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OfflineCLIT
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should I buy some twitter stocks and how many?
    #19103916 - 11/08/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I can't think of a number other than 100 shares of twitter at $26 each would cost $2600. I could gamble here. I think twitter is actually useful than facebook and $26 at the first day of IPO is a good price though it should be less. I say twitter is useful because it gives an update instantly up to the minute whether it's a "sales" event of your favorite retailer or a coupon code offer from you favorite online store. Maybe a quick note from your favorite music artist and so on without the junk mess that is facebook. Facebook's IPO was kinda high when it came out. What do you people think? If I had big money I'd gamble for more shares of twitter and not just 100. Just trying to come up with a number that could make me some nice returns after the stock broker fees and so on.


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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: CLIT]
    #19103970 - 11/08/13 03:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i think you should answer this question:  what sort of annual profit does twitter (the company) make?


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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: Yrat]
    #19104013 - 11/08/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have no clue. Looks like I missed the $26 IPO of twitter shares. It is now $44.90 per share. I don't know of any twitter profits was disclosed or maybe I just didn't follow any of it. I'm a newbie looking to gamble. I wasn't looking into long term investment at all. I was in it for a quickie. Had I been following the news I could have bought some twitter IPO for $26 yesterday and made some money by the end of the day.

So if twitter has no annual profit like a Google, then are you saying it's not a good company to invest in since they don't really produce any products?

Where can I find out about an up coming IPO? I know if the company is "hot" enough it gets on the news. Are the upcoming IPOs usually announced on papers like Financial Times?

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i think you should answer this question:  what sort of annual profit does twitter (the company) make?




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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: CLIT]
    #19104033 - 11/08/13 05:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol was Twitter actually publicly available at the $26 price tag? or was that before it opened up on the market?

I don't know much about twitter and how their revenue streams work. I find it cool how FB turned from their < $20 share value into a smooth ~$50/share value today. Haven't heard that jump mentioned in the media at all. Maybe $40+ for Twitter right now is an excellent buy. Would like to hear some expert advice :laugh:


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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: Horse_Meister]
    #19104289 - 11/08/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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lol was Twitter actually publicly available at the $26 price tag? or was that before it opened up on the market?




Negative.  $26 was the pricing per share offered to those who took the initial public offering directly from the banks who were underwriting the deal. Generally, you need to have an active relationship with these specific investment banks well before a high profile IPO becomes available if you want to be granted a portion of the initial public offering at its official price.  Once high profile stocks hit the open market, there is generally so much frenzy that they are immediately overvalued by the disproportionate demand, and that's why it's hard to get the actual IPO price direct from the bank, because supply is limited and well connected buyers are banking on the fact that the open market will bid the shares up blindly, so they gobble up the available shares via the relationships they have with their brokers, before the aggregate public even gets a chance.

The Facebook IPO was an interesting phenomena because it actually was easy for retail (i.e. small fry) investors to get their hands on a chunk of the IPO.  Though I do admittedly trade a lot, I had no trouble being offered shares by my broker TDAmeritrade, which was something I did not expect would be the case.  I think it was something like 70% of the IPO went to retail investors which is highly unusual, that number is usually flipped around, where 70% of the IPO will go to institutional investors who do major business with the banks, because the banks want to reward them for their major business.  The fact that a retail investor could easily grab almost as much of the FB IPO as they wanted was a red flag that the issue would be oversubscribed and overpriced.  Hence, why FB suffered after its IPO, once people realized how richly the company had been priced and that most people who wanted shares, already obtained them.  Fortunately, FB knows how to make money and grow their business.  I have been holding common stock and call options on FB for the past several months, but sold most of my positions last week for a handsome profit and am now only short a few put positions (a less aggressive strategy), since I am slightly concerned about the short term health of the market and generally don't like to do a lot of trading during the holiday season.  Nevertheless, right here right now, FB is my huckleberry and Twitter can get lost.  In fact, I will actually be picking up some longer dated (January 2015) $50 calls on FB today, since I am seeing TWTR trade down as FB holds its 50 day moving average.  Putting my $ where my mouth is, I think FB is by far the better stock.



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I don't know much about twitter and how their revenue streams work. I find it cool how FB turned from their < $20 share value into a smooth ~$50/share value today. Haven't heard that jump mentioned in the media at all. Maybe $40+ for Twitter right now is an excellent buy. Would like to hear some expert advice :laugh:



Twitter and Facebook, while both in the social media space, have some key differences.  Namely, Twitter has fewer active members, member growth is decelerating and they are not presently profitable.  Compare that to Facebook, which has one of the largest user bases on the planet and was already profitable at the time of their IPO.  One of the reasons the IPO on Facebook struggled (in addition to the reason I noted above) was because of concerns over how the company (of IF they company) could successfully monetize their mobile platform, which is where members are increasingly using the product.  Well Facebook has proven that while mobile advertising was a small percentage of their business at the time of their IPO, they have successfully made it a major contributor to their earnings (bringing in $880 million in the most recent quarter versus only $150 million in the comparable period one year prior).

