and nobody would have been shot.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19112174 - 11/09/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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whatevs. stuff like this happens all the time. everyone wants to point fingers, find out who's fault it is. it's crazy how fucked up the world is, it seems to be getting weirder day after day.
i just read the thread about the guy who drank meth thinking it was a health drink. stuff like this creeps me out. shouldn't we be better as a society? shouldn't we be smarter? something tells me that things don't have to be this way, but then i say fuck it. it's bound to happen, why not embrace the chaos
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19112185 - 11/09/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass said:
Your exactly right, it is missing that crucial part, but you seem to biased toward the situation. You only mention the what if on one side, and in 2 posts, and in capital letters.
But there is another what if, what if HE WAS TRYING TO RUN OVER AN OFFICER ON FOOT THEN THE TRUCK BECOMES A DEADLY WEAPON AND THE OFFICERS LIFE IS NOW IN DANGER, but you are right, we simply do not know
But what we do know is if that kid did not throw a temper tantrum he would not have been in that predicament in the first place
He could have mowed some fucking lawns and went fishing for some 18 year old to buy him smokes with his hard earned money
I was not biased. In my original "what if" scenario, I said, "Maybe the driver had stopped his vehicle and was stepping out of the vehicle when he got shot. Maybe he was about to run over a cop when he got shot."
If the latter is what happened, then he deserved to have gotten shot. But if he put his vehicle in park and was on his way to open the door and get out, he had no right whatsoever to be shot. Unfortunately the video doesn't show exactly what happened, which is crucial to determining whether he should have gotten shot or not.
The police vehicle was stopped when he was shot though, which indicates to me that the suspect was not moving his vehicle at the time he was shot. If he had moved his vehicle and driven away, the cop would have gotten back inside his vehicle to chase him.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Crystal G]
#19112192 - 11/09/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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shooting somebody isn't goin to stop a moving vehical it' would probably do the opposite actually
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19112193 - 11/09/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass said: He could have mowed some fucking lawns and went fishing for some 18 year old to buy him smokes with his hard earned money
He was 19.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Crystal G]
#19112230 - 11/09/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said:
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LiquidGlass said:
Your exactly right, it is missing that crucial part, but you seem to biased toward the situation. You only mention the what if on one side, and in 2 posts, and in capital letters.
But there is another what if, what if HE WAS TRYING TO RUN OVER AN OFFICER ON FOOT THEN THE TRUCK BECOMES A DEADLY WEAPON AND THE OFFICERS LIFE IS NOW IN DANGER, but you are right, we simply do not know
But what we do know is if that kid did not throw a temper tantrum he would not have been in that predicament in the first place
He could have mowed some fucking lawns and went fishing for some 18 year old to buy him smokes with his hard earned money
I was not biased. In my original "what if" scenario, I said, "Maybe the driver had stopped his vehicle and was stepping out of the vehicle when he got shot. Maybe he was about to run over a cop when he got shot."
If the latter is what happened, then he deserved to have gotten shot. But if he put his vehicle in park and was on his way to open the door and get out, he had no right whatsoever to be shot. Unfortunately the video doesn't show exactly what happened, which is crucial to determining whether he should have gotten shot or not.
The police vehicle was stopped when he was shot though, which indicates to me that the suspect was not moving his vehicle at the time he was shot. If he had moved his vehicle and driven away, the cop would have gotten back inside his vehicle to chase him.
he was shot because copper got hit, and felt "in danger of his life" because he was threatened. threatened means "i get to kill you", in police talk. even if you then stop, you've already "threatened", so they feel that they should prevent any harm to themselves and kill you. protect and serve.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Uzziel]
#19112248 - 11/09/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: I'll be right there to let him know it's not okay and I won't tolerate it.
Yeah... I was waiting for this. It aint about your kid... its about you. Go ahead.. push your kid away just like my parents did to me.
I'm not saying to just let him do whatever he wants, I'm saying that if the kid has his mindset stuck.. you can only help them work through it and try and provide alternatives and educate them, getting mad at your kid will make them mad and escalate an unnecessary situation (this thread for instance...)
Saying NO I DON'T TOLERATE IT won't change shit FFS....

Don't you see the flaw in your logic? You admit your grandparents bought you cigarettes at a young age and you wish they hadn't. Yet, you are saying that the dad in this story should have bought his 16 year old son cigarettes? That makes no sense.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Crystal G]
#19112265 - 11/09/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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He wasn't pulling over and giving up when he got shot.. Just seconds before the shots are fired you can see he rammed the cop car, again. You can't see him actually hit the car, but the cop car is stopped and then all of a sudden it shudders, leaving only one conclusion.
That kid wasn't going to stop until either he or the truck just couldn't continue anymore..
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#19112269 - 11/09/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Don't you see the flaw in your logic? You admit your grandparents bought you cigarettes at a young age and you wish they hadn't. Yet, you are saying that the dad in this story should have bought his 16 year old son cigarettes? That makes no sense.
He wasn't 16, he was 19.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: psi]
#19112275 - 11/09/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psi said:
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Don't you see the flaw in your logic? You admit your grandparents bought you cigarettes at a young age and you wish they hadn't. Yet, you are saying that the dad in this story should have bought his 16 year old son cigarettes? That makes no sense.
He wasn't 16, he was 19.
He's also confusing 2 different people becuase I'm the one who had his grandparents buy him cigarettes and wish they didn't and Uzziel is the one who said he shoulda just bought him the cigs.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#19112279 - 11/09/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said:
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Uzziel said:
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Shroomslip said: I'll be right there to let him know it's not okay and I won't tolerate it.
Yeah... I was waiting for this. It aint about your kid... its about you. Go ahead.. push your kid away just like my parents did to me.
I'm not saying to just let him do whatever he wants, I'm saying that if the kid has his mindset stuck.. you can only help them work through it and try and provide alternatives and educate them, getting mad at your kid will make them mad and escalate an unnecessary situation (this thread for instance...)
Saying NO I DON'T TOLERATE IT won't change shit FFS....

