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First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain
    #19104250 - 11/08/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hello,

I have been lurking for a while and finally decided to give it a real shot this past week. I soaked for 12 hours in water/gypsum and may have slightly over simmered after that as around 2-3% of the grains have busted. But anyways I pressure cooked them for 90 minutes at 15 psi and let it cool over night. When i took them out today there was some condensation on the side of the glass. the bottom half inch or so looks a little more moist than the rest of the grain in the jar but maybe this is normal since i let it sit for 6 hours? Let me know what you think and if i should redo my jars.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19104278 - 11/08/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

They look a little moist to my eye but not terrible. Ya got some burst grains in there as well. Maybe give em a shake to redistribute the moisture. Next time ease up on the simmer a bit.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19104368 - 11/08/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So these are workable? I just prepared another batch soaking right now anyways. Just incase.

And this was the only jar I didnt shake. It did look a lot better after shaking but wanted to give you all a pic of it straight out of the pc. I have I did buy extra spores for my trial and error periodi guess ill give these a go. Thanks for the quick reply Pasty


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19104378 - 11/08/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yea, they dont look too bad to me.  definitly shake em up.  bang on a bike tire, phone book, soft ground, or carpet.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19104825 - 11/08/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Looks good OP, do some agar plates as well, make grain masters, do g2g's and take spore prints keep the cycle going.

I break em up with my fist and actually its all ive done. Though when breaking up fully colonized jars it can hurt my fist a bit and if the jar breaks on your fist that would really suck. I recommend using a clean brand new inflated bike tire.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: OregonMushys]
    #19104987 - 11/08/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I usually just use the palm of my hand to break up jars. OP those should be fine. If your using ms solution to inoculate, just try to not use too much, and they will be good :thumbup:


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19105039 - 11/08/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I usually just use the palm of my hand to break up jars. OP those should be fine. If your using ms solution to inoculate, just try to not use too much, and they will be good :thumbup:




lol, tru. i was thinking colonized. 

i actually do too even on most of my colonized jars.  but now and then there are those stubborn chunks that i gotta take to a bike tire or the carpet and the like.  also, whenever im breaking up jars, its almost always 14 jars at a given time as thats how many my PC holds, so when i do transfers, i nocc up 14 at a time.  if not 28 when i do two batches.  so, my hand gets to hurting if i gotta break up 14-28 colonized jars.


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    #19105138 - 11/08/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19105179 - 11/08/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

if they were dry before you started then it's normal to see some moisture the next day but it should go away as it gets to rom temp


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: cronicr]
    #19106035 - 11/08/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the help everyone.
Oregonmushy - I do plan on getting my agar supplies while the jars are colonizing. And I planned to do isolates as well. I did not read anything about a master grain jar buti will look into that. Soon as I get off work I need to make my work box and inoculate these jars here.


Cronicr - they were not dry before the pc. I soaked them for 12 hours. Prior to pc. However at the time of the picture they were not at room temperature. They were still a slightly warm to the touch


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19106050 - 11/08/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i don't mean like dry just dry o the outside, normal to see some moisture for a litttle while ater you pc them but thegrains should absorb it all back up as they cool


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19106083 - 11/08/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe give em a shake to redistribute the moisture. Next time ease up on the simmer a bit.





this

your goal should be for your grains to move freely once out of the pc.

i use wbs and it takes a few rips to get the moisture content of your grains right but once you do they should roll around like bbs


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    #19106143 - 11/08/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A grain master is a fully colonized fresh generation jar (one which hasnt yet been g2g'd)...When you take a fully colonized 'grain master' and g2g it into 9 more jars, those 9 jars are f1(1st gen) culture. If you g2g those 9 jars into 81 more jars, the 81 jars will all be f2(2nd gen), and so forth. Go past f3 and the mycelium will be a lot weaker due to senescence. A grain master is usually inoculated with an agar wedge from a fresh gen culture or with spores, so it can endure all the g2g's without succumbing to senescence.

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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: OregonMushys]
    #19106164 - 11/08/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i get what your saying and all but generations are defined by growing out your culture.

