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casing isnt pinning!!!
    #19103130 - 11/07/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I set up a FC using a four tier greenhouse. I have a humidifier set to go off every two hours for 30min at a time. The humidity never dips below 90%. It is an external humidifier with tubing so i get FAE 12 times a day and on top of that i have holes in the sides of the GH for added FAE. I have my light on a 12 by 12 cycle (the only prob with it is that i have no space for it above my GH so i have it on the side but it still lights up the closet that the GH is in very well. My temps are between 68-76 depending on the time of day.

I put the casings in on the 26th so they have been in there for 12 days and I still don't see any pinning!

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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103178 - 11/07/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it looks dry, try giving it a mist, i like to see nice moisture on the surface of my subs in my gh


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #19103192 - 11/07/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

its pretty moist. I know its hard to see in the pics but it is moist. there are little water specs all over.  (really small ones)


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103218 - 11/07/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What does it consist of? Is it grain spawned to coir, grain cased with verm, ect? Also what species is it? The reason I ask is because PE is notorious for taking a long time as I am sure other species are as well.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103222 - 11/07/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

perfect, thats what you wanna see.
now start troubleshooting your pinning triggers and since it's colonized moist and agetting fae i'd say it may not be getting adequate evaporation off the sub? maybe too high rh? what kind of hygrometer you using? i''d pick a tray up and see if it's waterlogged


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #19103311 - 11/07/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

shroomnub4u

Its WBS sub and casing is hpoo/coco/verm/gypsum/ = 7 1/2 leters hpoo/half brick coco/ 2 cups verm/ 2 cups gypsum. this is all brought to field capacity  (this is for each rubber made)

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hygrometer is super basic. No batteries (have two in my FC)
My abbreviations are escaping me at the moment. What is RH, again?
should i literally pick up my colonized sub from the rubbermade to see if its water logged? Not sure exactly how to check this.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103399 - 11/07/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I remember now RH-relative humidity


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103403 - 11/07/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I was under the impression that with cubes the humidity cant be to high. 100% is fine. Is that not correct?


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103406 - 11/07/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Correct...there is no such thing as the RH being too high.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #19103411 - 11/07/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In your opinion what do you think is happening with my pin set?


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103553 - 11/07/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like it wants to fruit.....give it a few more days and see what happens....I think I see knots....

Focus on lots of fresh air instead of high humidity.....


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #19103596 - 11/08/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Do you think i should turn down the cycle on my timer for my humidifier? I have it set to 30min every 2hours (all day). Now that im looking at the casings they do look pretty wet. should i dab with a paper towel and turn down my cycles?

How often would you recommend to FAE? 4x a day, 8x a day, more, less?


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103603 - 11/08/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

also, My timer only lets me do 30 minute intervals


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103606 - 11/08/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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should i dab with a paper towel and turn down my cycles?



No, just more fresh air.....

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How often would you recommend to FAE? 4x a day, 8x a day, more, less?



8 times an hour sounds about right....

You want constant, passive FAE....not FAE on a timer.

Cut some slits in the thing.....or poke holes SGFC style.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #19103625 - 11/08/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In a post of mine someone said it could take up to 2 weeks, and to go for pinning triggers such as fae, high rh but also, evaporation... drying of the surface... Wish you luck!!!


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #19103630 - 11/08/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I already have holes sgfc style.

Im noticing a lot of water build up due to all the condensation and water drips in the FC. Still i shouldn't turn it down? Do you have any suggestions as to how i can prevent this on all four tiers of the GH?


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: jpack666]
    #19103632 - 11/08/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Also, was myc poking through the surface on the 1st of the 12 days? or later...?


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103636 - 11/08/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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go for pinning triggers such as fae, high rh but also, evaporation...



High RH is not a pinning trigger.
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I already have holes sgfc style.

Im noticing a lot of water build up due to all the condensation and water drips in the FC. Still i shouldn't turn it down? Do you have any suggestions as to how i can prevent this on all four tiers of the GH?



Condensation should not be an issue...the substrates are producing heat...this means there is a temperature differental...this means there is condensation.

