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Revemu

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Coir-tek isn't pinning
#19104028 - 11/08/13 05:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi there,
First of all I would like to get some help from your community. I've colonized a half-brick coir and verm mix, I put it into a sack and let sat for a week. After full colonization I dropped some mor coir-verm mix to the top of it to make a casing layer but I failed in it because the whole got colonized. I thought this is not a problem so A week ago I started to FAE it and tried to reduce the temperature. I'm working with P.C. Pensa Cola if it's important. RH never falls below 90% but never reach 95%. Temp is room temerature between 22 and 24°C. My question is that these values are okay for fruiting? Imma busy sometimes so all I can do is FAE 4 times or 5 a day, Is that enough? I can't see any pins and a week already gone. Did I do something wrong? What should I change? What's the optimal temp to pinning shrooms? Maybe a CFL lamp would help the trigger? All informative answers are welcome and thank you!! Here are some photos about the tek:


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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Revemu]
#19104066 - 11/08/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Revemu said: I put it into a sack
Started getting increasingly confused from this point. What do you mean you put it in a sack??
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19104171 - 11/08/13 06:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I mean, following damion's tek by sterilizing the coir-verm mix in a bucket with hot water, after it turned cool I mixed with only 1 grinded PF cake, and now here comes a black plastic bag which I meant as sack; I simply poured the materials from the bucket and formed a brick from it and then it became totally colonized then just cutted the unneccessary parts from the bag to let light in the box, and started FAEing etc.. I hope I'm just impatient and pins are going to come out soon...
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Revemu]
#19104187 - 11/08/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yr substrate looks like it's doing OK...I can't believe it has colonised that far thought with only one pf cake as spawn??? Is it sat in a laundry basket? What kind of fruiting chamber are you using??
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19104329 - 11/08/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't have high hopes for a single cake spawned to a half brick of coir. I would have used upwards of 12 cakes if I were going to use cakes. Also the bucket pasteurization is not proper pasteurization which increases your success rate.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (11/08/13 08:25 AM)
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19104334 - 11/08/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It looks too dry. You need lots of excess moisture that you force to evaporate with FAE. Have you misted at all? I suggest a very heavy misting and a good minute long fanning. Then mist again. Then fan again. A couple hours later, mist and fan as normal.
You can't trust those hygrometers. If you don't feel the humidity when you put your hand in the fruiting chamber, it's not humid enough. If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.
Edit: Be prepared, you'll have a bunch of cronies telling you that you're wasting time with the bucket tek. I have personally had 100% success with it; if it works for you, use it until it doesn't work.
Edited by MisterDeadeye (11/08/13 08:29 AM)
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MisterDeadeye said: If you don't feel the humidity when you put your hand in the fruiting chamber, it's not humid enough. If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.
Please stop.....You cannot feel humidity with your hand, and condensation is not an indicator of high RH.
Condensation is from a temperature differential, not from high humidity.
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19105124 - 11/08/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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MisterDeadeye said: If you don't feel the humidity when you put your hand in the fruiting chamber, it's not humid enough. If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.
Please stop.....You cannot feel humidity with your hand, and condensation is not an indicator of high RH.
Condensation is from a temperature differential, not from high humidity.
You're funny. You know the best part of your 14k posts? It's almost all pasted from TCs and RR. You don't have an original thought of your own. The rest is stupid stuff like the post I'm quoting now. You can feel humidity. Fact.
If there is no moisture on the sides of the tub, no moisture on the sub itself, and the inside of the fruiting chamber feels no different to the hand, it's not humid enough.
I don't have a txt file with RR's posts on hand, but how about some links?
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/190/
I know, RR's name is nowhere near the site. But you have to understand, that's okay.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_humidity
Read "Other Important Facts". Namely, this: "For a given dewpoint and its corresponding absolute humidity, the relative humidity will change inversely, albeit nonlinearly, with the temperature. This is because the partial pressure of water increases with temperature – the operative principle behind everything from hair dryers to dehumidifiers.
