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Fruiting This HPoo casing is it ready to fruit?
    #19102294 - 11/07/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

]I spawned a pint of birdseed and two half pints into hpoo using roadkills tech.  I started them 10/22 and just took them out 11/6. I think I maybe should have used less horse poo because it took longer to colonize luckily I didn't get a contam at least not yet I usually get them right as they began fruiting with horsepoo and a couple of my jars were con tam so I couldn't use them all.  Does more manure colinzed = more fruits ???

What do you think is it time to put them in fruiting?



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Re: Fruiting This HPoo casing is it ready to fruit? [Re: FuzzyShark]
    #19102514 - 11/07/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

give it a couple more days


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Re: Fruiting This HPoo casing is it ready to fruit? [Re: cronicr]
    #19102653 - 11/07/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

cronicr, if my memory serves me right, you're an advocate for the benefits of a casing layer. My bad if I'm wrong :lol:

I also agree that a few days wait is ahead, but should he not case now if he is planning to case at all?

I can't tell if he's talking about casing it(as we use casing modernly), or if he's calling the substrate a casing like they used to do back in the day. If so, we can go ahead and squash that so there is no further confusion.

Substrate - the assortment of "food" prepared for the mycelium to colonize and eventually produce fruits from.
Casing - a non-nutritive layer added on top of the substrate; used to create and keep the substrate humidity level at near 100%. This is to help stimulate growth, in an environment mushrooms - baby mushrooms especially - love.

Here is the casing layer information if you're interested. Some people find them beneficial and some people find them just unnecessary for cubensis. Up to you.


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Re: Fruiting This HPoo casing is it ready to fruit? [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #19103307 - 11/07/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pardon my nomenclature, im a bit stoned and zoneked :laugh:
what I meant to say was substrate, which in this case is hpoo.

On another note, i was wondering Does more manure colinzed = more fruits?

And should i put the ductape back over the holes or will the polyfill suffice? '

they were given a couple good fannings but no misting

any help is appreciated


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Re: Fruiting This HPoo casing is it ready to fruit? [Re: FuzzyShark]
    #19103365 - 11/07/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes more colonized substrate, in your case hpoo, equals more fruits. However, like you alluded to, the less spawn you use the higher risk of contams. I have my first grow with hpoo going right now. I have noticed that it is not consolidating very fast as compared to coir. Are you finding the same thing?


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Re: Fruiting This HPoo casing is it ready to fruit? [Re: shroomnub4u]
    #19104974 - 11/08/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

From my humble trials and personal experience haven't noticed Hpoo colonizing any slower, in fact, it appears the mycelium vigorously consumes the hpoo a bit faster than the coir. The fruits from all the HPoo grows have produced more bountiful flushes, more weight and healthier fruit bodies than my coco coir. And composted hpoo is free as compared to coir which is $5 a brick. If you need a horse manure source PM me I can hook you up with a site so you get decent horse manure.  I am not knocking coco coir bought me in a few nice flushes. Almost every time I've used it it colonization speed is lame and then two-three weeks later when it's finally complete contam city everywhere.
IME, horse manure blowa strong mycelium foothold and it seems to colonize slow as hell making it more susceptible

Your mycelium and hpoo mixture maybe be imbalanced. I always like to toss and extra WBS jar just for get measure. You'd be surprised at the difference by adding just one more jar of myc than what the recipe called for.  The faster your myc gains fully colonization over hpoo while it's counterpart is still lagging behind, it opens a window of opportunity for contams to enter; even if that window of is 1-2 days that could be the difference of losing your entire tub. In a nutshell if you're going to go bulk I suggest you spawn with wbs to hpoo. It has proven to be a superior substrate over coir every time I have used it. 
Once you get a contam, particularly in giant tubs you can pretty much toss all that hard work and materials out the window, unless you happen to have access to horse/cow manure some hay. Outdoor teks really work..hell, last summer I tossed out several around this mans cow field who gives us permission to fish there in his pond near his cow field. Of course we waited one day when he was gone dug a huge hole in the horse pasture buried the myc. 3 or 4 months later we went back to go fishing not expecting any but they were few and far between. And then I think we went back about 2 months later and shroom heaven, everywhere you stepped almost you'd find one. They looked like the failed B+ I tossed but an outdoor cap is so much wider and the cap looked nothing like it.
I've seen pin point size contams(the green ones) destroy tubs fully roped with health mycelium. Every effort to save the rest of how work was a lost cause no matter how sterile we were in extracting the contam. Sure it would stall it for a couple days if we were lucky then the next day it's taking over your myc.  Some molds are different and there have been cases of successfully extracting it when you catch it in it's early stages. method you try to remove it is ultimately futile, partly because as soon as you bump a foreign culture, billions more float around in the air.
 