But if there is condensation, you are not really getting enough fresh air.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: jpack666]
    #19103639 - 11/08/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I cased then when myc poked through in a few places I patched then put into FC as I always do.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: jpack666]
    #19103641 - 11/08/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

FAE causes evaporation and RH, it is a win win.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103644 - 11/08/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My humidifier is on the outside and is tubed in. So every time my humidifier turns on it is pushing in fresh air, right?

sorry im just worried and want to pin this son of bitch down haha


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103649 - 11/08/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

oops


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103670 - 11/08/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

oops


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103678 - 11/08/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103683 - 11/08/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Is there humidity in the air that you are pumping in with the humidifier? ...for fae... I'm a newb so don't take this as nothing else than a wild guess but you may have a problem related to too much humidity in the FC, I would just pump fresh air, if that's not what you're doing...

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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #19103684 - 11/08/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh shiiiiit! I did not realize this. Can you tell that this is an ultrasonic just by looking at it. How would I know?


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103685 - 11/08/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Does it pump out thick fog, or humid air?


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103690 - 11/08/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I figured that I was pumping in fresh air with my humidifier!

Damn Damn Damn

I had a set up before (not with the same humidifier) and i guess it had to of been pumping in fresh air because I didn't have any holes in my previous GH and I always had good fruit.

Any ideas on how to fix my problem???


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19103691 - 11/08/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106453 - 11/08/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

could someone tell me what humidifier i should use if i want FAE.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106462 - 11/08/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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could someone tell me what humidifier i should use if i want FAE.



We do not use humidifiers for FAE....we use them to humidify.

Non-ultrasonics provide some FAE, but I would not have that be my only source of fresh air.

Then again it's been a while since I thought about a GH so maybe I am a little off.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #19106517 - 11/08/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah that makes sense. Im just trying to mimic my previous GH, which was completely automated. no fanning, misting, or clicking on the light. This one is almost that way.... if i didn't fuck up and use the wrong humidifier.

That being said what do you think i should do about the FAE or the lack there of? Remember, the GH is in a closet so air flow is low and I have holes all over like SGFC.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106520 - 11/08/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh and Notahacker420 thank you so much for the on going help!!!


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #19106522 - 11/08/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I may be off.... Being a newb,... But unless using pf tek cakes... Your bulk sub should provide most of the needed RH through evaporation... So you would just need a fan, on a timer, to recycle the air... Or do it manually a few times a day.... It almost sounds like a setup meant for pf cakes... This is the reason behind monotubs... You don't need to add humidity during pinning and fruiting... Because the substrates gives it to you... No?


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: jpack666]
    #19106537 - 11/08/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You want constant FAE, not FAE on a timer.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: jpack666]
    #19106538 - 11/08/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

From my experience you still have to keep your humidity up around 90-100 even with a bulk grow.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106541 - 11/08/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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From my experience you still have to keep your humidity up around 90-100 even with a bulk grow.





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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106545 - 11/08/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What would you do considering the lack of air flow in the closet? just a fan? or self fanning?


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    #19106547 - 11/08/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh and Notahacker420 thank you so much for the on going help!!!



No problem bro....I try....sometimes too hard.....lol


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106550 - 11/08/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

StromriderS should i just turn down my humidifier then?


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106554 - 11/08/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I currently have it on 30min every 2hrs.


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    #19106568 - 11/08/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have found with bulk growing having sufficient fae is more important than trying to maintain super high humidity. The more fae you give the more it will pull down your humidity so it is kind of a balancing act. Plus with 90 to 100% humidity you are not leaving much room for evaporation which is a pinning trigger


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    #19106576 - 11/08/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Now I assure you I am not the go to guy for gh set up as I have no experience with them. I am just stating what I have found to be true with bulk substrates


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19106579 - 11/08/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what % of humidity to do find works for you?


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106591 - 11/08/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

StromriderS: Do you generally use a SGFC?


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106610 - 11/08/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Like I said I have no experience with gh set up. Hacker can probably be much more help with that than me. I just know you need to leave some room for evaporation. I would imagine that having fluctuations in your humidity would be a good thing. Kind of like how a sgfc maintains 100% humidity but you fan it out a few times a day to bring that humidity down to make room for evaporation.

Once again take this with a grain of salt. I am only speculating
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StromriderS: Do you generally use a SGFC?




I used to. I did some cakes then I moved on to bulk trays in the sgfc. Now I just do monotubs. I love my monotubs. They are so easy and work so well


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19106633 - 11/08/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hmmm im going to have to look into monotubes. I just love the hands of approach of a automated GH.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106639 - 11/08/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Monotubs are automated...greenhouses require work......