Twitter?  Doesn't really interest me.  They will try to make money the same way Facebook does, through advertising and promoted content, but they have a long way to go.  Of course, being the underdog means that they have a lot of potential to surprise to the upside, but such a richly valued IPO on a company that isn't even profitable is not really my cup of tea.


Edit: FB is breaking down at its 50 day moving average, so my recommendation to purchase this stock is no longer actionable, though I still prefer it to TWTR on a fundamental basis.


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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: geokills]
    #19108910 - 11/09/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

geokills, didn't facebook flop?

doesn't IPO mean initial public offering? Then the twitter IPO this past thursday was $26. I thought the public could buy into the IPO?


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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: CLIT]
    #19109499 - 11/09/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He explained that in his post:

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Negative.  $26 was the pricing per share offered to those who took the initial public offering directly from the banks who were underwriting the deal. Generally, you need to have an active relationship with these specific investment banks well before a high profile IPO becomes available if you want to be granted a portion of the initial public offering at its official price.  Once high profile stocks hit the open market, there is generally so much frenzy that they are immediately overvalued by the disproportionate demand, and that's why it's hard to get the actual IPO price direct from the bank, because supply is limited and well connected buyers are banking on the fact that the open market will bid the shares up blindly, so they gobble up the available shares via the relationships they have with their brokers, before the aggregate public even gets a chance.




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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: CLIT]
    #19111130 - 11/09/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yrat said:
i think you should answer this question:  what sort of annual profit does twitter (the company) make?



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I have no clue.




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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19115974 - 11/10/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

$FB was priced perfectly for FB. The whole point of an IPO is to get money into the company, which FB did very well - they got every penny they could for the company. TWTR was a disaster for the company, as they only got paid about 50 cents on the dollar for what should have gone into their company.

As for the institutional investors who made 70%+ for doing nothing, I think that's a super shitty way to handle a 'market'. I'm not sure why IPO's aren't listed and sold direct to whomever places an order. I think some companies go that route, where they set a number of shares and a set floor, and then open up trading. That way, every dollar paid for those initial shares go to the company. Seems much more efficient considering an IPO is a way to get capital for the company and isn't supposed to be way to get hedge fund managers new boats.

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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: Groovy Grant]
    #19116107 - 11/10/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Myself personally. I wouldnt buy any stocks in twitter nor facebook. I dont see them going up very much. An they can fall at anytime.


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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: fortydubz]
    #19137259 - 11/14/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Invest in what you want... But my honest opinion that you dont have to listen to. I wouldn't invest in any thing that the government funded as a social experiment to watch the public and catch stupid criminals.


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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: fortydubz]
    #19139615 - 11/15/13 03:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

true. I was in it for short term which actually made some people money.

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Myself personally. I wouldnt buy any stocks in twitter nor facebook. I dont see them going up very much. An they can fall at anytime.




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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: CLIT]
    #19141732 - 11/15/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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true. I was in it for short term which actually made some people money.

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Myself personally. I wouldnt buy any stocks in twitter nor facebook. I dont see them going up very much. An they can fall at anytime.






i think if Facebook doesn't start diversifying quickly something will come along to replace it. Already the user base is dropping. Social media sites rise and fall all the time, Myspace at one time was a giant, now look at it. I see the same fate for Facebook, and twitter, except i believe twitter will last longer.


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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19141797 - 11/15/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

instagram is all ready taking fbooks spot


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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: Tsukasa]
    #19186203 - 11/25/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Given the obvious failure of Facebook's IPO, I would stay away from these social media stock for at least a couple of month after the IPO.

But that's just me.


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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: CLIT]
    #19186637 - 11/25/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I can't think of a number other than 100 shares of twitter at $26 each would cost $2600. I could gamble here. I think twitter is actually useful than facebook and $26 at the first day of IPO is a good price though it should be less. I say twitter is useful because it gives an update instantly up to the minute whether it's a "sales" event of your favorite retailer or a coupon code offer from you favorite online store. Maybe a quick note from your favorite music artist and so on without the junk mess that is facebook. Facebook's IPO was kinda high when it came out. What do you people think? If I had big money I'd gamble for more shares of twitter and not just 100. Just trying to come up with a number that could make me some nice returns after the stock broker fees and so on.






Well, say goodbye to 2600


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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: Patlal]
    #19193835 - 11/26/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Given the obvious failure of Facebook's IPO, I would stay away from these social media stock for at least a couple of month after the IPO.

But that's just me.




agreed. someone on here told me to stay away from facebook when it went public and im glad i listened.


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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: ManianFH]
    #19203103 - 11/28/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: geokills]
    #19203318 - 11/29/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That was me. :tongue2:

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haha thanks Geo!


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Re: should I buy some twitter stocks and how many? [Re: ManianFH]
    #19211016 - 12/01/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ok thanks for putting some sense back in me people. A lot of the profitable stocks are all priced high now. LOL. Any stock that you bought low and sold high is profitable. Like I said at the start of the thread, if I was able to buy the IPO of twitter, I would have made some money. I think people made money out of these social network stocks for about a day.


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