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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19113221 - 11/10/13 03:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Something that might help get the outside of your grains dry while keeping the inside full of moisture is something RR teaches. Right after you finish simmering your grains toss and mix them letting as much steam to evaporate off as possible before loading into jars. I failed time and time again with getting the water content correct in my grains. Then I started doing this with my grains and have not had moisture issues since.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: shroomnub4u]
    #19113244 - 11/10/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yes! this time i did do something like that. i am not sure if it was RR method exactly but i laid it on a large tray on top of a few cookie sheets mixing everything around about once every 3 minutes or so. I also did the toilet paper test. got 6 jars this time. i spilled some of the grain so they arent as full as i would like but i guess some extra shaking room wouldnt hurt. When i g2g i will probably do 1 inoculated jar to 8. I really don't want to jump into this doing a g2g for all of my jars because i dont think i can handle 100 jars at this point. i plan on doing a g2g transfer on 1 or two of them and put the rest to a bulk casing.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19116181 - 11/10/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Seeing as my pic already served its purpose I will take it down. First time posting I didmt know it would give me the op to upload a pic directly to the site.




also if you use a phone to take pictures it can geotag it so download pixlegard its an app that doesnt show where/when picture was taken.

otherwise use a nice lil digital camera


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: twistedty]
    #19168839 - 11/21/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hello everyone,

I did not want to start a new thread. I was wondering if i could get some help.

i am leaving town tomorrow so i decided to check on my jars it has been 11 days since knocking up the jars and there is no mycelium growth but there is rust colored specks at the bottom of all the jars. I am pretty sure these are contaminated and need to be thrown out.

I used a SAB when inoculating. been keeping the jars in a box with an open top covered with a towel i sprayed with lysol.I used polyfil on my lids. I will be attempting tyvek lids next i did not like polyfil very much. I kind of expected to get contams on my first run. my house isnt very clean.

Anyone have some advice for a newbie that it cultivating within their personal space (my room)and i have a dog.

Does it make a difference if there is a fan on in the room?

What temperature do you store your jars for colonization at? i was aiming for 78F but now ive read more and more post about staying around 72F.

What fluctuation in temperature would you consider a contam risk? there was a point where the weather was so up and down im sure the jars hit 82+ and went as low as mid 60s. (AC has been broken for a few weeks :\)

How much of a risk is leaving a window open?

I will prepare some new jars next week. I want to make sure i do it right this time. i am probably going to make an incubator this time.

sigh it always takes a good failure to light a fire under my ass.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19168849 - 11/21/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

While colonizing, a breeze is ok, there should be some type of filter on the jars....like a dry verm layer for cakes, or SFDs for grain jars.

Having a dirty house is not the culprit, poor sterile technique or bad inoculant is.

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years.  Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: PussyFart]
    #19168904 - 11/21/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i am suppose to be colonizing in indirect light? currently they are under a towel in a spot where it would get direct light for about 4-6 hours a day so i am assuming some indirect light is getting through.

I also just read another thread that it may be rust. Since it is only at the bottom of each jar i did find that weird. in the other thread it mentioned it could just be the metal shavings from when i drilled the hole in the lid. So i am going to keep letting these jars colonize until i find out exactly what it is.


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
    #19168964 - 11/21/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i am suppose to be colonizing in indirect light? currently they are under a towel in a spot where it would get direct light for about 4-6 hours a day so i am assuming some indirect light is getting through.



Indirect light, like on a shelf in a room.

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I also just read another thread that it may be rust. Since it is only at the bottom of each jar i did find that weird. in the other thread it mentioned it could just be the metal shavings from when i drilled the hole in the lid. So i am going to keep letting these jars colonize until i find out exactly what it is.



It's not rust....but I wish you luck....


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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: PussyFart]
    #19169263 - 11/21/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well the only reason I am even entertaining the idea of rust is that its only at the very bottom of the jar. There is nothing on the side walls of the jars. After drilling i didnt wipe the jar down or anything i just flipped it upside down and let the big chunk fall out. Anyways on all the jars the rust/contam is on the bottom. You have to lift the jar up and look from under the jar to see it. Also it is nothing but soecks if color right now. I only caught it becausr I was using a white to insoect the jars very closely. I guess only time will tell. Ill update when I come back home on monday. Thanks for the good luck wishes. Positive vibes are welcome


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