Monotubs is where you want to be.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106648 - 11/08/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I am a busy guy with way too many time consuming hobbies and that is what makes monotubs so attractive to me. They're so simple and efficent. They require very little attention


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    #19106655 - 11/08/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Monotubs are automated...greenhouses require work......

Monotubs is where you want to be.




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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19106707 - 11/08/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good to know!! Do you guys have a tek that you would suggest?

Also, Can you get the same amount of mushies from monotubes? I like how much a GH can produce and the space to put casings.


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    #19106726 - 11/08/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

StromriderS

You said i should contact hacker about my GH. Is that the full name?


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    #19106732 - 11/08/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #19106742 - 11/08/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19106745 - 11/08/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

haha am i just totally fucking up???

Soooooorrrrrrry! haHAha


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106749 - 11/08/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

good god!!! my bad guys.....


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106750 - 11/08/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:    :lmafo:


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    #19106752 - 11/08/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I got me a good laugh


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19106757 - 11/08/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There is some good monotub teks in Hackers sig


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: Stromrider]
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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19106781 - 11/08/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is what I sent to a random....:blush:

Hi Hacker!

StromriderS said i should give you a shout about GH. I hope that's Okay? Any who my situation is this: This is my 3rd GH setup and i did everything like all the previous other than a new humidifier.

Setup:
GH 4 tier (in a closet, so not my air exchange)
holes all over (SGFC style)
Tubed in humidifier
Light on the side (I have no space for it above)
LIght is a 12 on 12 off timer
humidifier runs 30min every 2hrs (my timer only does 30min intervals.)

Im having pinning problems. I think its due to the lack of FAE, which is making it super wet inside FC. I just found out (realized!) that the humidifier that I had is an ultasonic and does not provide FAE like my previous humidifiers...

Ive been keeping the FC at 90-100% humidity

What should I do about FAE? how would you set yours up to counteract this problem?

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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106795 - 11/08/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:lmafo:  It hurts......


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #19106809 - 11/08/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

HAHA its bad, real baaaahhhhhd!!!! :goat:


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19106819 - 11/08/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Make sure you read this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777#17332777

Here is you a little overview of monotubs

I use the 66qt all clear sterilite tubs. You take the tub and make 6 2 inch holes in it. 2 on each long side about 4 inches from the bottom and about 4 inches from the end. 1 hole on each short side as high as you can get it. The holes get taped shut during colonization and then stuffed with polyfill once fully colonized. I use 1 brick of coir, 2 qts of verm, a handful of gypsum, with 5 qts of water.

I pasteurize that and put it in the tub with 6 qts of fully colonized grain spawn ans mix it evenly. It usually takes about a week to colonize. Then I pull the tape off the holes and stuff the bottom holes tight and the top holes loose with polyfill. Then I put it under a 6500k light with 12 hours on and 12 hours off and watch the magic happen. No need to mist or fan. I do mist once a day after the first flush though


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19106848 - 11/08/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Strom!!!!!!


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106849 - 11/08/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So at the end of all my shenanigans!

I should:

a)Increase FAE.
b)Not worry so much about humidity levels.
c)switch to monotubes.
d)Keep my shit wired tight!

OR

e) all of the above!!!!!


hahahhahahahaha


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    #19106856 - 11/08/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #19106866 - 11/08/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

while my monotube is colonizing should i keep it in 100% darkness as per usual?


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106875 - 11/08/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

tub, not tube


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #19106885 - 11/08/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

tub


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: deachy]
    #19106896 - 11/08/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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while my monotube is colonizing should i keep it in 100% darkness as per usual?




Ambient light during colonization is fine


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19106906 - 11/08/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Keeping them in darkness hasn't been "the usual" for 10+ years.

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years.  Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19106957 - 11/08/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Notahacker420 said:
Monotubs are automated...greenhouses require work......

Monotubs is where you want to be.



Quote:

Stromrider said:
I am a busy guy with way too many time consuming hobbies and that is what makes monotubs so attractive to me. They're so simple and efficent. They require very little attention





What they say


But how important is it for you to save THOSE trays and make them pin?
Because if that's a major point...

Start fanning them, start drying the substrate... It may be too wet and you may have some catching up to do.


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Re: casing isnt pinning!!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #19106973 - 11/08/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Rewriting my entire process lol, saving this info to my hard drive. :mushroom2:

Quote:

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Keeping them in darkness hasn't been "the usual" for 10+ years.

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years.  Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
RR




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