Due to the increasing potential for a higher water vapor partial pressure at higher air temperatures, the water content of air at sea level can get as high as 3% by mass at 30 °C (86 °F) compared to no more than about 0.5% by mass at 0 °C (32 °F). This explains the low levels (in the absence of measures to add moisture) of humidity in heated structures during winter, resulting in dry skin, itchy eyes, and persistence of static electric charges. Even with saturation (100% relative humidity) outdoors, heating of infiltrated outside air that comes indoors raises its moisture capacity, which lowers relative humidity and increases evaporation rates from moist surfaces indoors (including human bodies and household plants.)
Similarly, during summer in humid climates a great deal of liquid water condenses from air cooled in air conditioners. Warmer air is cooled below its dewpoint, and the excess water vapor condenses. This phenomenon is the same as that which causes water droplets to form on the outside of a cup containing an ice-cold drink."
Yes, of course condensation has to do with temperature change. But where does the condensation come from? It doesn't just appear out of nowhere. It comes from the moisture in the air. Which has pressure. Which you can feel.
I'd really appreciate it if you'd leave some threads alone. Your inability to comprehend actual things really makes you look like an idiot a lot of the time.
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19105151 - 11/08/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes but we can't judge our rh by condensation alone as condensation will appear even in a low rh, or if you have enough fae you may not see any condensation at all and
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: cronicr]
#19105194 - 11/08/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: yes but we can't judge our rh by condensation alone as condensation will appear even in a low rh, or if you have enough fae you may not see any condensation at all and
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I used more words in that sentence. You should look at them.
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no thnx, i know about condensaion/rh for our use and have no reason to
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MisterDeadeye said: If you don't feel the humidity when you put your hand in the fruiting chamber, it's not humid enough. If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.
Please stop.....You cannot feel humidity with your hand, and condensation is not an indicator of high RH.
Condensation is from a temperature differential, not from high humidity.
You're funny.
Not really interested in the slagging off bit but just to say - your hand is not a very good or reliable judge of RH
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: cronicr]
#19105244 - 11/08/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you.......fruiting in a laundry basket?
The sub looks good, especially for colonizing it in a "sack"
If I'm reading this correctly you put down a casing but it colonized instead of fruiting. This time don't put a casing layer on it. Just mist and fan. And if your "tub" only gets FAE when you fan you should add some holes with a filter material so you can get some passive fae. If you have already done that just keep misting and fanning.
edit - meant to reply to op, not sure how to fix it
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19105251 - 11/08/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The sensor in your hygrometer isn't accurate. Look around and you'll see why we don't use them. They don't work. I'm correct in assuming the device in your chamber is a hygrometer, right? That's why you have specific percentages of humidity?
Oh, and our bodies are built to note changes in the atmosphere. They're more reliable than you'd think.
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MisterDeadeye said: The sensor in your hygrometer isn't accurate. Look around and you'll see why we don't use them. They don't work. I'm correct in assuming the device in your chamber is a hygrometer, right? That's why you have specific percentages of humidity?
Oh, and our bodies are built to note changes in the atmosphere. They're more reliable than you'd think.
Hygrometers are inaccurate. Your hand is inaccurate. I sense changes in atmospheric pressure / humidity with my senses...yes....but not with my hand 
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19105307 - 11/08/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow...talk about a handfull....lol
Yes, my posts make me look like an idiot....
At least i don't tell people that lots of condensation means you have high humidity.
Look at a SGFC....100% humidity with 0 condensation...how on earth can that happen?
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19105336 - 11/08/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Wow...talk about a handfull....lol
Yes, my posts make me look like an idiot....
At least i don't tell people that lots of condensation means you have high humidity.
Look at a SGFC....100% humidity with 0 condensation...how on earth can that happen?
That's not what I said. I wonder how long this conversation is going to go on before you realize that you can't pick a fight with everyone here and that you aren't right all of the time. Reread the post or don't. I don't care, the logic behind it stands.
Edit: About the SGFC. I have seen this thread before. Whenever someone mentions condensation as an indicator of high humidity, you go on about the SGFC.
The SGFC has constant FAE. There isn't much of a temperature differential so there is no condensation. Condensation indicates high humidity. All of these statements are factual.
