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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19102638 - 11/07/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19102709 - 11/07/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The possibility is even greater that nothing esoteric whatsoever is going on.

We have millions of cases of mental illness, hallucinations, delirium, fantasies, waking dreams, hypnagogic and hypnopompic states and so forth.

Compare that to zero verified cases of entity contact.




And none of those experiences as adequately understood either . It's possible that real entity contact plays a role in some of those phenomena as well.




You never know. I always wondered if conscious states could divine to other dimensions.


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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Yogi1]
    #19102804 - 11/07/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I believe they can, and do. Some of my personal experiences make me think it is possible under some circumstances .


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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Yogi1]
    #19102834 - 11/07/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I always wondered if conscious states could divine to other dimensions.




And you will continue to wonder. That is the beauty of this type of nonsense. Topics favored by mystic-heads are those that cannot be refuted by any known form of testing nor any amount of factual data; thus they can be held onto indefinitely.

Real science comes up with falsifiable hypotheses.


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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19102865 - 11/07/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No denying that.of coarse. Really you blew my mind when I related cell death to universal death. It's unreal.


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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19103398 - 11/07/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What they mystic is interested in is states of consciousness and the efficacy of certain techniques for attaining those states of consciousness.

One can desire the state of deep inner peace and then test a variety of techniques to see which ones help you achieve that state.

Overtime this has led to the development of time tested techniques that are highly effective for achievining the desired states of consciousness.

Chanting, drumming, dancing, meditation, yoga, tantra, pranayama, mantra, mandala, mudra, asana, certain forms of music, psychedelic drugs, lucid dreaming etc.

They are tested through practice. If one hypothesizes that meditation leads to a state of deep inner peace one tests that hypothesis by practicing the meditation. When the desired state of deep inner peace is attained the hypothesis is considered proven. Meditation is shown by experience to work, to achieve the desired effect.


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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19103473 - 11/07/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

After 10 years of intensive meditation with only minimal benefits, I found I am able to achieve very specific states of consciousness best through athletic competition. Sometimes when I tap into 'The Flow' I can do near-magic and other people notice. I am not sure if it is mystical in nature, it feels more like trusting your animal body and getting conscious thinking out of the way. But it is a balance. First the conscious mind must choose the course of action, visualize it to show the animal self what 'we' are trying to accomplish, and then quickly get out of the way to let the instinctual subconscious part to take over and execute.

I get more from this than any eastern course of action or view, not because it is the best, but because it is the best FOR ME. I have followed other's paths and they don't quite fit.


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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19104767 - 11/08/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"when I tap into 'The Flow' I can do near-magic "

So there you go then.

You understand.


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