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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420] * 1
    #19101998 - 11/07/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The totals from your source are less than a trillion a year.  How is that even close to ten times the cost of welfare as you claimed?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Enlil]
    #19102040 - 11/07/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Someone who makes $50,000 a year pays $43.78 for welfare and food stamps per year
The same person pays $4000 a year for corporate subsidies.
It's more then tenfold.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19102051 - 11/07/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In 2011 alone the governments of the United States gave away almost a trillion dollars in means tested largesse.  This does not include Medicare or Soc Sec.  Not taxing someone is not the same as giving them something and tax havens are irrelevant.  Most everything else is bullshit as well.

Smokey if you think that the idiot poor who can't even support themselves will somehow manage to persuade the vast majority that do to violently rise up to support their loser asses you need to put down the pipe and the bottle.  They are doing bad things to you.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420] * 1
    #19102057 - 11/07/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Someone who makes $50,000 a year pays $43.78 for welfare and food stamps per year
The same person pays $4000 a year for corporate subsidies.
It's more then tenfold.



It is, of course, complete bullshit


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
    #19102060 - 11/07/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Someone who makes $50,000 a year pays $43.78 for welfare and food stamps per year
The same person pays $4000 a year for corporate subsidies.
It's more then tenfold.



Where is your source for that claim?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19102069 - 11/07/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I already gave you the source. I'm out.

By the way Zappa, enjoying the new mayor yet? What did he win by again, 75% of the vote?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420] * 1
    #19102075 - 11/07/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Your source doesn't say anything about how much welfare costs. 

You pulled that out of your ass, didn't you.

Welfare is over a trillion a year...I doubt 43 bucks covers it.


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    #19102081 - 11/07/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I already gave you the source. I'm out.




Yeah, a raving drooling nutcase who is full of shit
http://www.commondreams.org/paul-buchheit
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By the way Zappa, enjoying the new mayor yet? What did he win by again, 75% of the vote?



Not my mayor.  I don't live in the city and he hasn't been sworn in yet.  I expect he will succeed at increasing the number of young Negro males who will be homicide victims and driving even more rich earners out of the tax base.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19102163 - 11/07/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You can refute my sources all you want. You haven't posted a single one.


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    #19102257 - 11/07/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You can refute my sources all you want. You haven't posted a single one.



I'll use yours
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3. $722 for Interest Rate Subsidies for Banks

According to the Huffington Post, the "U.S. Government Essentially Gives The Banks 3 Cents Of Every Tax Dollar." They cite research that calculates a nearly 1 percent benefit to banks when they borrow, through bonds and customer deposits and other liabilities. This amounts to a taxpayer subsidy of $83 billion, or about $722 from every American family.

The wealthiest five banks -- JPMorgan, Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., Wells Fargo & Co. and Goldman Sachs -- account for three-quarters of the total subsidy. The Huffington Post article notes that without the taxpayer subsidy, those banks would not make a profit. In other words, "the profits they report are essentially transfers from taxpayers to their shareholders."

4. $350 for Retirement Fund Bank Fees

This was a tough one to calculate. Demos reports that over a lifetime, bank fees can "cost a median-income two-earner family nearly $155,000 and consume nearly one-third of their investment returns." Fees are well over one percent a year.

However, the Economic Policy Institute notes that the average middle-quintile retirement account is $34,981. A conservative one percent annual management fee translates to about $350 per family. This, again, is an average; many families have no retirement account. But many families pay much more than 1% in annual fees.

5. $1,268 for Overpriced Medications

According to Dean Baker, "government granted patent monopolies raise the price of prescription drugs by close to $270 billion a year compared to the free market price." This represents an astonishing annual cost of over $2,000 to an average American family.

OECD figures on pharmaceutical expenditures reveal that Americans spend almost twice the OECD average on drugs, an additional $460 per capita. This translates to $1,268 per household.

6. $870 for Corporate Tax Subsidies

We've heard a lot about tax avoidance and tax breaks for the super-rich. With regard to corporations alone, the Tax Foundation has concluded that their "special tax provisions" cost taxpayers over $100 billion per year, or $870 per family. Corporate benefits include items such as Graduated Corporate Income, Inventory Property Sales, Research and Experimentation Tax Credit, Accelerated Depreciation, and Deferred taxes.

Once again, it may be even worse. Citizens for Tax Justice cite a Government Accountability Office report that calculated a loss to the Treasury of $181 billion from corporate tax expenditures. That would be almost $1,600 per family.

7. $1,231 for Revenue Losses from Corporate Tax Havens

U.S. PIRG recently reported that the average 2012 taxpayer paid an extra $1,026 in taxes to make up for the revenue lost from offshore tax havens by corporations and wealthy individuals. With 138 million taxpayers (1.2 per household), that comes to $1,231 per household.




None of those are subsidies


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19105033 - 11/08/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Massachusetts sucks balls,take it from someone who lives here.

my license to carry (LTC) or pistol permit has my photo,address,signature,place of birth and a FUCKING INDEX FINGERPRINT. Its almost cost prohibitive,almost. To boot, my last renewal was delayed 4 months because some fat fuck bureaucrat couldn't check his in box, fortunately my police chief issuing authority is an upstanding citizen and tore someone's ass.

contrast that with the EBT or welfare card. No photo, no real background check, hardly any verification and no limit on what it could be used for. News reports ran rampant of cards being used for cigarettes,lottery tickets,casino binges,atm cash advances and vacations in costs Rica.

when it came time for a vote on whether to put photos on ebt, it was voted down because it would cost to much. As opposed to the millions already stolen or fraudulently acquired.

I used to empathize with people who caught a tough break,but not any more.


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