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Aleon
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19125447 - 11/12/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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CAP_TURTLE said: Thats the way it is here as well. I tried a search and wasn't able to turn any direct literature up. I very well could be wrong and hopefully I am.
You are wrong. What law prevented them from growing and selling fresh mushrooms? What do you mean "he was shutdown", and why? I have never heard of such a thing.
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: Aleon]
#19125448 - 11/12/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also, the reason most people are here is "because of their affinity for disobedience." I say fuck em.
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: Aleon]
#19125488 - 11/12/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have no reason not to believe him. I network with a lot of growers who do not use these forums and that I would not have met had I never looked outside the shroomery. It could be that I misread into it and it was just directed at him selling to restaurants. I'm not sure but if so I apologize for even getting everyone started :P. I get a lot of good info here and elsewhere so that's why I'm saying I may be the one who's reading into it wrong. Until he contact's his ag dept. we may not know for sure either way. I lost my affinity for disobedience when I had a kid. That doesn't mean I don't ever go against the grain. But I try to do so legally. Last thing I would want is to be doing awesome with my mushroom grows and making tremendous progress just to have it brought to a halt. From the sounds of it though, he want's to do this so I imagine he will do what it takes to be legal. At the most it would just require some additional inspections and whatever else. I was communicating with my ag department before I even thought to try to increase my production. Either way everyone is here to help, thats why I enjoy the company of fellow mushroom growers over anyone else And I hope learn all I can from this project in the same manner I have from your experiences Aleon.
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19125573 - 11/12/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm gonna jump in now cause I didn't earlier. But you are dead wrong about being regulated, Cap. As far as I know there is no oversight for farms producing less than a quarter million pounds annually. You are treated like a regular farm, so there are no rules unless you are in an area, like a city, with zoning restrictions etc. this is why I'm living out in the country in a county with almost 0 oversight with regard to building codes.
And I'm talking about raw unprocessed mushrooms here. Value added products is a whole nother ball game.
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: drake89]
#19125610 - 11/12/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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He may live in a city idk. I inquired further into his experience so I will let all know what I hear back. I definitely wasn't trying to say I was right or wrong and would prefer to be wrong on this one. Just relaying info I heard from another Michigan grower so no stone was left unturned.
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: eagel774]
#19126053 - 11/12/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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eagel774 said: My boiler will only go to 195 F.I figured that would be good for pasteurization. Not sure about the autoclave haven't got that far yet.
I'm a little confused. Doesn't a boiler need to boil water to be a boiler? Here's a link to a chart on the boiling point of water at different pressure ratings. http://docs.engineeringtoolbox.com/documents/926/water_pressure_boiling_temperature.pdf. Average atmospheric pressure is 14.69 psi, so 212F to boil water. Any engineers or boilermakers out there feel free to crrect me, but couldn't a system under vacuum boil water at lower temps? I know RR has a thread on his wood-fire boiler system he used.
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Re: Large growing room????? [Re: Aleon]
#19126960 - 11/12/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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drake89 said: You can check out the Facebook link in my sig for large scale (ish?) grow room pics. I'm going to convert a 30x60 pole barn soon...
Not trying to be rude, but you must have never been to a large or even medium scale mushrooms farm. Take pride in the fact that your a small farm/business.
Lol yeah I've (almost) got a monopoly in my state/region on non-button mushrooms. I reckon there must be some ppl in Atlanta but that's almost 3 hours away. And I've never been to a farm, so I guess I'm doing pretty well for starting from scratch. Thanks to GGMM and you guys here! I was trying to visit OCIU (mike?) but didn't have time when I was in NC.
OT; how to hang straw logs rather than lay them on shelves? 2" square black iron frame/grid?
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19128051 - 11/12/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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CAP_TURTLE said: I'm pretty sure about the law thing. The guy I spoke with is trying to undertake something bigger now too but has been growing for a while and Michigan is next to ohio which also has the same leaniency on fresh mushrooms as you say WI has but he was shut down from selling fresh mushrooms and limited to sellings kits and what not. Every state is different no matter how close. Either way though it's a good idea to find out. I also know of one other family in Michigan who I was told cultivates but they only sell wild mushrooms. I'm guessing these same laws prevent them from doing the same. They are able to sell wild mushrooms because the husband is a certified expert identifier which is the restriction placed on beign able to sell wild mushrooms.
Mushrooms are considered an agricultural product. No different from a head of lettuce and is not currently regulated or inspected by FDA so long as you do not process it; no slicing, drying, cooking or processing if any kind allowed. How,ever if you want to sell to any commercial grocery store you will need insurance in your product. Usually six million in liability is what they expect.
