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Revemu

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Coir-tek isn't pinning
#19104028 - 11/08/13 05:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi there,
First of all I would like to get some help from your community. I've colonized a half-brick coir and verm mix, I put it into a sack and let sat for a week. After full colonization I dropped some mor coir-verm mix to the top of it to make a casing layer but I failed in it because the whole got colonized. I thought this is not a problem so A week ago I started to FAE it and tried to reduce the temperature. I'm working with P.C. Pensa Cola if it's important. RH never falls below 90% but never reach 95%. Temp is room temerature between 22 and 24°C. My question is that these values are okay for fruiting? Imma busy sometimes so all I can do is FAE 4 times or 5 a day, Is that enough? I can't see any pins and a week already gone. Did I do something wrong? What should I change? What's the optimal temp to pinning shrooms? Maybe a CFL lamp would help the trigger? All informative answers are welcome and thank you!! Here are some photos about the tek:


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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Revemu]
#19104066 - 11/08/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Revemu said: I put it into a sack
Started getting increasingly confused from this point. What do you mean you put it in a sack??
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Revemu

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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19104171 - 11/08/13 06:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I mean, following damion's tek by sterilizing the coir-verm mix in a bucket with hot water, after it turned cool I mixed with only 1 grinded PF cake, and now here comes a black plastic bag which I meant as sack; I simply poured the materials from the bucket and formed a brick from it and then it became totally colonized then just cutted the unneccessary parts from the bag to let light in the box, and started FAEing etc.. I hope I'm just impatient and pins are going to come out soon...
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Revemu]
#19104187 - 11/08/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yr substrate looks like it's doing OK...I can't believe it has colonised that far thought with only one pf cake as spawn??? Is it sat in a laundry basket? What kind of fruiting chamber are you using??
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19104329 - 11/08/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't have high hopes for a single cake spawned to a half brick of coir. I would have used upwards of 12 cakes if I were going to use cakes. Also the bucket pasteurization is not proper pasteurization which increases your success rate.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (11/08/13 08:25 AM)
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MisterDeadeye


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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19104334 - 11/08/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It looks too dry. You need lots of excess moisture that you force to evaporate with FAE. Have you misted at all? I suggest a very heavy misting and a good minute long fanning. Then mist again. Then fan again. A couple hours later, mist and fan as normal.
You can't trust those hygrometers. If you don't feel the humidity when you put your hand in the fruiting chamber, it's not humid enough. If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.
Edit: Be prepared, you'll have a bunch of cronies telling you that you're wasting time with the bucket tek. I have personally had 100% success with it; if it works for you, use it until it doesn't work.
Edited by MisterDeadeye (11/08/13 08:29 AM)
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MisterDeadeye said: If you don't feel the humidity when you put your hand in the fruiting chamber, it's not humid enough. If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.
Please stop.....You cannot feel humidity with your hand, and condensation is not an indicator of high RH.
Condensation is from a temperature differential, not from high humidity.
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Edited by PussyFart (11/08/13 10:07 AM)
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19105124 - 11/08/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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MisterDeadeye said: If you don't feel the humidity when you put your hand in the fruiting chamber, it's not humid enough. If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.
Please stop.....You cannot feel humidity with your hand, and condensation is not an indicator of high RH.
Condensation is from a temperature differential, not from high humidity.
You're funny. You know the best part of your 14k posts? It's almost all pasted from TCs and RR. You don't have an original thought of your own. The rest is stupid stuff like the post I'm quoting now. You can feel humidity. Fact.
If there is no moisture on the sides of the tub, no moisture on the sub itself, and the inside of the fruiting chamber feels no different to the hand, it's not humid enough.
I don't have a txt file with RR's posts on hand, but how about some links?
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/190/
I know, RR's name is nowhere near the site. But you have to understand, that's okay.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_humidity
Read "Other Important Facts". Namely, this: "For a given dewpoint and its corresponding absolute humidity, the relative humidity will change inversely, albeit nonlinearly, with the temperature. This is because the partial pressure of water increases with temperature – the operative principle behind everything from hair dryers to dehumidifiers.
Due to the increasing potential for a higher water vapor partial pressure at higher air temperatures, the water content of air at sea level can get as high as 3% by mass at 30 °C (86 °F) compared to no more than about 0.5% by mass at 0 °C (32 °F). This explains the low levels (in the absence of measures to add moisture) of humidity in heated structures during winter, resulting in dry skin, itchy eyes, and persistence of static electric charges. Even with saturation (100% relative humidity) outdoors, heating of infiltrated outside air that comes indoors raises its moisture capacity, which lowers relative humidity and increases evaporation rates from moist surfaces indoors (including human bodies and household plants.)
Similarly, during summer in humid climates a great deal of liquid water condenses from air cooled in air conditioners. Warmer air is cooled below its dewpoint, and the excess water vapor condenses. This phenomenon is the same as that which causes water droplets to form on the outside of a cup containing an ice-cold drink."
Yes, of course condensation has to do with temperature change. But where does the condensation come from? It doesn't just appear out of nowhere. It comes from the moisture in the air. Which has pressure. Which you can feel.
I'd really appreciate it if you'd leave some threads alone. Your inability to comprehend actual things really makes you look like an idiot a lot of the time.
Edited by MisterDeadeye (11/08/13 11:25 AM)
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19105151 - 11/08/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes but we can't judge our rh by condensation alone as condensation will appear even in a low rh, or if you have enough fae you may not see any condensation at all and
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: cronicr]
#19105194 - 11/08/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cronicr said: yes but we can't judge our rh by condensation alone as condensation will appear even in a low rh, or if you have enough fae you may not see any condensation at all and
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I used more words in that sentence. You should look at them.
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no thnx, i know about condensaion/rh for our use and have no reason to
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Skinty
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MisterDeadeye said:
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Notahacker420 said:
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MisterDeadeye said: If you don't feel the humidity when you put your hand in the fruiting chamber, it's not humid enough. If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.
Please stop.....You cannot feel humidity with your hand, and condensation is not an indicator of high RH.
Condensation is from a temperature differential, not from high humidity.
You're funny.
Not really interested in the slagging off bit but just to say - your hand is not a very good or reliable judge of RH
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: cronicr]
#19105244 - 11/08/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you.......fruiting in a laundry basket?
The sub looks good, especially for colonizing it in a "sack"
If I'm reading this correctly you put down a casing but it colonized instead of fruiting. This time don't put a casing layer on it. Just mist and fan. And if your "tub" only gets FAE when you fan you should add some holes with a filter material so you can get some passive fae. If you have already done that just keep misting and fanning.
edit - meant to reply to op, not sure how to fix it
Edited by Juicin (11/08/13 11:49 AM)
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MisterDeadeye


