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First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain
    #19104250 - 11/08/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hello,

I have been lurking for a while and finally decided to give it a real shot this past week. I soaked for 12 hours in water/gypsum and may have slightly over simmered after that as around 2-3% of the grains have busted. But anyways I pressure cooked them for 90 minutes at 15 psi and let it cool over night. When i took them out today there was some condensation on the side of the glass. the bottom half inch or so looks a little more moist than the rest of the grain in the jar but maybe this is normal since i let it sit for 6 hours? Let me know what you think and if i should redo my jars.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19104278 - 11/08/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They look a little moist to my eye but not terrible. Ya got some burst grains in there as well. Maybe give em a shake to redistribute the moisture. Next time ease up on the simmer a bit.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19104368 - 11/08/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So these are workable? I just prepared another batch soaking right now anyways. Just incase.

And this was the only jar I didnt shake. It did look a lot better after shaking but wanted to give you all a pic of it straight out of the pc. I have I did buy extra spores for my trial and error periodi guess ill give these a go. Thanks for the quick reply Pasty


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19104378 - 11/08/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yea, they dont look too bad to me.  definitly shake em up.  bang on a bike tire, phone book, soft ground, or carpet.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19104825 - 11/08/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Looks good OP, do some agar plates as well, make grain masters, do g2g's and take spore prints keep the cycle going.

I break em up with my fist and actually its all ive done. Though when breaking up fully colonized jars it can hurt my fist a bit and if the jar breaks on your fist that would really suck. I recommend using a clean brand new inflated bike tire.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: OregonMushys]
    #19104987 - 11/08/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I usually just use the palm of my hand to break up jars. OP those should be fine. If your using ms solution to inoculate, just try to not use too much, and they will be good :thumbup:


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19105039 - 11/08/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I usually just use the palm of my hand to break up jars. OP those should be fine. If your using ms solution to inoculate, just try to not use too much, and they will be good :thumbup:




lol, tru. i was thinking colonized. 

i actually do too even on most of my colonized jars.  but now and then there are those stubborn chunks that i gotta take to a bike tire or the carpet and the like.  also, whenever im breaking up jars, its almost always 14 jars at a given time as thats how many my PC holds, so when i do transfers, i nocc up 14 at a time.  if not 28 when i do two batches.  so, my hand gets to hurting if i gotta break up 14-28 colonized jars.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19105138 - 11/08/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yer just a pussy :lol:


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19105179 - 11/08/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if they were dry before you started then it's normal to see some moisture the next day but it should go away as it gets to rom temp


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: cronicr]
    #19106035 - 11/08/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the help everyone.
Oregonmushy - I do plan on getting my agar supplies while the jars are colonizing. And I planned to do isolates as well. I did not read anything about a master grain jar buti will look into that. Soon as I get off work I need to make my work box and inoculate these jars here.


Cronicr - they were not dry before the pc. I soaked them for 12 hours. Prior to pc. However at the time of the picture they were not at room temperature. They were still a slightly warm to the touch


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19106050 - 11/08/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i don't mean like dry just dry o the outside, normal to see some moisture for a litttle while ater you pc them but thegrains should absorb it all back up as they cool


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19106083 - 11/08/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe give em a shake to redistribute the moisture. Next time ease up on the simmer a bit.





this

your goal should be for your grains to move freely once out of the pc.

i use wbs and it takes a few rips to get the moisture content of your grains right but once you do they should roll around like bbs


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19106143 - 11/08/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A grain master is a fully colonized fresh generation jar (one which hasnt yet been g2g'd)...When you take a fully colonized 'grain master' and g2g it into 9 more jars, those 9 jars are f1(1st gen) culture. If you g2g those 9 jars into 81 more jars, the 81 jars will all be f2(2nd gen), and so forth. Go past f3 and the mycelium will be a lot weaker due to senescence. A grain master is usually inoculated with an agar wedge from a fresh gen culture or with spores, so it can endure all the g2g's without succumbing to senescence.

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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: OregonMushys]
    #19106164 - 11/08/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i get what your saying and all but generations are defined by growing out your culture.

  Don't confuse grain to grain transfers, etc., as generations even though a well-known book got it wrong 30 years ago.

Spores to fruits constitute a generation.  You are the next generation from your parents.  Your kids will be the next generation from you.

If you're skinny and then get fat(expanded) it isn't a generation, it's beer.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: cronicr]
    #19107206 - 11/08/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Gotcha.

I am starting to think maybe i pokes too big of holes in the jar lids? I punched 4 holes in each lid with a 1/4inch drill bit.

Edit: Actually now that I look at it I don't think I even punched it all the way through. Just the top piece of the 1/4in drillbit got all the way through


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19111257 - 11/09/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ok now I think I officially messed up my jars. I left the foil on because I was too busy to innoc right when they were ready and the lids have started to rust. Should I just attempt to innoc anyways or are they as good as gone?


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19111267 - 11/09/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if this is fresh out of the pressure cooker, and you pressure cooked the grain right after hydrating it in a pot on the stove, then a little moisture like this is no big deal really.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19111269 - 11/09/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

WTF? You only need one hole with a filter and a hole with a self healing port or silicon if you plan to inoculate outside of a SAB with a syringe :shrug: if you got 4 unfiltered holes that jar is fucked.


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    #19111278 - 11/09/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If he has kept the foil on the entire time, it is possible that contamination would find it hard to enter the jar. proper filtration should be implemented on the next round for sure,


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    #19111299 - 11/09/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Even if he has, how is he going to nock it up with out removing the foil? I guess he could nock them up in a SAB and leave them in it until full colonization but I think it would be easier to make proper lids and start over.


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