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Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books 1
#19105032 - 11/08/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was told phone books were great for breaking up jars
LIES EITHER my jars suck or this is a lie I have broken 3 jars this way and just sliced the fuck out of my hand and im a small 110lb guy im not exactly slamming these hard
SO SO done with jars
BAG ALL THE WAY
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
#19105040 - 11/08/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Use a tire, or the edge of a matress
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
#19105042 - 11/08/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use the bottom of a Timberland boot.
I have broke 1 jar this way, and cut my leg, and partially my hand.
I think the jar had a fracture in it to begin with.
Needless to say I wear leather gloves when I break up my jars now....lol.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: MandooPandoo] 1
#19105046 - 11/08/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bags , No more jars So tired of all the hassles they bring
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
#19105064 - 11/08/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've noticed with different "strains" that the myc can be harder to break up.
my Orissa India breaks up WAY easier than my P Menace. Also I have broken a jar just by shaking (no banging) but it could have had a crack I was unaware of.
I use jars and bags.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
#19105072 - 11/08/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just break up everything on my leg. Never broke a jar, or my leg and I've prolly done over 100 in the past month. If I did break one, though... I would eat all the glass shards afterwards... sissies.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: krikkrew]
#19105077 - 11/08/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do 100 jars at a time.
There would be no meat left on my leg.....lol
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
#19105082 - 11/08/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i use a bike tire, or carpet time to time. either way, i hear ya on switchin to bags. i plan on making an investment in bags once im able. even just loading jars is quite a hassle comparatively. heavy, bulky. such maintenance between cleaning, making lids. ive been fixin to make some good lids, like sfds or get a bunch of plastics. but, i think ill just go the bag route. are any bags reusable?
not sure what ill do with all my jars? lol. i have well over 100. but i gather ill just can up a shit ton of veggies, sauces and jams and such, which i do already, but maybe just work on making myself a legit stockpile of a pantry. although, ill have to invest in a ton of new lids as all of mine have holes in them
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: PussyFart]
#19105085 - 11/08/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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for real , once I get my place to myself Thats the kinda rate I wanna work at
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
#19105440 - 11/08/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its all about agar and g2g. With agar and g2g, you can get 100 jars from just 1 or 2 grain masters in a matter of weeks. You can make 1 or 2 grain masters from one petri plate, and you can make several petri plates from 1 small drop of spore solution. Do the math.
It all starts from 1 spore drop on a petri, transfer myc into like 3 plates, those 3 plates can inoculate like 6 grain masters. Those 6 grain masters can be g2g'd into like 4,000 more jars before senescense will start to come into role. The more grain masters you got, the more jars you can g2g without sensecence becoming an issue.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: OregonMushys]
#19105466 - 11/08/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's really not that hard to judge how hard to hit or not to hit a jar against another material! Don't hit it so hard that it will break - pretty obvious?
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: OregonMushys]
#19105712 - 11/08/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Obviously I didnt hit it hard , Ive been breaking jars up for over a year now , I think I would know how hard to hit a jar *facepalm*Quote:
OregonMushys said: Its all about agar and g2g. With agar and g2g, you can get 100 jars from just 1 or 2 grain masters in a matter of weeks. You can make 1 or 2 grain masters from one petri plate, and you can make several petri plates from 1 small drop of spore solution. Do the math.
It all starts from 1 spore drop on a petri, transfer myc into like 3 plates, those 3 plates can inoculate like 6 grain masters. Those 6 grain masters can be g2g'd into like 4,000 more jars before senescense will start to come into role. The more grain masters you got, the more jars you can g2g without sensecence becoming an issue.
ONCE i get a LFH I will be doing agar G2G
Maybe from petri dish to bag or maybe ill do petri to jar to bag
But in the long run Im tired of getting cut , dealing with rusty lids , Cleaning contamed jars etc
I personally love bags Im sure I am biased due to this
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
#19105721 - 11/08/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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or you can try platic pp5's...