  Don't confuse grain to grain transfers, etc., as generations even though a well-known book got it wrong 30 years ago.

Spores to fruits constitute a generation.  You are the next generation from your parents.  Your kids will be the next generation from you.

If you're skinny and then get fat(expanded) it isn't a generation, it's beer.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: cronicr]
    #19107206 - 11/08/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Gotcha.

I am starting to think maybe i pokes too big of holes in the jar lids? I punched 4 holes in each lid with a 1/4inch drill bit.

Edit: Actually now that I look at it I don't think I even punched it all the way through. Just the top piece of the 1/4in drillbit got all the way through


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19111257 - 11/09/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok now I think I officially messed up my jars. I left the foil on because I was too busy to innoc right when they were ready and the lids have started to rust. Should I just attempt to innoc anyways or are they as good as gone?


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    #19111267 - 11/09/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

if this is fresh out of the pressure cooker, and you pressure cooked the grain right after hydrating it in a pot on the stove, then a little moisture like this is no big deal really.


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    #19111269 - 11/09/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

WTF? You only need one hole with a filter and a hole with a self healing port or silicon if you plan to inoculate outside of a SAB with a syringe :shrug: if you got 4 unfiltered holes that jar is fucked.


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    #19111278 - 11/09/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If he has kept the foil on the entire time, it is possible that contamination would find it hard to enter the jar. proper filtration should be implemented on the next round for sure,


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    #19111299 - 11/09/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Even if he has, how is he going to nock it up with out removing the foil? I guess he could nock them up in a SAB and leave them in it until full colonization but I think it would be easier to make proper lids and start over.


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    #19111328 - 11/09/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, i would have made new jars at this point. OP get you some Tyvek (free at your local post office) or some poly fill, or a combination of the two. best of luck.


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    #19111384 - 11/09/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I covered the 4 holes with micropore tape. Do people not use that method anymore? I have abatch of grain soaked I am buying more lids right now.


Edit: I do have polyfill at home. How many holes do I make. I do not have any silicone to make an injection point. I didn't think polyfill would be a good filter on jars. I'm going to go synthetic filter disks after this :/


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    #19111413 - 11/09/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

silicone is more effort than you need really. ok so here's what i do. i take the glass jars out of the case, and take a thick cross-head screwdriver and drive it through the middle of the lid. then i bend down the pieces of metal that are protruding from the underside of the lid.

next, stick some polyfill through the hole in the lid. after this, unscrew the lids, cover the top of the jar with tyvek, and put the two part lid back on and screw it down... and oila! you're good to go. just make sure you put tinfoil over the top before you pc it.


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    #19111417 - 11/09/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

note- you dont have to use both polyfill and tyvek, it is possible to use either or. i am just :tinfoil: about thangs like that.


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    #19111438 - 11/09/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I am just going to use polyfil. I just foumd some silicon at walmart not sure if I will use it or not. How do you innoc through polyfill? Just stab through?


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    #19111469 - 11/09/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You can but I have heard stories of people pushing the poly right through which is an instant fail. I usually inoculate in my SAB, just carefully crack the lid up, squirt in a half cc or so and close er back up. This allows you to inoculate without making contact which cuts down on contam vectors. Same way we inoculate with agar wedges if you think about it.


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    #19111522 - 11/09/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I am just going to use polyfil. I just foumd some silicon at walmart not sure if I will use it or not. How do you innoc through polyfill? Just stab through?





no need to use silicone if you are using polyfill. polyfill works just fine.

so when you go to inoculate in your still air box, acohol swab the needle end, then torch flame the end of the needle inside the SAB till it is glowing red, then wait 10 -15 seconds and then proced to stick the needle tip through the polyfill and squeeze some spore solution into the grain jar. you only need a tiny tiny bit. then extract the needle and you're done!

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    #19111547 - 11/09/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Got it.

I am under the impression polyfill does not need to use foil when pc ing?