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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19105251 - 11/08/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The sensor in your hygrometer isn't accurate. Look around and you'll see why we don't use them. They don't work. I'm correct in assuming the device in your chamber is a hygrometer, right? That's why you have specific percentages of humidity?
Oh, and our bodies are built to note changes in the atmosphere. They're more reliable than you'd think.
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MisterDeadeye said: The sensor in your hygrometer isn't accurate. Look around and you'll see why we don't use them. They don't work. I'm correct in assuming the device in your chamber is a hygrometer, right? That's why you have specific percentages of humidity?
Oh, and our bodies are built to note changes in the atmosphere. They're more reliable than you'd think.
Hygrometers are inaccurate. Your hand is inaccurate. I sense changes in atmospheric pressure / humidity with my senses...yes....but not with my hand 
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19105307 - 11/08/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow...talk about a handfull....lol
Yes, my posts make me look like an idiot....
At least i don't tell people that lots of condensation means you have high humidity.
Look at a SGFC....100% humidity with 0 condensation...how on earth can that happen?
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19105336 - 11/08/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Wow...talk about a handfull....lol
Yes, my posts make me look like an idiot....
At least i don't tell people that lots of condensation means you have high humidity.
Look at a SGFC....100% humidity with 0 condensation...how on earth can that happen?
That's not what I said. I wonder how long this conversation is going to go on before you realize that you can't pick a fight with everyone here and that you aren't right all of the time. Reread the post or don't. I don't care, the logic behind it stands.
Edit: About the SGFC. I have seen this thread before. Whenever someone mentions condensation as an indicator of high humidity, you go on about the SGFC.
The SGFC has constant FAE. There isn't much of a temperature differential so there is no condensation. Condensation indicates high humidity. All of these statements are factual.
Monotubs aren't SGFCs. There is typically less FAE and there is a temperature differential. The condensation occurs because the temperature is higher in the tub and there is a lot of moisture in the air. Once again, condensation in a monotub indicates high humidity.
Edited by MisterDeadeye (11/08/13 12:16 PM)
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don't judge rh with your hand, use good judgement or an anolog hygrometer. for our obby condensation doesn't mean our rh is perfect.
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Notahacker420 said: At least i don't tell people that lots of condensation means you have high humidity.
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MisterDeadeye That's not what I said.
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MisterDeadeye said: If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.

Just because there is condensation on the walls and on the surface of the substrate, still does not mean the humidity is good enough.
Again, using your logic, a SGFC should have condensation or the humidity is not high enough....but this is just not the case.
Bulk substrates in monotubs create 10+ degrees of heat easily...this is why there is condensation.
Even if the RH was 10%, with that temperature differential, there would still be condensation.
So how does what you said make any type of sense?
Not trying to argue here, but I go over this shit everyday....it's kinda getting old.
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: cronicr]
#19105401 - 11/08/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cronicr said: don't judge rh with your hand, use good judgement or an anolog hygrometer. for our obby condensation doesn't mean our rh is perfect.
You don't care to read through my post again, so I'll reiterate for you because you've taken offense to the tone I took with 420.
I told him that if he cannot feel moisture in the tub with his hand, if there is no moisture on the substrate, and if there is no condensation, then the RH is low. Those three things are what you're referring to by good judgment. That is how you judge, by looking and feeling.
I never said condensation is required for a usable humidity. Seriously, I feel like these posts are falling on deaf ears.
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