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: cronicr]
#19105729 - 11/08/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tried it , dont like how they fit in my pc
And last time I used them they warped under the weight of the ones on top
Once of my favorite things I like about spawn bags is how easy it is to squish all the clumps to look for contams
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
#19105917 - 11/08/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kalypto said: Obviously I didnt hit it hard , Ive been breaking jars up for over a year now , I think I would know how hard to hit a jar *facepalm*
How did it break then? xxx
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Skinty]
#19105930 - 11/08/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I must be the only one but I just bang it the floor with a towel 2 layers thick or so as protection for my hand and the floor.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Skinty]
#19105931 - 11/08/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kalypto said: Obviously I didnt hit it hard , Ive been breaking jars up for over a year now , I think I would know how hard to hit a jar *facepalm*
How did it break then? xxx
some jars are defective. ive had jars break from placing them down on a table for instance. ive had quite a few just crack in half from the lightest of taps to break up.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: cronicr] 1
#19105943 - 11/08/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: or you can try platic pp5's...
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cronicr said: or you can try platic pp5's...
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cronicr said: or you can try platic pp5's...
If you don't like "how they fit in my PC", just remember that they come out of the PC faster, it makes up for it exactly.
PLUS they can be handled as soon as pressure has dropped.
I fukken hate jars! I broke too many, and cut my hand some too. 5-code plastics saved my life &this hobby.
BTW, if they melt/warp, you either (1) got the wrong kind, or cheapo too-thin ones (2) you had heat too high for too long; reduce heat to as little as keeps 15psi. (3) ran out of water, so dry heat damaged.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: DeadPhan]
#19105993 - 11/08/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kalypto said: Obviously I didnt hit it hard , Ive been breaking jars up for over a year now , I think I would know how hard to hit a jar *facepalm*
How did it break then? xxx
some jars are defective. ive had jars break from placing them down on a table for instance. ive had quite a few just crack in half from the lightest of taps to break up.
They must make em different in the US of A
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
#19108345 - 11/08/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: or you can try platic pp5's...
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cronicr said: or you can try platic pp5's...
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cronicr said: or you can try platic pp5's...
If you don't like "how they fit in my PC", just remember that they come out of the PC faster, it makes up for it exactly.
PLUS they can be handled as soon as pressure has dropped.
I fukken hate jars! I broke too many, and cut my hand some too. 5-code plastics saved my life &this hobby.
BTW, if they melt/warp, you either (1) got the wrong kind, or cheapo too-thin ones (2) you had heat too high for too long; reduce heat to as little as keeps 15psi. (3) ran out of water, so dry heat damaged.
Doesnt hurt to try it again its been awhile since I have
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
#19108593 - 11/09/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hate plastic.
Its the Devil!
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19109509 - 11/09/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you ever been cut out in nature by plastic?
How about with glass? I sure have. My foot, at a campsite. It was a horrible event.
Such large wastes of Unrecycled single-use plastic is indeed a bane to nature, but there's a reason we socially switched from glass to plastics. So one problem replaced another, that means there's still a problem to solve, there was in the first place.
These containers can be recycled, and frankly you're unlikely to quit using them as such anyway. Who would toss out their myco tools into a lake?
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
#19109545 - 11/09/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19109592 - 11/09/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting coming from someone who's doing the container tek also.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
#19110165 - 11/09/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Violet said: Interesting coming from someone who's doing the container tek also.
Which I followed to the T and are performing at an alarming slow rate.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19110172 - 11/09/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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a big roll of duct tape works the best in my experiences, stiff enough to break up what's inside of a jar but has enough give to where it's not going to hurt the glass
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19110186 - 11/09/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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JMcDoogle said: Which I followed to the T and are performing at an alarming slow rate.
Not trying to plug V-tek but in fairness the speed of colonization has very little/nothing to do with the container the spawn is in. Genetics and temperature are the primary factors in colonization speed. I have used PP5 for grains on a few occasions and had both fast and slow growth with MS 
Personally I have a bad habit of breaking up jars in the palm of my hand. Might start wearing kevlar gloves when I do this, just in case one shatters.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19110272 - 11/09/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pasty is exactly right
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Violet said: Interesting coming from someone who's doing the container tek also.
Which I followed to the T and are performing at an alarming slow rate.