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    #19111552 - 11/09/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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torch flame the end of the needle inside OUTSIDE the SAB till it is glowing red, THEN BRING IT INSIDE THE SAB, then wait 10 -15 seconds and then proceed to stick the needle tip through the polyfill and squeeze some spore solution into the grain jar.



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    #19111575 - 11/09/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I always put tinfoil over the top of the lids when i go to PC the jars. :shrug: i would use it to help protect the moisture content.
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torch flame the end of the needle inside OUTSIDE the SAB till it is glowing red, THEN BRING IT INSIDE THE SAB, then wait 10 -15 seconds and then proceed to stick the needle tip through the polyfill and squeeze some spore solution into the grain jar.



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    #19112255 - 11/09/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Even if he has, how is he going to nock it up with out removing the foil? I guess he could nock them up in a SAB and leave them in it until full colonization but I think it would be easier to make proper lids and start over.




this.

one 1/4-1/2 inch hole stuffed snugly with polyfil or sfds if you can afford it.  and pc with foil remove foil noc threw the poly and throw foil away


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    #19112819 - 11/10/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Even if he has, how is he going to nock it up with out removing the foil? I guess he could nock them up in a SAB and leave them in it until full colonization but I think it would be easier to make proper lids and start over.




Just spitballing here.  He could inoculate in an sab by only slightly lifting the foil up just enough to make his injection then bringing it back down.  The foil is only up for 3 seconds tops with decently smooth technique.


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    #19112825 - 11/10/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Even if he has, how is he going to nock it up with out removing the foil? I guess he could nock them up in a SAB and leave them in it until full colonization but I think it would be easier to make proper lids and start over.




Just spitballing here.  He could inoculate in an sab by only slightly lifting the foil up just enough to make his injection then bringing it back down.  The foil is only up for 3 seconds tops with decently smooth technique.




Not gonna disagree, but still feels risky to me. Guess my risk tolerance ain't what it used to be. Shit I nocked up brf cakes outside once, but I can't live on the edge like that no more.


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    #19112894 - 11/10/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19112922 - 11/10/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If it is not excessive, I have noticed faster/healthier mycelium from wet jars. It is not a contam risk IMO because the grain is sterile.

I had a bit of pooling in the bottom of my most recent jars and that is where I got the most growth in the shortest time, a patch of myc elsewhere in the jar would be 1/2 the size of one with access to excess water.

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    #19112930 - 11/10/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

@OP

Your picture is linked via Photobucket.

At the top of the URL there is a full name Bryan....

Not trying to seem like a paranoid skit-zo, but I wouldent
want my name attatched to pictures on the interwebs in this
hobby.

Oh, and I like turtles too.

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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19112968 - 11/10/13 01:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

just found this post...

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RogerRabbit said:
I wouldn't and this is why:  Sterilzation only gives a 'window of opportunity' and is never complete.  If you g2g with uncolonized grains, those uncolonized kernels might sit for another two weeks in the receiving jar before the mycelium gets to them, thus they're outside their window, and more likely to contaminate. 

Let the jars fully colonize.  Being in a hurry never benefits mycology.
RR




I guess I was right in the first place that a "sterilized" jar is not entirely sterile!


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19113002 - 11/10/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Seeing as my pic already served its purpose I will take it down. First time posting I didmt know it would give me the op to upload a pic directly to the site.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19113082 - 11/10/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Right on,

didnt wanna seem like an ass, just didnt know
if you noticed how it showed that.

Good Luck, Welcome to the Shroomery :smile:

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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19113175 - 11/10/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no offense taken here. i appreciate the concern. and thanks!