Monotubs aren't SGFCs. There is typically less FAE and there is a temperature differential. The condensation occurs because the temperature is higher in the tub and there is a lot of moisture in the air. Once again, condensation in a monotub indicates high humidity.
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don't judge rh with your hand, use good judgement or an anolog hygrometer. for our obby condensation doesn't mean our rh is perfect.
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Notahacker420 said: At least i don't tell people that lots of condensation means you have high humidity.
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MisterDeadeye said: If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.

Just because there is condensation on the walls and on the surface of the substrate, still does not mean the humidity is good enough.
Again, using your logic, a SGFC should have condensation or the humidity is not high enough....but this is just not the case.
Bulk substrates in monotubs create 10+ degrees of heat easily...this is why there is condensation.
Even if the RH was 10%, with that temperature differential, there would still be condensation.
So how does what you said make any type of sense?
Not trying to argue here, but I go over this shit everyday....it's kinda getting old.
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: cronicr]
#19105401 - 11/08/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: don't judge rh with your hand, use good judgement or an anolog hygrometer. for our obby condensation doesn't mean our rh is perfect.
You don't care to read through my post again, so I'll reiterate for you because you've taken offense to the tone I took with 420.
I told him that if he cannot feel moisture in the tub with his hand, if there is no moisture on the substrate, and if there is no condensation, then the RH is low. Those three things are what you're referring to by good judgment. That is how you judge, by looking and feeling.
I never said condensation is required for a usable humidity. Seriously, I feel like these posts are falling on deaf ears.
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i'm not offended aat your tone towards hacker(but don't push i or i'll snap)
an no moisture/condensation could be more from too much fae and not low rh
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MisterDeadeye said: I never said condensation is required for a usable humidity.
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Then what does this mean?
Because this is where I got confused....
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19105448 - 11/08/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: At least i don't tell people that lots of condensation means you have high humidity.
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MisterDeadeye said: If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.

Just because there is condensation on the walls and on the surface of the substrate, still does not mean the humidity is good enough.
Again, using your logic, a SGFC should have condensation or the humidity is not high enough....but this is just not the case.
Bulk substrates in monotubs create 10+ degrees of heat easily...this is why there is condensation.
Even if the RH was 10%, with that temperature differential, there would still be condensation.
So how does what you said make any Not trying to argue here, but I go over this shit everyday....it's kinda getting old.
I agree. I'd prefer to see this forum filled with people having meaningful discussion on cultivation, not the same four questions posted over and over.
Where you and I are disconnecting is with the way we're wording this. Technically speaking, those are the words that I used. And they are correct. However, you're seeing it as "Condensation is required for high humidity". That's not what I'm saying.
Not seeing condensation in a SGFC is normal. My edit above addressed that. However, you stated that with an RH of 10% and a temperature of +10 degrees, you'd see condensation. That's incorrect. Condensation can't occur if there isn't extra moisture in the air.
Again, condensation indicates a difference in humidity. That is half of the equation for how condensation is created. The other is temperature. It is not either/or. It is both. 100% of the time.
I apologize for the immature nature of my previous posts, but you are still incorrect.
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MisterDeadeye said: If you can't see water droplets on the substrate at any point, or condensation on the walls, it's not humid enough.

Just because there is condensation on the walls and on the surface of the substrate, still does not mean the humidity is good enough.
Again, using your logic, a SGFC should have condensation or the humidity is not high enough....but this is just not the case.
Bulk substrates in monotubs create 10+ degrees of heat easily...this is why there is condensation.
Even if the RH was 10%, with that temperature differential, there would still be condensation.
So how does what you said make any Not trying to argue here, but I go over this shit everyday....it's kinda getting old.
I agree. I'd prefer to see this forum filled with people having meaningful discussion on cultivation, not the same four questions posted over and over.
Where you and I are disconnecting is with the way we're wording this. Technically speaking, those are the words that I used. And they are correct. However, you're seeing it as "Condensation is required for high humidity". That's not what I'm saying.
Not seeing condensation in a SGFC is normal. My edit above addressed that. However, you stated that with an RH of 10% and a temperature of +10 degrees, you'd see condensation. That's incorrect. Condensation can't occur if there isn't extra moisture in the air.