If it's not performing quickly, you either have (*) incompletely/unthoroughly-prepared grains (*) contamination (*) unrealistic expectations (*) or multispore inoculation. Those would all be your doing, even the MS inoc which you could have avoided by not attempting to grow-out MS cultures. Your noob side is showing if you think it has to do with containers or a certain grow tek, and your hypocrisy side is showing now that you've admitted to buying and using "The Devil". Without knowing a Thing about you, I can ramble off a multitude of plastic products that you buy and use all the time.
"Plastic makes it possible." Sure the photo in your post is tragic. However it's PEOPLE's faults, not plastic's.
Remember, straight-grains can possibly take more time to pin heavily than bulk substrates. If you judge by that alone, you'll think grains perform slowly. But that judging would involve forgetting the skipped major step of "spawning" and recolonizing bulk substrates. In the end, they Tie, unless you mess one or the other up somehow... which you seem to have.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
#19110724 - 11/09/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kalypto said:
ONCE i get a LFH I will be doing agar G2G
Maybe from petri dish to bag or maybe ill do petri to jar to bag
But in the long run Im tired of getting cut , dealing with rusty lids , Cleaning contamed jars etc
I personally love bags Im sure I am biased due to this
You can easily get away with using a SAB for G2G. Plenty of TC's do it that way with success.
Jars have their pros and cons so it really seems like preference. I'm thinking about trying out bags soon too.
Nice avatar btw, I've got the same pic as my computer background
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Novanity1]
#19110960 - 11/09/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah don't buy the cheap chinese jars, they have obvious seams where they merge the two halves. Only buy USA jars (Kerr,Ball) they are blow molded like they should . Bags are good n all but they don't double as drinkin glasses!
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Novanity1]
#19112877 - 11/10/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ONCE i get a LFH I will be doing agar G2G
Maybe from petri dish to bag or maybe ill do petri to jar to bag
But in the long run Im tired of getting cut , dealing with rusty lids , Cleaning contamed jars etc
I personally love bags Im sure I am biased due to this
You can easily get away with using a SAB for G2G. Plenty of TC's do it that way with success.
Jars have their pros and cons so it really seems like preference. I'm thinking about trying out bags soon too.
Nice avatar btw, I've got the same pic as my computer background 
Im not a TC my SAB experiences are not the best
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
#19112891 - 11/10/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You just need practice. Many things can be done in a SAB. If your having issues with G2G in your SAB try using pints as your masters, IME they are a lot easier especially if your having issues with the height of the SAB. A little practice will go a long way.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
#19112916 - 11/10/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Violet said: Pasty is exactly right
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JMcDoogle said:
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Violet said: Interesting coming from someone who's doing the container tek also.
Which I followed to the T and are performing at an alarming slow rate.
If it's not performing quickly, you either have (*) incompletely/unthoroughly-prepared grains (*) contamination (*) unrealistic expectations (*) or multispore inoculation. Those would all be your doing, even the MS inoc which you could have avoided by not attempting to grow-out MS cultures. Your noob side is showing if you think it has to do with containers or a certain grow tek, and your hypocrisy side is showing now that you've admitted to buying and using "The Devil". Without knowing a Thing about you, I can ramble off a multitude of plastic products that you buy and use all the time.
"Plastic makes it possible." Sure the photo in your post is tragic. However it's PEOPLE's faults, not plastic's.
Remember, straight-grains can possibly take more time to pin heavily than bulk substrates. If you judge by that alone, you'll think grains perform slowly. But that judging would involve forgetting the skipped major step of "spawning" and recolonizing bulk substrates. In the end, they Tie, unless you mess one or the other up somehow... which you seem to have.
Come off it. You're defensive for no reason. Your whole strain-grain vs bulk is an ineffective argument seeing as I havent began to spawn yet, please do a little more research.
I am a noob, silly. Though what I lack in knowledge you make up for with your ignorance.
(*) incompletely/unthoroughly-prepared grains xx I followed your tek. (*) contamination xx Nope (*) unrealistic expectations xx I expected them to perform atleast a third as quick as my quart jars, which I inoculated a day later, and are twice if not more the amount of grains, which have already colonized fully, and been grain to grained fully, in the period 30% colonization has been achieved in the pp5 Containers. (*) or multispore inoculation. I used the same exact MS inoculation for the PP5 and the 1QT Jars.
