|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Relationship between Consciousness & Matter
#19101955 - 11/07/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Some view consciousness as an epiphenomenon of matter, others view matter as an epiphenomenon of consciousness and most, perhaps wisely, don't concern themselves with such topics...
What is your perspective on the relationship between consciousness and matter and what insights or experiences have influenced and helped shape your current view?
~Peace & Love~
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
|
Duncan Rowhl
Fiducia Christum



Registered: 10/08/12
Posts: 2,659
Loc: UK
Last seen: 1 year, 5 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Hierophant]
#19102137 - 11/07/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Only consciousness can experience matter and I believe matter to be a precursor of it.
In contrast, "Awareness" experiences external to matter though I believe its experience is established by raw essence rather than projection.
|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#19102354 - 11/07/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
would you mind elaborating? I don't understand your second sentence.
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
|
Duncan Rowhl
Fiducia Christum



Registered: 10/08/12
Posts: 2,659
Loc: UK
Last seen: 1 year, 5 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Hierophant]
#19102467 - 11/07/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I regard "awareness" as the spiritual counterpart to "consciousness".
I see consciousness as being related only to the material world with the consciousness itself being the prime componenet in forming the world (or our experience of it) in accordance with getting what we need from it to prime our being back to identifying its original state as spirit.
|
eve69
--=..Did Adam and ...?=--



Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 3,910
Loc: isle de la muerte
Last seen: 24 days, 17 hours
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Hierophant]
#19102595 - 11/07/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
To ignore matter as the foundation of consciousness is to disrespect matter. If one disrespects matter then they also disrespect consciousness.
People who have promoted consciousness over matter ignore their own foundation, the creation, and architect, and thus also consciousness.
From the small comes the great.
-------------------- ...or something
|
OrgoneConclusion
Blue Fish Group



Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 45,414
Loc: Under the C
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: eve69]
#19102644 - 11/07/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
From the small comes the great.
I wish my gf got that.
--------------------
|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#19104430 - 11/08/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Duncan Rowhl said: I regard "awareness" as the spiritual counterpart to "consciousness".
I see consciousness as being related only to the material world with the consciousness itself being the prime componenet in forming the world (or our experience of it) in accordance with getting what we need from it to prime our being back to identifying its original state as spirit.
Personally I view the terms "consciousness" and "awareness" as interchangeable and would use the word "sentience" in place of where you wrote "awareness."
I understand what you're saying though, thanks for sharing.
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
Edited by Hierophant (11/08/13 09:05 AM)
|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: eve69]
#19104434 - 11/08/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
eve69 said: To ignore matter as the foundation of consciousness is to disrespect matter. If one disrespects matter then they also disrespect consciousness.
People who have promoted consciousness over matter ignore their own foundation, the creation, and architect, and thus also consciousness.
From the small comes the great.
You're line of thought stems from the belief that consciousness is derived from matter, have you ever entertained the idea of the opposite?
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
|
Duncan Rowhl
Fiducia Christum



Registered: 10/08/12
Posts: 2,659
Loc: UK
Last seen: 1 year, 5 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Hierophant]
#19104449 - 11/08/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I believe that consciousness forms the world.
|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#19104462 - 11/08/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Duncan Rowhl said: I believe that consciousness forms the world.
I share this perspective but also ponder the opposite at times, what brought you to this conclusion?
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
|
Duncan Rowhl
Fiducia Christum



Registered: 10/08/12
Posts: 2,659
Loc: UK
Last seen: 1 year, 5 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Hierophant]
#19104473 - 11/08/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I think my so called "trip report" (first post above all) will shine some light on my opinion a little. My opinion hasn't changed much at all since that experience 10 months ago and has only been reinforced:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17396859
|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#19104515 - 11/08/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Lol yeah, psychedelics have a way of doing that. My personal experiences with them are also what influenced my perspective of consciousness being the ground of being, then I began exploring spirituality and esotericism which only validated my perspective. Although I "know" I still entertain other possibilities and am more prone to a fluid and adaptable faith than I am to a concrete belief.
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
|
eve69
--=..Did Adam and ...?=--



Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 3,910
Loc: isle de la muerte
Last seen: 24 days, 17 hours
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Hierophant]
#19104518 - 11/08/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hierophant said:
Quote:
eve69 said: To ignore matter as the foundation of consciousness is to disrespect matter. If one disrespects matter then they also disrespect consciousness.
People who have promoted consciousness over matter ignore their own foundation, the creation, and architect, and thus also consciousness.
From the small comes the great.
You're line of thought stems from the belief that consciousness is derived from matter, have you ever entertained the idea of the opposite?
I have entertained the idea. That's pretty much where my mind ends. I don't see much point furthering the notion since it accomplishes nothing.
-------------------- ...or something
|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: eve69] 1
#19104545 - 11/08/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
eve69 said:
Quote:
Hierophant said:
Quote:
eve69 said: To ignore matter as the foundation of consciousness is to disrespect matter. If one disrespects matter then they also disrespect consciousness.
People who have promoted consciousness over matter ignore their own foundation, the creation, and architect, and thus also consciousness.
From the small comes the great.
You're line of thought stems from the belief that consciousness is derived from matter, have you ever entertained the idea of the opposite?
I have entertained the idea. That's pretty much where my mind ends. I don't see much point furthering the notion since it accomplishes nothing.
Why would you let your mind end? Why not keep exploring the possibilities? It may all just be speculation but you can still grow from your curiosity and the places it takes you
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
Edited by Hierophant (11/08/13 09:29 AM)
|
FishOilTheKid
Ascended


