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Patlal
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Re: How to get noticed online? [Re: Kalypto]
#19099728 - 11/07/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Write down your post count in your profile OP. Bitches love post counts
Just send a lot of messages to every girl you think looks cute, its a numbers game
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Kalypto
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Re: How to get noticed online? [Re: Patlal]
#19099807 - 11/07/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I normally try to talk to every girl I think is cute , I normally get like 10 responses out of a hundred and maybe one that I actually talk to for a bit
Like I said I think Im gonna try and get my life sorted out work on "loving myself" then get back out there in public
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Re: How to get noticed online? [Re: Kalypto]
#19100013 - 11/07/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ive bought multiple books Downloaded tons of movies From ones like niel stauss or what ever
Nei Strauss is a complete fag IMO, not that his stuff doesn't work, it probably does, anything works if you apply it enough, but his whole being just rubs me the wrong fucking way. If that matters. Sorry to any readers that like his book, I'm glad it works for ya.
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and mystery and matador and lovedrop
So let me get this straight, you learned NOTHING useful from these guys? Matador I don't know, but Mystery and Lovedrop are pretty decent. Are you telling me especially with Mystery, at no point did you stop and go "Hmm, what an awesome thing to know, I never thought about that!" - you knew all that stuff by default and doing it right in practice? Kino escalation and everything by the book? Just wow, is all I can say 
Not pushing this stuff, just curious. Most people dismiss PUA material without even looking into it. I've never seen anybody to check out several authors and conclude they're all useless for their life.
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I wouldnt do anything I wouldnt tell someone about , If I cant tell the girl Im trying to talk to that I use PUA books and am a PUA then I dont want to
Well I have 2 points to make on this one:
1. When you ask a girl out, say for coffee. Do you tell her right then and there that you're asking her for coffee, so that you can later make out and then on the second date go over to your place and fuck and then hopefully she'll be your gf and then marry and have your babies and grow old together? Do you mention all this explicitly when first asking a girl out?
Because if not, then by your logic you probably shouldn't ask her out at all, you'd be doing something and couldn't verbally tell her about it.
2. I've told plenty of girls about the books and the PUA stuff and not one was turned off by it. Some were curious, some rolled their eyes and were completely uninterested but none of them slapped me in the face and walked out of the room, how dare I use techniques and whatever. It doesn't happen. Mostly they might care somewhat about these observations on human attraction and behavior.
I have absolutely no problem admitting I used to suck at girls. I mean my god, the fucking extent of it boggles the mind, if I gave you any amount of details from what I was like in high school or first years of college, Jeezus. But, ever the explorer, I googled the shit out of this, put in the hours and now I can go out and strike up a convo, get some shit going with some reasonable success rate I can live with. Any girl is welcome to ask about how these things work, and I'll freely disclose anything that I've used already, if it's not to weird to talk about. I may not talk about things I plan to do from then on, because as you've seen in point 1 that would be weird, but once the deed is done I have no problem spilling the beans. I don't care and she won't mind. It's not an issue.
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And any guy who says he is a PUA will most likely get turned down by any girl I want
And you know this how exactly? Let me guess, the girls you want are "special"? 
Not trying yo bring you down man, I'm just having real trouble understanding your position on PUA material. Literally you're the first person that has actually put in some time to check it out, and still holds on to what sounds like basic uninformed opinions.
Like let's take your shoulder line for instance. 100% non-verbal stuff.
How does fixing your body language so you don't act like a wuss, make you less genuine? Do you have to tell the girl? Oh you're hot and so I wanted to face you head on like a chump, but since I saw this video and now I know that's a retarded thing to do, I'm still at 45 degrees. But I'm actually desperate and lonely as fuck and would really like to face you fully, but I don't because of the PUA video said I shouldn't.
Do you have to explain and tell the girl that stuff, or just fucking learn where to face and do it?
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Like I said I think Im gonna try and get my life sorted out work on "loving myself" then get back out there in public
Oh you'll be "loving yourself" quite a bit, no worries there
-------------------- Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.