i am on minute 8 of my 10 minute simmer. i soaked this grain for a long time about 36 hours. mainly because i fell asleep.  They look fine though. poly fill jars have been prepared. hopefully everything will be inoculated and set by the time football starts.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19113221 - 11/10/13 03:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Something that might help get the outside of your grains dry while keeping the inside full of moisture is something RR teaches. Right after you finish simmering your grains toss and mix them letting as much steam to evaporate off as possible before loading into jars. I failed time and time again with getting the water content correct in my grains. Then I started doing this with my grains and have not had moisture issues since.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: shroomnub4u]
    #19113244 - 11/10/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yes! this time i did do something like that. i am not sure if it was RR method exactly but i laid it on a large tray on top of a few cookie sheets mixing everything around about once every 3 minutes or so. I also did the toilet paper test. got 6 jars this time. i spilled some of the grain so they arent as full as i would like but i guess some extra shaking room wouldnt hurt. When i g2g i will probably do 1 inoculated jar to 8. I really don't want to jump into this doing a g2g for all of my jars because i dont think i can handle 100 jars at this point. i plan on doing a g2g transfer on 1 or two of them and put the rest to a bulk casing.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19116181 - 11/10/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Seeing as my pic already served its purpose I will take it down. First time posting I didmt know it would give me the op to upload a pic directly to the site.




also if you use a phone to take pictures it can geotag it so download pixlegard its an app that doesnt show where/when picture was taken.

otherwise use a nice lil digital camera


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: twistedty]
    #19168839 - 11/21/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hello everyone,

I did not want to start a new thread. I was wondering if i could get some help.

i am leaving town tomorrow so i decided to check on my jars it has been 11 days since knocking up the jars and there is no mycelium growth but there is rust colored specks at the bottom of all the jars. I am pretty sure these are contaminated and need to be thrown out.

I used a SAB when inoculating. been keeping the jars in a box with an open top covered with a towel i sprayed with lysol.I used polyfil on my lids. I will be attempting tyvek lids next i did not like polyfil very much. I kind of expected to get contams on my first run. my house isnt very clean.

Anyone have some advice for a newbie that it cultivating within their personal space (my room)and i have a dog.

Does it make a difference if there is a fan on in the room?

What temperature do you store your jars for colonization at? i was aiming for 78F but now ive read more and more post about staying around 72F.

What fluctuation in temperature would you consider a contam risk? there was a point where the weather was so up and down im sure the jars hit 82+ and went as low as mid 60s. (AC has been broken for a few weeks :\)

How much of a risk is leaving a window open?

I will prepare some new jars next week. I want to make sure i do it right this time. i am probably going to make an incubator this time.

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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19168849 - 11/21/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

While colonizing, a breeze is ok, there should be some type of filter on the jars....like a dry verm layer for cakes, or SFDs for grain jars.

Having a dirty house is not the culprit, poor sterile technique or bad inoculant is.

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years.  Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: PussyFart]
    #19168904 - 11/21/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i am suppose to be colonizing in indirect light? currently they are under a towel in a spot where it would get direct light for about 4-6 hours a day so i am assuming some indirect light is getting through.

I also just read another thread that it may be rust. Since it is only at the bottom of each jar i did find that weird. in the other thread it mentioned it could just be the metal shavings from when i drilled the hole in the lid. So i am going to keep letting these jars colonize until i find out exactly what it is.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19168964 - 11/21/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i am suppose to be colonizing in indirect light? currently they are under a towel in a spot where it would get direct light for about 4-6 hours a day so i am assuming some indirect light is getting through.



Indirect light, like on a shelf in a room.

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ShroomMush said:
I also just read another thread that it may be rust. Since it is only at the bottom of each jar i did find that weird. in the other thread it mentioned it could just be the metal shavings from when i drilled the hole in the lid. So i am going to keep letting these jars colonize until i find out exactly what it is.



It's not rust....but I wish you luck....


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: PussyFart]
    #19169263 - 11/21/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well the only reason I am even entertaining the idea of rust is that its only at the very bottom of the jar. There is nothing on the side walls of the jars. After drilling i didnt wipe the jar down or anything i just flipped it upside down and let the big chunk fall out. Anyways on all the jars the rust/contam is on the bottom. You have to lift the jar up and look from under the jar to see it. Also it is nothing but soecks if color right now. I only caught it becausr I was using a white to insoect the jars very closely. I guess only time will tell. Ill update when I come back home on monday. Thanks for the good luck wishes. Positive vibes are welcome


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