It has nothing to do with unrealist expectations, I simply applied the information and procedures in your thread. You are acting like a butt-hurt crybaby, because I "dissed your pretty plastics." Then began to attack me personally with such vague declarations of my personal lifestyle choices regarding plastics. Grow up. You know nothing about me.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
#19113379 - 11/10/13 06:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kalypto said: I was told phone books were great for breaking up jars
LIES EITHER my jars suck or this is a lie I have broken 3 jars this way and just sliced the fuck out of my hand and im a small 110lb guy im not exactly slamming these hard
SO SO done with jars
BAG ALL THE WAY
I think I've broken a maximum of 3 jars in the last 40 years while shaking. It isn't the phonebook or jars fault, unless you're using pickle jars instead of mason. I suggest a thicker phone book or don't set a thin one on concrete.
A fully inflated bike tire is best.
If you're going to go with bags, you better get mycelia if you don't want a high failure rate from defective filters.
You'll be taken much more seriously if you can start a thread without 'fuck' in the thread title.  RR
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19113772 - 11/10/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think you're taking me the wrong way. In fact, I'm sure of it.
Just read your posts here. You hated on plastic, blaming them for human wrongdoing, then you admit to buying plastics, then you blame colonization times on a container or tek... I simply pointed out that these things are your faults, and you're still here denying it.
You admit that you are newb, but don't admit the possibility that a tek's very developer may realize why you're not doing so well. So I think it's YOU that needs to "come off it." I'm not being defensive, you are. And once again, I'll focus on the facts, to show it.
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JMcDoogle said: (*) incompletely/unthoroughly-prepared grains xx I followed your tek.
That really doesn't necessarily mean you fully prepared them. Lots of people come to me with questions who "followed my tek" but didn't truly. Part of me is guessing you did the boiling-water-pour method, and either/both didn't have that water boiling super hard as I emphasize is necessary, or didn't give them the full soak time necessary to get them softened up adequately.
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Don't be overly sure. The kind of bacterial contamination that happens commonly from incomplete sterilization, for instance, NEVER shows visually except the occasional stall, but if they're inoculated right-away the mycelium will colonize the surface of the grains while bacteria takes hold of the inside. The only signs of this contamination are (1) smells sour after some time, despite being fully colonized (2) stall, or similarly (3) slow colonization, which is indeed what you're experiencing.
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JMcDoogle said: (*) unrealistic expectations xx I expected them to perform atleast a third as quick as my quart jars, which I inoculated a day later, and are twice if not more the amount of grains, which have already colonized fully, and been grain to grained fully, in the period 30% colonization has been achieved in the pp5 Containers.
See above points. If you prepared ALL of your grains properly, sterilized fully, and inoculated clean, there's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that growth would occur faster in a glass jar than a plastic container. That's what I meant by you showing your newb side. You've effectively shown that you didn't do something right but don't realize or admit it.
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JMcDoogle said: (*) or multispore inoculation. I used the same exact MS inoculation for the PP5 and the 1QT Jars.
Oh, of course you did. ... But it's multi-spore. Not to say that's why you're experiencing what you are. I bet it's the reasons above.
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JMcDoogle said: You are acting like a butt-hurt crybaby, because I "dissed your pretty plastics."
Hahahah, whatever, I don't get personally offended when people show ignorance about plastics or blame plastics for plastic wasted by humans. I simply correct the misperception/misinformation, just like anyone on these boards. They're not "my" plastics, I'm just one of many who uses them. any further spin on that?
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JMcDoogle said: Then began to attack me personally with such vague declarations of my personal lifestyle choices regarding plastics. Grow up. You know nothing about me.
I know about you what you've posted for the Shroomery to see, and that's all. More than enough to say what I have. If you don't like it, turn your attention to your inner self, and ask "why am I bothered." You'll have a much easier & happy time interacting with people, without thinking they're "attacking" you "personally." In this regard it is You that needs to "grow up." Nothing personal, you seem like a nice guy, but apparently your niceness has a very short threshold.