For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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Re: How to get noticed online? [Re: Spacerific]
#19100099 - 11/07/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ugh wall of text
To lazy to fully reply
Neil IMO is for richer higher life There is knowledge in that book that is great , But I refuse to build a routine of it
oh and the coffee thing , if I take her on a date and she asks what my intentions are , I say that shit I lay it the fuck down , Im not crude about It but if I take a girl on a date she knows Im interested
the part where girl i like would turn me down if i said that , I have asked exs
I dont want to act as an alpha male if im not , Just cause I remember to give off that vibe in one situation doesnt mean I always will and then Id seem fake or something
Id rather be seen for who I am
I wont lie PUA info floats around my head all the time
but I will not set up routines of someone im not and fill into those shoes
Id rather just fail 100 times more and If I become an alpha male popular confident whatever
For awhile I wanted to do it a lot like when I was sixteen and had no car so I couldnt go sarge
Im sure some of this is contradictory but I still dont know who I entirely am or who I would even hope to be
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Lynnch
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Re: How to get noticed online? [Re: Kalypto]
#19100229 - 11/07/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Like let's take your shoulder line for instance. 100% non-verbal stuff.
How does fixing your body language so you don't act like a wuss, make you less genuine? Do you have to tell the girl? Oh you're hot and so I wanted to face you head on like a chump, but since I saw this video and now I know that's a retarded thing to do, I'm still at 45 degrees. But I'm actually desperate and lonely as fuck and would really like to face you fully, but I don't because of the PUA video said I shouldn't.
Shoulder line? What a bunch of retarded nonsense. I hope you didn't pay for that 'technique'. "Don't be a beta man! Be a completely fake, ingenuine, alpha douche to the point that you're worried about the angle your shoulders are pointing!" For fucks sake. PUA
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Kalypto
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Re: How to get noticed online? [Re: Lynnch]
#19100235 - 11/07/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lynnch said:
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Like let's take your shoulder line for instance. 100% non-verbal stuff.
How does fixing your body language so you don't act like a wuss, make you less genuine? Do you have to tell the girl? Oh you're hot and so I wanted to face you head on like a chump, but since I saw this video and now I know that's a retarded thing to do, I'm still at 45 degrees. But I'm actually desperate and lonely as fuck and would really like to face you fully, but I don't because of the PUA video said I shouldn't.
Shoulder line? What a bunch of retarded nonsense. I hope you didn't pay for that 'technique'. "Don't be a beta man! Be a completely fake, ingenuine, alpha douche to the point that you're worried about the angle your shoulders are pointing!" For fucks sake. PUA 
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Re: How to get noticed online? [Re: Lynnch]
#19100531 - 11/07/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lynnch said:
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Like let's take your shoulder line for instance. 100% non-verbal stuff.
How does fixing your body language so you don't act like a wuss, make you less genuine? Do you have to tell the girl? Oh you're hot and so I wanted to face you head on like a chump, but since I saw this video and now I know that's a retarded thing to do, I'm still at 45 degrees. But I'm actually desperate and lonely as fuck and would really like to face you fully, but I don't because of the PUA video said I shouldn't.
Shoulder line? What a bunch of retarded nonsense. I hope you didn't pay for that 'technique'. "Don't be a beta man! Be a completely fake, ingenuine, alpha douche to the point that you're worried about the angle your shoulders are pointing!" For fucks sake. PUA 
Of course I didn't pay for any material, wtf people do that? 
It's not a "technique". It's one of several different things to be somewhat mindful of. Once you're doing it right, you can stop worrying about it and go about your day. If you're doing it wrong (and chumps and nerds WILL be doing it wrong until it's pointed out to them) then it'll contribute to fucking up girl interactions. Not by itself, but with the shitty eye contact, shaky insecure voice, defensive body language, they all add up. You can tell from a distance when a chump is trying to talk to a girl and failing hard, even if you don't hear the convo. The body language gives the whole thing away.
Obviously if you're chill with yourself and have a great life and all is going awesome, you don't need to know any of this, ever. The eye contact, the conversation topics, the body language, everything will go smooth by itself, no need to pay any attention at all to anything. Just show up and be your awesome self 
You need to read OP's posts again and see if he's in such an amazingly great state right now, or if minor improvements here and there might help. I haven't seen him in RL, he may be awesome at this stuff, but I doubt it. We're in a thread that starts with trying to impress girls online and ends with "loving oneself" until he's ready. If PUA material isn't relevant here, then I don't know what is.