Don't you see the flaw in your logic? You admit your grandparents bought you cigarettes at a young age and you wish they hadn't. Yet, you are saying that the dad in this story should have bought his 16 year old son cigarettes? That makes no sense.
this is some great psychotherapy. YES, it does make sense. a contradiction between his experiences and someone else's experiences are... completely irrelevant to his point.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: psi]
#19112285 - 11/09/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psi said:
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Don't you see the flaw in your logic? You admit your grandparents bought you cigarettes at a young age and you wish they hadn't. Yet, you are saying that the dad in this story should have bought his 16 year old son cigarettes? That makes no sense.
He wasn't 16, he was 19.
Where does it say that? Why would a 19 year old age ask his dad for cigarettes? He can legally buy them at that point.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Shroomslip]
#19112288 - 11/09/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: He wasn't pulling over and giving up when he got shot.. Just seconds before the shots are fired you can see he rammed the cop car, again. You can't see him actually hit the car, but the cop car is stopped and then all of a sudden it shudders, leaving only one conclusion.
That kid wasn't going to stop until either he or the truck just couldn't continue anymore..
yeah, his truck had been bashed itself, and they were driving on grass. his truck was out of control and he couldn't stop it, nor maneuver around the vehicle. there is no way for you to know if it was a vindictive move. the only actually ramming, happened when he backed up into the cop in the beginning.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Envix]
#19112290 - 11/09/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Envix said: whatevs. stuff like this happens all the time. everyone wants to point fingers, find out who's fault it is. it's crazy how fucked up the world is, it seems to be getting weirder day after day.
i just read the thread about the guy who drank meth thinking it was a health drink. stuff like this creeps me out. shouldn't we be better as a society? shouldn't we be smarter? something tells me that things don't have to be this way, but then i say fuck it. it's bound to happen, why not embrace the chaos
We should be smarter. All the ducking knowledge in the world is out of finger tips. Technology is improving so rapidly it's not even funny. Yet weed is ilegal all over and there is constant war.
Humans by and large are terrible stupid ignorant beings.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: akira_akuma]
#19112299 - 11/09/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said:
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lifeiswhatyoumake said:
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Uzziel said:
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Shroomslip said: I'll be right there to let him know it's not okay and I won't tolerate it.
Yeah... I was waiting for this. It aint about your kid... its about you. Go ahead.. push your kid away just like my parents did to me.
I'm not saying to just let him do whatever he wants, I'm saying that if the kid has his mindset stuck.. you can only help them work through it and try and provide alternatives and educate them, getting mad at your kid will make them mad and escalate an unnecessary situation (this thread for instance...)
Saying NO I DON'T TOLERATE IT won't change shit FFS....

Don't you see the flaw in your logic? You admit your grandparents bought you cigarettes at a young age and you wish they hadn't. Yet, you are saying that the dad in this story should have bought his 16 year old son cigarettes? That makes no sense.
this is some great psychotherapy. YES, it does make sense. a contradiction between his experiences and someone else's experiences are... completely irrelevant to his point.
Stop boolshiting.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: akira_akuma]
#19112305 - 11/09/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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PS: these cops could not give a flying fuck over whether they were killing someone's kid, or whether or not the dad wanted them to take him in. they just saw a "threat", because that's how idiots train idiots to do idiotic things.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: DeadHearts]
#19112307 - 11/09/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Humans by and large are terrible stupid ignorant beings.
With this attitude we definitely won't accomplish anything good.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: akira_akuma]
#19112309 - 11/09/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: He wasn't pulling over and giving up when he got shot.. Just seconds before the shots are fired you can see he rammed the cop car, again. You can't see him actually hit the car, but the cop car is stopped and then all of a sudden it shudders, leaving only one conclusion.
That kid wasn't going to stop until either he or the truck just couldn't continue anymore..
yeah, his truck had been bashed itself, and they were driving on grass. his truck was out of control and he couldn't stop it, nor maneuver around the vehicle. there is no way for you to know if it was a vindictive move. the only actually ramming, happened when he backed up into the cop in the beginning.
I know he wasn't just giving up and stopping.. Because the truck didn't, you know.. stop. a truck doesn't just keep sliding around grass indefinitely, that only happens under power.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: DeadHearts]
#19112314 - 11/09/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
Stop boolshiting.
that's weird. i'm the only one quoted as saying what ISN'T bullshit.
"a contradiction between his experiences and someone else's experiences are... completely irrelevant to his point."
or anyone else's point of reference of personal experience.
it's simple, irrefutable logic.
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: akira_akuma]
#19112316 - 11/09/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I still think the cop could have tried a little harder to pin the truck against a tree and take the kid down without lethal force. But the cop did what he did and will probably be absolved of any wrong doing and carry on like nothing happened. He didn't waste any time unloading 7 shots into that truck tho. Makes me wonder when he made up his mind that he was going to shoot the kid.
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