If you fail at a tek, don't come to the tek's proponents saying it doesn't work, especially if you're a newb. You'll just embarrass yourself. Instead of making this a show of beefed-up egos as you'd have it, I pointed out the likely reasons you failed, just like I would tell someone who came to me politely asking for help. You can get in an internet fight, take the advice, or at least ignore it.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Kalypto said: I was told phone books were great for breaking up jars
LIES EITHER my jars suck or this is a lie I have broken 3 jars this way and just sliced the fuck out of my hand and im a small 110lb guy im not exactly slamming these hard
SO SO done with jars
BAG ALL THE WAY
I think I've broken a maximum of 3 jars in the last 40 years while shaking. It isn't the phonebook or jars fault, unless you're using pickle jars instead of mason. I suggest a thicker phone book or don't set a thin one on concrete.
A fully inflated bike tire is best.
If you're going to go with bags, you better get mycelia if you don't want a high failure rate from defective filters.
You'll be taken much more seriously if you can start a thread without 'fuck' in the thread title.  RR
I've been using mad season should I switch I'm about to buy some more bags
And no doubt I was jut frustrated from being cut up , I was using about five inches of phone books
And I don't know which jars I use But I use Kerr a they feel really thick which why I'm so supposed when I'm barely hiring them and they shatter
No doubt practice will help but I think it's mainly my grow environment since I haven't been able to dedicate a space to it
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
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Sorry for the thread being de-railed OP.
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Violet said: Blah blah blah, Blah Blah. I know everything... Blah Blah.
You contradict yourself many times. You've made more assumptions of my ability to follow simple directions.
Again you're the one to make an assumption on my views of plastic over a simple photo I posted as a joke.
You've got your opinions, I've got mine.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
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Oh now you're just being an ass, patronizing and name-calling.
You admit to using plastics after saying you hate them and that they are "the devil." Play it off as a joke if you like. And now you say that I contradict myself? Laughable! I notice you pointed out no such "many" contradictions 
You certainly did blame the grow tek for slow growth hence, a folly that was pointed out to you immediately by pastywhyte... For all your hubris, where is your humility? Another egotistical newb, so sure of himself.
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JMcDoogle said: You've got your opinions, I've got mine.
It's silly and petty to say such on matters that don't concern opinions at all. This is a matter of ACTUALITIES and FACTS. Where exactly do opinions come into play?
It's this simple: Do you, or do you not, admit that you messed up your grains/containers somehow?
If you DO admit it, then what the hell is all this about? If you DON'T admit it, then how could you possibly justify that?
If you really did "follow the tek to a T" then why aren't you getting its iconic results? Occam's Razor (plus actual myco knowledge/experience, which pastywhyte and I have and you admittedly don't) tells us that it's much more likely that a self-proclaimed newb messed up somehow. I and many others have reported fast or faster colonization than ever with that grow tek. Regardless of G2G or agar inoc, with thorough spread mine almost always reach full colonization in 4-9 days, and I've got many pictures that prove it. Not to mention I have seen it every week for a year.
 This photo was posted 4/11. With an inoc date of 4/8, that means they were colonized by 4 days.
Explain to me how you justify your clear inference that it's not your fault your containers are going so slowly. You'll have a tough time convincing the tek's very developer. Seriously. Your cocky attitude hinges on it. You have quite a catch-22 here. We know the myco truths (not opinions) of operator error that can cause slow grain colonizing... Admit that truth of operator error, and your posts here are seen as the internet-tough-guy bullshit they really are. Don't admit it, and you're seen for the responsibility-shifting blamer you currently appear to be. If I were you, I'd just not respond, and let this just go away.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
#19119756 - 11/11/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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use PP5 , and " no shake" methods............