Hand lotion tips perhaps?
-------------------- Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.
For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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Re: How to get noticed online? [Re: Spacerific]
#19101925 - 11/07/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look, I get the point of it all, I understand how it could help; but PUA just comes off as so shallow, like it treats all the symptoms but not the cause. It tells you how to appear confident and in control, by pretty much just tacking on a whole slew of new insecurities and dumb things to worry about; when in reality guys just need to work on being confident and in control- most of the time accomplished by chilling the fuck out and treating girls like other relatable human beings instead of some obstacle you need to read up on to figure out.
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Re: How to get noticed online? [Re: Lynnch]
#19102703 - 11/07/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I get what you're saying as well. There's a point after which concentrating on details and shoulder angles becomes empty and ludicrous. If you look at it that way, every skill can be pushed and overanalyzed to unhealthy extremes.
If one takes PUA to be a superficial covering up of insecurities with some shallow quick fixes, indeed some crappy results will follow. Fake alpha-looking dudes with little or no real content inside.
If you look however at programs like Deep Inner Game, all of that is an experienced therapist, explaining his system of how a mature human being functions, and what to work on to get there. Things like healthy boundaries, relating to other people in general, parents bosses spouses and so on. At no point are pick-up lines or even body language issues discussed, as that's all details and tactics. They are important as well, but they're by no means the core or the only thing PUA materials talk about.
I don't like the name of this field btw, perhaps the Venusian Arts would be more appropriate. It's less shallow, implies less demeaning simple control or superficial gimmicks, and focus on longer term relationships, not just the pick-up (the start).
As for the techniques and tactics, most are often very simple once someone points them out, but they're not intuitive, they don't pop in one's mind by default. Super easy to stress about what to SAY to a girl, and then walk up to her and fuck up all the rest of the body language, or take her out, have a great time and get friendzoned because you made no physical contact at all. Simple retarded shit like that, very easy to get wrong if one doesn't know what they're supposed to be doing. And when young and just starting out with girls, most guys don't.
-------------------- Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.
For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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Kalypto
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Re: How to get noticed online? [Re: Spacerific]
#19103228 - 11/07/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spacerific said: Lynnch said:
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Like let's take your shoulder line for instance. 100% non-verbal stuff.
How does fixing your body language so you don't act like a wuss, make you less genuine? Do you have to tell the girl? Oh you're hot and so I wanted to face you head on like a chump, but since I saw this video and now I know that's a retarded thing to do, I'm still at 45 degrees. But I'm actually desperate and lonely as fuck and would really like to face you fully, but I don't because of the PUA video said I shouldn't.
Shoulder line? What a bunch of retarded nonsense. I hope you didn't pay for that 'technique'. "Don't be a beta man! Be a completely fake, ingenuine, alpha douche to the point that you're worried about the angle your shoulders are pointing!" For fucks sake. PUA 
Of course I didn't pay for any material, wtf people do that? 
It's not a "technique". It's one of several different things to be somewhat mindful of. Once you're doing it right, you can stop worrying about it and go about your day. If you're doing it wrong (and chumps and nerds WILL be doing it wrong until it's pointed out to them) then it'll contribute to fucking up girl interactions. Not by itself, but with the shitty eye contact, shaky insecure voice, defensive body language, they all add up. You can tell from a distance when a chump is trying to talk to a girl and failing hard, even if you don't hear the convo. The body language gives the whole thing away.
Obviously if you're chill with yourself and have a great life and all is going awesome, you don't need to know any of this, ever. The eye contact, the conversation topics, the body language, everything will go smooth by itself, no need to pay any attention at all to anything. Just show up and be your awesome self 
You need to read OP's posts again and see if he's in such an amazingly great state right now, or if minor improvements here and there might help. I haven't seen him in RL, he may be awesome at this stuff, but I doubt it. We're in a thread that starts with trying to impress girls online and ends with "loving oneself" until he's ready. If PUA material isn't relevant here, then I don't know what is.
Hand lotion tips perhaps? 
Yes they do its called supporting people who helped you I still buy games from my favorite developers when I can get them for free
I stopped reading after that , And im done talking about PUA personally
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