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MUSH HEAD420
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Re: Before the hyphal knots... [Re: jpack666]
#19103214 - 11/07/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right before you put into fruiting conditions it is good to give it a good mist and then let it go without misting until you see pins then you can mist again so the mushrooms use up as much as possible.
The mushroom mycelium have been storing energy for the fruit, as soon as it runs out of food it will pin and then it will use the energy + water to create mushrooms. It just so happens that drying out makes it want to pin. Kinda like taking light and nutes away from a pot plant so it buds.
It could take up to 2 weeks if conditions are not optimal. You probably will not see the knots as they will form under the casing layer and you will see the pins as they poke though.
Edited by MUSH HEAD420 (11/07/13 10:24 PM)
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jpack666



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It could take up to 2 weeks if conditions are not optimal. You probably will not see the knots as they will form under the casing layer and you will see the pins as they poke though.
Really! Makes me realize it was really time to put in FC
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jpack666



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Re: Before the hyphal knots... [Re: jpack666]
#19107674 - 11/08/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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New pic added one more day, 6 to go before pins. Still giving fae, see top for pic sequence
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MastaBlastar
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Re: Before the hyphal knots... [Re: PussyFart]
#19109386 - 11/09/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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MastaBlastar said: EDIT:And not a Hacker, you should have gotten an American made gun safe. I can break into that thing in about 30 seconds with minimal tools or sound. Literally a flat pice of metal, like a slim jim for a car, would work. Beyond that a drill would do it in about 2 min if I can't get at the code reset switch.
Not really bro...it is american made....Mesa Safe Company.....manufactured in California.
http://www.menards.com/main/safes/pistols-up-to-14/mesa-safe-6-4-cu-ft-capacity-burglary-and-fire-safe/p-1924404-c-6979.htm
There is no way to pry this thing open, and there is a drill plate....
I highly doubt, without being in top physical condition, and spending a few hours trying with power tools, you will get in.
Reset switch is impossible to hit from the outside.....even with a slim jim....I have tried....the shoulder inside the door stops everything.
Ok cool, my mc steak. I take it you did research, it looked like a cheapo winchester or harley davidson or something.
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jpack666



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Re: Before the hyphal knots... [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19124228 - 11/12/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thadeous said: I am unsure what you're describing. Pictures are worth a thousand posts, you know? Irregardless of the setup, you should absolutely be giving FAE at or shortly after full conlonization of substrate. It is one of the main pinning triggers.. In order of importance, they are: full colonization, FAE, 100% RH microclimate at surface of substrate, and evaporation from substrate. Nail those, and you're 80% there.
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Sgt. Pepper said: Once it is 100% colonized give it a really good fanning and misting and continue to supply fae and ample humidity. You'll be seeing knots in no time!
I've been following hacker's advice to focus on fae, but my casing may be dry now... Sub is evaporating but casing is not rh 100% microclimate... I don't think it is because it must have dried a lot in the last few days...
I trust hacker about just keeping up what I'm doing... But was simply curious as to what are the "rules" of the trade when it comes to "misting" a casing like the one I am showing on pic FC+5.
I heard misting "hurts" the myc strands... And that I should only mist once the pins are out.... I just wanted to make sure I'm still on the right track...
All the pics so far are on the top of the thread (main post)
Thanks
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Edited by jpack666 (11/12/13 12:49 AM)
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PussyFart
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Re: Before the hyphal knots... [Re: jpack666]
#19124287 - 11/12/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mist it until the casing layer glistens, then fan it out to promote evaporation.
You want constant FAE, so water is constantly evaporating off the casing.
Lots of water evaporating will mean high RH.
Misting does not hurt anything...just use a fine mist, and do not hit it with any kind of pressure.
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jpack666



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Re: Before the hyphal knots... [Re: PussyFart]
#19124344 - 11/12/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Misting does not hurt anything...just use a fine mist, and do not hit it with any kind of pressure.
alright hacker I'll give that a try tomorow. Thanks
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jpack666



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Re: Before the hyphal knots... [Re: jpack666]
#19124605 - 11/12/13 02:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Adding: I've been covering the bottom outside of the jar with foil to put it in darkness.... My thought on that was getting the mycelium to "follow the light" and fruit ...at least I thought it made a difference. Do you have any suggestions regarding this? Right now, only the surface gets light 12/12...
Thanks
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jpack666



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Re: Before the hyphal knots... [Re: jpack666]
#19134119 - 11/14/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi everyone,
Just updating you guys after a week of waiting...