Are you using the same fruiting tub with all the same modifications? What procedures are you doing differently from the hpoo vs. the coir?  Not all horse manure is worth a shit.  Fresh is gross and disgusting, make sure you fine the composted stuff that's relatively dry and has, for the most part, the most straight manure you can possibly collect.

into both of these substrates... Coco coir seems to colonize a tad faster as opposed to manure. But I've noticed more contams using coir than horse poo. Even after researching the Hpoo and Coir guides step by step I still can't stop these contams. If I am lucky I get to pick the healthy shrooms growing away from the dreaded contams that seem to pop up right as pinning or fruiting beings in early stages. My point being is I am super sterile, I pasteurize some of the composted healthiest looking horse poo the stuff looks perfectly composted and rich. This is essential because often times horse manure are full of critters, weeds, dead grass, maggots.  Horse manure, hands down if you just need a thermometer and access to the good shit. (no pun intended)

Dunno what I am seeing being done so wrong with the coir when the HPoo does fine.


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Re: Fruiting This HPoo casing is it ready to fruit? [Re: shroomnub4u]
    #19105100 - 11/08/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Horse manure seems to colonize faster as opposed to manure. Maybe it's the climate? But I've noticed more contams using coir than horse poo, as well as slower colonization periods using the same ratios. Even after researching the Hpoo and Coir guides step by step I still can't stop these contams.
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f I am lucky I get to pick the healthy mushrooms growing away from the dreaded contams that seem to pop up right as pinning or fruiting beings in early stages. My point being is I am super sterile, I pasteurize some of the dries healthiest looking horse poo the stuff looks perfectly composted and rich. For once I would just like to go from flush to harvest using bulk methods without seeing a contam. I am extremely OCD by nature anyway and a germ freak so I am super sterile at all times.



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Yes more colonized substrate, in your case hpoo, equals more fruits. However, like you alluded to, the less spawn you use the higher risk of contams. I have my first grow with hpoo going right now. I have noticed that it is not consolidating very fast as compared to coir. Are you finding the same thing?






I am going to need to ask you more questions to figure out what's going on with your substrate.  Because it could be so many different things it's hard to pinpoint precisely the exact culprit.

What guide did you follow? Are you adding just straight coir or what? Hpoo for me blows coir out of the water when it comes to colonizing speed. Again this is just personal experience, your mileage may vary. Are you saying that the coir is speeding up fast for you?

The less spawn you use simply means it's more susceptible to dreaded contams that goes for any substrate you spawn WBS to horsepoo, coir pecially when your ratio of substrate volume is significantly higher. which is important that you keep the ratio 60/40 hpoo/spawn  If you don't have enough spawn try dividing your rubbermaid shoebox size, small aluminum 3in thick pans, old cd spindle cases, tupperware etc be creative.
If one goes bad you got back up, less chance of everyone going bad. However, if you got plenty of spawn then just stick with the 60/40 ratio always more spawn than substrate if you can help it.

Every grower needs this in his arsenal if you're growing with Hpoo: Tried and trusted tek pictorial hpoo:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=logs&Number=723303&Searchpage=3&Main=723303&Words=Roadkill&topic=&Search=true#Post723303


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Re: Fruiting This HPoo casing is it ready to fruit? [Re: FuzzyShark]
    #19127300 - 11/12/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I used like 75% hpoo 25% verm. I think I may have gotten my moisture content a little too high. Another thing I found cause slow colonizing was that after mixing in my grain I was always putting a thin layer of hpoo over the top to make sure no grains were exposed. Since then I have just been mixing the sub and grains together and not worrying about the grains on top and my colonizating time has drastically increased.


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Re: Fruiting This HPoo casing is it ready to fruit? [Re: shroomnub4u]
    #19127320 - 11/12/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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cronicr, if my memory serves me right, you're an advocate for the benefits of a casing layer. My bad if I'm wrong :lol:





LOL!no i'm no i just don't lik when people say"cubes don't benifit from one', rater then 'it's ntneccesary". of course they benifit from one but you can achieve the same results with out one,


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I used like 75% hpoo 25% verm. I think I may have gotten my moisture content a little too high. Another thing I found cause slow colonizing was that after mixing in my grain I was always putting a thin layer of hpoo over the top to make sure no grains were exposed. Since then I have just been mixing the sub and grains together and not worrying about the grains on top and my colonizating time has drastically increased.



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