Again, condensation indicates a difference in humidity. That is half of the equation for how condensation is created. The other is temperature. It is not either/or. It is both. 100% of the time.
I apologize for the immature nature of my previous posts, but you are still incorrect.
What you were saying is you can judge RH with yr hand - which is a buncha crap
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MisterDeadeye said: Not seeing condensation in a SGFC is normal. My edit above addressed that. However, you stated that with an RH of 10% and a temperature of +10 degrees, you'd see condensation. That's incorrect. Condensation can't occur if there isn't extra moisture in the air.
Really?
What about your house in the winter....which should have very low humidity.
Go in the fridge and crack open a can of beer.
In 5 minutes the can will have condensation on it....even if the humidity in your house was 10%.
Why?
Then look at your fogged up windows which have condensation on them.
Then ask yourself, is there extra moisture in my house, or is there just a temperature difference?
You cannot judge humidity with your hand, and no one needs to look for condensation to give them an idea of what the RH is...it just doesn't work like that.
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
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MisterDeadeye said: Not seeing condensation in a SGFC is normal. My edit above addressed that. However, you stated that with an RH of 10% and a temperature of +10 degrees, you'd see condensation. That's incorrect. Condensation can't occur if there isn't extra moisture in the air.
Really?
What about your house in the winter....which should have very low humidity.
Go in the fridge and crack open a can of beer.
In 5 minutes the can will have condensation on it....even if the humidity in your house was 10%.
Why?
Then look at your fogged up windows which have condensation on them.
Then ask yourself, is there extra moisture in my house, or is there just a temperature difference?
There is condensation on the beer bottle and window because of the water vapors in your house and the temperature differential. You can't have condensation without water. I'm late for work but I'd be more than happy to keep discussing this with you through PM or whatever. I probably won't remember to check this thread when I get back.
Edit: If the humidity was 10%, there would be very little, if any, condensation. Test this if you want.
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MisterDeadeye said: Not seeing condensation in a SGFC is normal. My edit above addressed that. However, you stated that with an RH of 10% and a temperature of +10 degrees, you'd see condensation. That's incorrect. Condensation can't occur if there isn't extra moisture in the air.
Really?
What about your house in the winter....which should have very low humidity.
Go in the fridge and crack open a can of beer.
In 5 minutes the can will have condensation on it....even if the humidity in your house was 10%.
Why?
Then look at your fogged up windows which have condensation on them.
Then ask yourself, is there extra moisture in my house, or is there just a temperature difference?
I probably won't remember to check this thread when I get back.
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19105521 - 11/08/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Before I go, I'm fruting a monotub right now. There is no condensation at the moment because it has a lot of FAE. I know it's humid by feeling it. Your hands can sense the water vapor in the air. I already gave you a link talking about it.
And I never said condensation was important or necessary. Just that it indicates the presence of moisture. Still true.
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So beer cans in the desert don't condensate?
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Revemu]
#19105536 - 11/08/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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always remember the main pinning trigger is evaporation of moisture on the surface of the substrate so just make sure you can see moisture on the top of the substrate give it some fanning and then mist some more
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19106686 - 11/08/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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MisterDeadeye said: Edit: If the humidity was 10%, there would be very little, if any, condensation. Test this if you want.
So beer cans in the desert don't condensate?
No, NAH, beer cans in the desert don't sweat. I don't know how many times I've told you that. They don't even sweat here in Alberta.
Deadeye, I've tried explaining this to him several times. He absolutely refuses to try to learn anything from any outside source, or to listen to you if you're not a TC. But best of luck, homie.
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Psilicon]
#19106720 - 11/08/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, I am thick headed, and only parrot RR...yea yea yea, yada yada yada.....
Here are some "outside sources".....
Does condensation happen in deserts?
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Water-in-the-Desert
They even make products that work off this principle...
http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/air-water-collector
Now try convincing me some more.....
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19106800 - 11/08/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Yes, I am thick headed, and only parrot RR...yea yea yea, yada yada yada.....
Here are some "outside sources".....
Does condensation happen in deserts?
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Water-in-the-Desert
They even make products that work off this principle...
http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/air-water-collector
Now try convincing me some more.....