It's been in fruiting conditions for exactly 7 days now... I'm not seeing pins or knots yet ...but I don't know what they would look like... Also, it could take another week according to some of your estimates...
7 days in FC... 11 days after applying the casing... Anyone see something interesting?
Thanks
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Re: Before the hyphal knots... [Re: jpack666]
#19134764 - 11/14/13 04:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is still in the jar? That seems interesting.
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MUSH HEAD420
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Re: Before the hyphal knots... [Re: Sockadin]
#19135051 - 11/14/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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patience, and do change any of the conditions. It is too late for that imo anyway.
Give an update if they fruit.
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jpack666



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Re: Before the hyphal knots... [Re: Sockadin]
#19135478 - 11/14/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: It is still in the jar? That seems interesting.
It's an experiment... :-)
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jpack666



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MUSH HEAD420 said: patience, and do change any of the conditions. It is too late for that imo anyway.
Give an update if they fruit. 
It's at about 70 degrees now... The only change of condition I thought about, dealing with tropical mycelium, would be to throw it up at 75 or 80 to create maybe more evap.... Or a temp shock... But as you say, at this point, maybe just keeping same conditions is best... I did start misting about 3 days ago and that seems to have given a boost though...
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jpack666



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MUSH HEAD420 said: patience
Well said, thanks for the advice
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jpack666



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Re: after the hyphal knots... [Re: jpack666]
#19148688 - 11/17/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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PIN!
Dead center of last picture update:

I saw this forming a knot bellow the surface about 3 days before it turned into a pin, and the next day it was above the surface...
NOW...
I know this could still not fruit, it could abort.... I also beleive I can see about 4 other knots in the surface's micro-climate that may pin also if I give them about 4 more days... But, not sure my jar has room for more than one mushroom at a time (and my goal is only to get ONE print)...
Question: My casing is still moist, will stop indirect misting... I'm afraid it could cause aborts... But I don't know s*** so... What should I be doing at this point? Any rules of thumb? Any tips? Misting?
Btw I am now providing direct 6500k light...
Thanks a lot! Will keep you all updated
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jpack666



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Re: BEFORE + AFTER the hyphal knots (pinning) [Re: jpack666]
#19149917 - 11/17/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was wrong... Being such a newb, I completly missed another pin that had been there a day prior. So now I have about 1 visible to-become pin, 1 white pin turning brown (small) in the center, and 1 full blown pin (cap is almost completly brown) a little to the left which is fruiting and shouldn't abort.
Later, I will make a pic tutorial of what we can see with the pictures....
But for now, I can say you'll see a knot forming near the surface, just below, almost dead center, as soon as FC+3, you'll see it transform well into a born pin at FC+8, then at +9, you see it clearly, and to the left you have a pin coming out from deeper (has been forming for longer - you can only see the brown-white tip about to pop out). And then at +10, you have the knot, turned into a pin, and with it's buddy to the left, they are both pinning above surface and tip going from white to brown.
So at first, fuzzy white knot below surface, then solid round knot, then grows bigger and rises, then brown tip starts piercing through as it rises (might happen before breaking through surface of casing or might happen at the same time, from the pictures, the one that formed earlier and deeper looks to have a stronger root).
With 3 or 4 pics, we can clearly show this process...
Also, we may have new visuals to show how casings help form pins by creating a humid micro-environment at the substrate's surface.
I will update once fully fruited.
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