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He was supplying restaurants and I believe that is where the issue arose. I am so close to attending my first market and am only
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19130121 - 11/13/13 06:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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CAP_TURTLE said: He was supplying restaurants and I believe that is where the issue arose. I am so close to attending my first market and am only
There again, large commercial chains will require liability insurance. Otherwise, it isn't a problem. Hopefully the Feds continue to think of mush as a "plant" and stay the fuck out of our business.
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19130122 - 11/13/13 06:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm no at all concerned with the regulations in my state I'm quite sure ill have to pay them when i get to that point.It's just a matter of figuring out which crook needs to take my money in order for me to succeed.Isn't that the way it works in just about all of our states.As far as the boiler,its a non pressurized outdoor wood boiler the water is under constant movement and does not boil or i would have to fill it with water every day due to boil over 195 is the max.That's why I'm planing to using it for pasteurization bath's if i can get away with it.....Thanks for all the info
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: eagel774]
#19143141 - 11/15/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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eagel774 said: It's just a matter of figuring out which crook needs to take my money in order for me to succeed.

Well, it would be funny, if it weren't so true...
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19432265 - 01/17/14 08:55 AM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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I contacted the state of MI AG department directly and was told their are no regulations on mushroom production,currently anyway. Does anyone have any suggestions on the most efficient way to set up a 8'x32' fruiting chamber/pasteurization room. My boiler will supply the hot water for the Pasteurization bath and the heat for the entire room. all the spawn prep will be done in the house. Are their any good cost effective climate control systems on the market that will control all the basics like RH CO2 FAE & o2 levels. Has anyone ever made their own on the cheap??
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: eagel774]
#19432307 - 01/17/14 09:09 AM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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nothing cheap that controls. you can dial it in most of the way by sizing an appropriate blower for your room size, and putting your humidifier on a timer. Otherwise you are looking at $1000+++ for CO2 and H20 sensors/switches.
I would recommend against having your lab and FC in the same room, or even inoculating in your FC if that's what you were talking about.
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: drake89]
#19432343 - 01/17/14 09:24 AM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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I'm going to do all the lab work in the house until i get around to setting up a separate building just for the lab stuff.The pasteurization tub will have a constant supply of hot water (150-195)that will leach heat into the room. My plan is to make a tank within a tank that will transfer the boiler heat to the straw water and then all I'll need to do is drain the straw tea and replace with fresh water. I can also tap into the main water tank for a heat source to keep at temp throughout winter. Both rooms will be independent of each other.Have you ever run Pleurotus Ostreatus 012A from aloha??That's what i'm planing to run first as a base crop.
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: eagel774]
#19432392 - 01/17/14 09:41 AM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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You don't need C02 controls, any Grey oysters will tell you if you need more fresh air - in fact you can cut your bills by turning down the FAE when you don't have greys fruiting.

I build this control unit (and another like it) which though not pretty does the job very well for the last 3 years. Digital Humidistat ($20), Digital Thermostat ($15) (heating and cooling), fan speed controller ($30) and mechanical light switches.
The humidity is provided by a mist nozzle in the incoming air stream, it is plumbed to the mains water via a ($10) solenoid controlled by the humidistat. The amount of air needed depends on how full the room is and what is fruiting - but I don't change it much.
The Switch with the neon indicator is the circulation pump that is wired to circulate chilled or heated water through the heat exchangers in the incoming air stream.
Non of this is complicated or requires more than basic electrical knowledge.
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Edited by solarity (01/17/14 09:42 AM)
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: solarity]
#19432426 - 01/17/14 09:49 AM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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have any pics or a parts list that your willing to post?? Im pretty adequate with electrical and making everything myself is the only way for me.....On that note if anyone needs any input on any type of construction projects let me know I've been a carpenter/steel fabricator for 20 + years...although the codes in my state may vary from yours..:-)
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: solarity]
#19432446 - 01/17/14 09:52 AM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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sorry did not see the pic earlier..
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: eagel774]
#19432478 - 01/17/14 10:01 AM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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The sensors and solenoid were from Sunteck Stores (ie China!) eg humidistat - http://www.suntekstore.co.uk/product-14006239-digital_air_humidity_control_controller_wh8040.html
They have a USA site as well
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Re: Large growing room????? (moved) [Re: solarity]
#19436765 - 01/18/14 08:17 AM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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Solarity, you rock
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