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eagel774
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Large growing room?????
#19104107 - 11/08/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My wife and i are looking to get heavily involved in mushroom cultivation.I'm retired and have a lot of time on my hands so doing the work is no problem.This is the side of my pole barn we are going to convert into a fruiting chamber/lab area.Are their any good books out their on the best way's to set this up for a year round growing.The room is going to be 16x8 or so and i have an outdoor wood boiler to heat the room to whatever temp i need.on the other side theirs no lento so that's going to eventually be a 32x10 foot long heated greenhouse.Would it be better to just concentrate on the greenhouse or set up the chamber/lab area first and just grow with artificial conditions. In the upcoming summer months we plan on getting started with Shiitake logs as we have an abundance of oak on our property.Whats a good mushroom to start with that has a fairly good yield for newbies.The old barn will eventually be my main fruiting chamber maybe for straw bales or something like that as its always moist. 
Edited by eagel774 (11/08/13 06:27 AM)
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j3544956
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Re: Large growing room????? [Re: eagel774]
#19104159 - 11/08/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very nice on your idea!!! I have seen another gentleman on here that has a large scale Oyster production. I'll check back later when I am done with my coffee.
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eagel774
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Re: Large growing room????? [Re: j3544956]
#19104186 - 11/08/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is the boiler.That black pipe is around 15$ a foot....DAMMMMMMMM!!!!

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drake89
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Re: Large growing room????? [Re: eagel774]
#19106085 - 11/08/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can check out the Facebook link in my sig for large scale (ish?) grow room pics. I'm going to convert a 30x60 pole barn soon...
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leschampignons
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Re: Large growing room????? [Re: eagel774]
#19106815 - 11/08/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow everyone one here seems to be throwing down huge grows. Looks like I have to step my game up lol. Curious to see updates as it comes along. Good Luck!
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: eagel774]
#19107310 - 11/08/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Advanced Mycology.
Reason: Better suited to the gourmet and medicinal forum.
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CAP_TURTLE
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19107428 - 11/08/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you looked into your laws there? With such a big grow especially it sounds like you will have more than what's needed at market and will be supplying restaurants and speaking with someone from the area to sell any fruits at all you have to have an inspected and approved space by the dept of agriculture. It'd suck to go through all that work only to be shut down.
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19107923 - 11/08/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Id start indoors. Set up your clean lab and substrate prep areas. Lots of shelving. Several times more space for colonization than what your planning to have in FC. Then a washable climate controlled grow space with floor drain. No porous materials.
Get your bugs worked out over the winter and be ready to get the greenhouse up in the spring. Start pushing one flush trough the indoor space then kick the blocks out to the semi controlled green house for 2-3 flushes.
This is a big job that is going to take some time. I'm almost ready to move into my new space so I know what you have in store for yourself :P My best advice; Don't cut corners. Better to take your time and get it right then to rush it and have to do it over in a year.
Good luck
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eagel774
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: t3chnobily]
#19109130 - 11/09/13 05:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I haven't even looked any USDA guidelines up here yet..stupid government got their hands in everything...Pole barn is going to have heat either way. I use it as a fabrication shop and heat is a big plus.That's a cool set up drake i was checking out your facebook page. How many sq ft are you upgrading to?? Do you get a consistent flushes with a setup like that?The block and conduit shelving works out pretty good from the looks of it.I have tones of that stuff.do they help retain moisture when you wet them down? And thanks for all the help everyone your exceptional Americans....
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: eagel774]
#19109192 - 11/09/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You probably have a local agricultural agent. Contact them to get started with the FDA stuff.
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Edited by OICU812 (11/09/13 06:23 AM)
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eagel774
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: OICU812]
#19109206 - 11/09/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love that H Ford statement....Priceless
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: eagel774]
#19122217 - 11/11/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Something I'm planning on doing once I can build an outdoor grow house is incorporate a boiler to heat and control humidity in the GH, have a built-in steam autoclave, and power a steam generator to help with the electricity. I don't know what else you use the metal building for, but you should start your lab and grow area in there first. Expand into the barn once you outgrow the first grow area. You can produce quite a bit of mushrooms in just the metal building.
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: eagel774]
#19122683 - 11/11/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
eagel774 said: I love that H Ford statement....Priceless
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eagel774
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: ghiajake]
#19125210 - 11/12/13 06:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What temp's does the steam autoclave need to operate at? My boiler will only go to 195 F.I figured that would be good for pasteurization.Not sure about the autoclave haven't got that far yet.
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Aleon
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Re: Large growing room????? [Re: drake89]
#19125223 - 11/12/13 07:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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drake89 said: You can check out the Facebook link in my sig for large scale (ish?) grow room pics. I'm going to convert a 30x60 pole barn soon...
Not trying to be rude, but you must have never been to a large or even medium scale mushrooms farm. Take pride in the fact that your a small farm/business.
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19125234 - 11/12/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
CAP_TURTLE said: Have you looked into your laws there? With such a big grow especially it sounds like you will have more than what's needed at market and will be supplying restaurants and speaking with someone from the area to sell any fruits at all you have to have an inspected and approved space by the dept of agriculture. It'd suck to go through all that work only to be shut down.
This is innacurate, at least in most states. You can grow and sell fresh wholesale produce without inspections(though it is possible that others states are different; but michinigan is right next to WI so I'm guessing the rules are similar). Any time you can keep the gov out of your shit, keep them out. The best thing about WI is there is no tax on fresh preduce; I don't have to deal with them at all for fresh bulk sales. Only quarterly IRS tax forms, but I never owe anything on the fresh mushrooms; obviously this is seperate from income taxes.
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eagel774
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: Aleon]
#19125276 - 11/12/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm thinking a 175.00 license is all i need for MI we have a made in Michigan campaign that's been promoting local produce and other goods.So a lot of the regulations were lifted or suspended until they run out of tax money.
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CAP_TURTLE
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: eagel774]
#19125367 - 11/12/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure about the law thing. The guy I spoke with is trying to undertake something bigger now too but has been growing for a while and Michigan is next to ohio which also has the same leaniency on fresh mushrooms as you say WI has but he was shut down from selling fresh mushrooms and limited to sellings kits and what not. Every state is different no matter how close. Either way though it's a good idea to find out. I also know of one other family in Michigan who I was told cultivates but they only sell wild mushrooms. I'm guessing these same laws prevent them from doing the same. They are able to sell wild mushrooms because the husband is a certified expert identifier which is the restriction placed on beign able to sell wild mushrooms.
Edited by CAP_TURTLE (11/12/13 08:26 AM)
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19125395 - 11/12/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know here in utah, as long as your are selling direct to consumer, there really isn't much regulation. It's when you begin to sell to retailers that you have problems.
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: nanncee]
#19125437 - 11/12/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats the way it is here as well. I tried a search and wasn't able to turn any direct literature up. I very well could be wrong and hopefully I am.
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