Great! Good start. The first one acknowledges that with little moisture in the air, you may well have to have something significantly below freezing to have condensation occur, because condensation relies on humidity.
The second one relies on plants to increase the moisture in either a bag or a pit, so that you can make use of the temperature differential to cause the precipitation of the now increased moisture in the air.
The last one struck me as a little odd, so I went and tried to find reviews. I couldn't, mostly because it's not an actual product and it's never been made. Check out the comments here.
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Psilicon]
#19107006 - 11/08/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Get this and be done with guessing! http://www.amazon.com/CALIBER-DIGITAL-HYGROMETER-CIGAR-HUMIDOR/dp/B00A9W41GI/ref=pd_sbs_misc_1
If its good enough for a cigar humidor its good enough for us.
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Bass808]
#19107039 - 11/08/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bass808 said: Get this and be done with guessing! http://www.amazon.com/CALIBER-DIGITAL-HYGROMETER-CIGAR-HUMIDOR/dp/B00A9W41GI/ref=pd_sbs_misc_1
If its good enough for a cigar humidor its good enough for us.
Electronics and high humidity don't really mix.
Cigars are not kept at high RH....Analog hygrometers are better for this hobby....ones that you can calibrate.
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: PussyFart]
#19107157 - 11/08/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyway I'm really twisted and for some reason came back to teh computer. I find all this bickering but still no resolution of the most integral question of WHY IS THAT SHIT IN A LAUNDRY BASKET???
Edited by Skinty (11/08/13 06:52 PM)
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19107166 - 11/08/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is why you don't have pinning IME 
Edit: sorry it's past my bed time
Edited by Skinty (11/08/13 06:57 PM)
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Psilicon]
#19107281 - 11/08/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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van der griegen said:
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Notahacker420 said:
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MisterDeadeye said: Edit: If the humidity was 10%, there would be very little, if any, condensation. Test this if you want.
So beer cans in the desert don't condensate?
No, NAH, beer cans in the desert don't sweat.
If we are going to be technical and scientific I would like to point out that beer cans don't actually have sweat glands thus making it impossible for them to sweat. But I'm really high so discount what I just said 
Edit: crap did it again - way past my bedtime now. think the clonazepam has reduced me to a point of homeostasis. Off to the pub then
Edited by Skinty (11/08/13 07:28 PM)
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Skinty]
#19108907 - 11/09/13 02:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guys I've read your suggestions and conversation in connection with humidity, moisture and condensation. I did not tell that; I always keep the mycelium surface moisted, If I can't see any water droplets on the walls neither on the myc surface, I supposed to mist it. I'd like to ask what's better: to mist everything including the laundry basket (lol) walls and the surface too or should I avoid misting the surface, or is it enough to mist only the surface? Any pros/contras? (I am misting the whole basket nows) Of course what was in connection about the humidity and hygrometer is important and to stay outside the "frontlines": I have been checking the humidity with my hands too, but I can't just refer to my senses this is why I have a hygrometer. I can't trust my own senses and there's no digits in my hands to read the RH level properly but maybe my hands can give me suggestions about misting just by feeling the air with hands.
About the laundry basket wrapped with neylon sacks: CHEAP. No other reason. Functions as a plastic box. I don't see any disadvantage caused by the laundry basket, but offense it, I am interested in it.
"I told him that if he cannot feel moisture in the tub with his hand, if there is no moisture on the substrate, and if there is no condensation, then the RH is low. Those three things are what you're referring to by good judgment. That is how you judge, by looking and feeling."
This is what I've done for a week and with the help of a hygro all I can tell is that the humidity was never low. I think it was never high enough, too. I can't raise it over 95%, however maybe this is not as important as a regular FAE. A week passed and I still waiting for pinning, I was trying to follow the suggestions but I've done this before I posted here.
I am going to post pics after pinning, I am hopeful now, to tell the truth I was posted here to get confirmation about the way how am I doing this correctly or not. Anyway, thank you for all who posted here!
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Re: Coir-tek isn't pinning [Re: Revemu]
#19109784 - 11/09/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mist your sub, thee moisture on the surface is the humidiity that matters most
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