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: anne halonium]
#19119778 - 11/11/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Right! I'll also point out that if you use code-5 plastics for methods that involve shakes-and-breaks, it's much easier faster & safer to do since the plastic 'gives' some, doesn't hurt your hands, and won't break (unless you get shitty thin containers)
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: anne halonium]
#19119789 - 11/11/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Right! Exactly as chronicr and I said
I'll also point out that if you use code-5 plastics for methods that involve shakes-and-breaks, it's much easier faster & safer to do since the plastic 'gives' some, doesn't hurt your hands, and won't break (unless you get shitty thin containers)
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
#19119832 - 11/11/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well so much for my thread
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
#19119864 - 11/11/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ya seem perturbed . common sense says ya can only pound so many masons before some show flaws.
repeating things and not getting the different results ya want, is.....
the mason teks were developed before PP5 was common and cheap. ( no points for nostalgia, and potential injury, there is no purple heart for the grow war)
this is like complaining about typewriter ribbon ink on your hands. the answer is to get a computer printer.
i always suggest PP5. i dont want any noobs blood on MY hands.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
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Kalypto said: Well so much for my thread
Sorry about that man! Hope all goes well, Try using an old bike tire as RR suggests. I've started using this method and it really does work well.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
#19123852 - 11/11/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Violet said: Oh now you're just being an ass, patronizing and name-calling.
You admit to using plastics after saying you hate them and that they are "the devil." Play it off as a joke if you like. And now you say that I contradict myself? Laughable! I notice you pointed out no such "many" contradictions 
You certainly did blame the grow tek for slow growth hence, a folly that was pointed out to you immediately by pastywhyte... For all your hubris, where is your humility? Another egotistical newb, so sure of himself.
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JMcDoogle said: You've got your opinions, I've got mine.
It's silly and petty to say such on matters that don't concern opinions at all. This is a matter of ACTUALITIES and FACTS. Where exactly do opinions come into play?
It's this simple: Do you, or do you not, admit that you messed up your grains/containers somehow?
If you DO admit it, then what the hell is all this about? If you DON'T admit it, then how could you possibly justify that?
If you really did "follow the tek to a T" then why aren't you getting its iconic results? Occam's Razor (plus actual myco knowledge/experience, which pastywhyte and I have and you admittedly don't) tells us that it's much more likely that a self-proclaimed newb messed up somehow. I and many others have reported fast or faster colonization than ever with that grow tek. Regardless of G2G or agar inoc, with thorough spread mine almost always reach full colonization in 4-9 days, and I've got many pictures that prove it. Not to mention I have seen it every week for a year.
 This photo was posted 4/11. With an inoc date of 4/8, that means they were colonized by 4 days.
Explain to me how you justify your clear inference that it's not your fault your containers are going so slowly. You'll have a tough time convincing the tek's very developer. Seriously. Your cocky attitude hinges on it. You have quite a catch-22 here. We know the myco truths (not opinions) of operator error that can cause slow grain colonizing... Admit that truth of operator error, and your posts here are seen as the internet-tough-guy bullshit they really are. Don't admit it, and you're seen for the responsibility-shifting blamer you currently appear to be.
If I were you, I'd just not respond, and let this just go away.
Heres my response.
Your tek using RGS is just not for me.
Shall we talk about your " Nutrients. "
Fertilizer is to grow grass, not fungi my friend.
You're intolerable, arrogant and self-righteous.
Grow up.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19125105 - 11/12/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You have nothing but insults! Avoidance, slipping past the actual fact of the matter altogether. Now we know where it is the opinions come in. Contrive what you will about me personally, but I'm surely not near your kind of petty and judgmental.
Shall we talk about your " biology knowledge. "
Good luck with your grows.
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
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Violet said: You have nothing but insults! Avoidance, slipping past the actual fact of the matter altogether. Now we know where it is the opinions come in. Contrive what you will about me personally, but I'm surely not near your kind of petty and judgmental.
Shall we talk about your " biology knowledge. "
Good luck with your grows.
lol, biology?
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
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yes biology, its something more than replicating outadated teks.
let it slide violet. most of em come around when they get more experience, or get bored replicating limited teks.
if they dont , its their garden..............
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: anne halonium]
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anne halonium said: yes biology, its something more than replicating outadated teks.
let it slide violet. most of em come around when they get more experience, or get bored replicating limited teks.
if they dont , its their garden..............
your ability to routinely post 10 - 15 minutes after Violet is uncanny - maybe you should shake it up a little
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Skinty]
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^ great minds think alike.
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