Registered: 11/14/10
Posts: 5,401
Last seen: 1 day, 22 hours
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Hierophant]
#19104866 - 11/08/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
What is your perspective on the relationship between consciousness and matter and what insights or experiences have influenced and helped shape your current view?
My experience with consciousness disincarnate opens many doors but I have no proof of anything to show. Gets me thinking if this is possible than that might be for many things.
I think the answer to the question depends on how we and others were created.
I lean toward the idea that consciousness is inherent and not the sum of its biological parts.
|
Kickle
Wanderer


Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 17,852
Last seen: 13 hours, 6 minutes
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Hierophant]
#19105016 - 11/08/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hierophant said: Some view consciousness as an epiphenomenon of matter, others view matter as an epiphenomenon of consciousness and most, perhaps wisely, don't concern themselves with such topics...
What is your perspective on the relationship between consciousness and matter and what insights or experiences have influenced and helped shape your current view?
~Peace & Love~
I try to be realistic in my estimation. If I believe that my thoughts create reality, I only need to know someone with brain damage to see how the physical brain can dramatically change my thoughts. If I believe that consciousness is independent of my brain, or as another poster split it, awareness of the elements in consciousness, I have to ask what evidence there is of this. If I believe the opposite, same question. In both cases I have experiential evidence of both and scientific evidence of neither. So I sit on the fence and only really ponder it for amusement. It hardly matters for my day-to-day. There are much more tangible aspects of my existence to work with and they have a much greater impact on my quality of life.
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Kickle] 1
#19105105 - 11/08/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
... its interesting to think about how thoughts, perception and the experience of consciousness in general is, to a high degree, directed by endogenous chemistry and how we can manipulate and augment our experience by the introduction of nonlocal molecules into the body/mind complex... we reside in an alchemical playground, both in the literal and metaphorical sense.
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
Edited by Hierophant (11/08/13 11:23 AM)
|
Kickle
Wanderer


Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 17,852
Last seen: 13 hours, 6 minutes
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Hierophant]
#19105133 - 11/08/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I agree
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
|
Bugler Boy
Cultivar


Registered: 09/19/11
Posts: 998
Loc: In your head
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Kickle]
#19105148 - 11/08/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote from LSD: My Problem Child, not a direct quote from Hofmann himself but he quoted someone else. Pop it into google for some results.
"Were the eye not sunny, It could never behold the sun; If the power of the mind were not in matter, How could matter disturb the mind."
-------------------- The mushroom speaks: '"I am old, older than thought in your species, which is itself fifty times older than your history. Though I have been on earth for ages I am from the stars. My home is no one planet, for many worlds scattered through the shining disc of the galaxy have conditions which allow my spores an opportunity for life... How the hypercommunication mode operates is a secret which will not be lightly given to man. But the means should be obvious: it is the occurrence of psilocybin and psilocin in the biosynthetic pathways of my living body that opens for me and my symbiots the vision screens to many worlds"
|
Chronic7
Registered: 05/08/04
Posts: 13,679
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Hierophant] 2
#19105406 - 11/08/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hierophant said: Some view consciousness as an epiphenomenon of matter, others view matter as an epiphenomenon of consciousness and most, perhaps wisely, don't concern themselves with such topics...
What is your perspective on the relationship between consciousness and matter and what insights or experiences have influenced and helped shape your current view?
~Peace & Love~
I don't really see a relationship as matter is not other than consciousness
We say 'matter' like its actually something but when we look it gets less & less solid the deeper into it we look, ultimately it thins out into consciousness, so there is only consciousness
--------------------
|
FishOilTheKid
Ascended


Registered: 11/14/10
Posts: 5,401
Last seen: 1 day, 22 hours
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Chronic7]
#19105414 - 11/08/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
|
Icyus
KavitārkikasiṃHa


Registered: 11/07/13
Posts: 3,502
Loc: Inbetween.
Last seen: 8 years, 27 days
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#19105633 - 11/08/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
"The brain (reality? ( relative )) is because the consciousness(observer) created it, and thus reality is made by the observer"
Knowing that we create what we know is reality, and that everyone gets about the same messages, but still see things differently..:
I wonder; we both see green grass, but how different would our "greens" be if we were to be switced?
|
eve69
--=..Did Adam and ...?=--



Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 3,910
Loc: isle de la muerte
Last seen: 24 days, 17 hours
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Icyus]
#19105813 - 11/08/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
It is hard to disprove either matter or consciousness as the source. People have a lineage from mother and father to child to the next generation. In this way consciousness has a continuity which extends back to the distant past and our animal progenitors. Many say that DNA is the basis of the consciousness in matter and that RNA transcribes it into manifest form.
But this was just aboout the consciousness of the DNA based lifeform upon our planet.
I am not one to speak to things I don't have experience of and I have not experienced anything not easily knowable through this human form. Even my high falutin psychicly spiritual experiences to me are just something which this flesh is able to pow wow.
I do not believe that matter itself, devoid of a nervous system, is able to produce the consciousness - the light of the eyes. I also do know that many places seem to drain my own awareness (such as Las Vegas).
My conclusion for myself is that consciousness is only of importance to creations of DNA. (within this world). And that things with no nervous system have little use for it.
-------------------- ...or something
|
Icyus
KavitārkikasiṃHa


Registered: 11/07/13
Posts: 3,502
Loc: Inbetween.
Last seen: 8 years, 27 days
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: eve69]
#19106009 - 11/08/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I think everything has soul and feelings...
"Rocks are alive too, they are just too slow for us to interact with"...
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Chronic7]
#19107950 - 11/08/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
The Chronic said:
Quote:
Hierophant said: Some view consciousness as an epiphenomenon of matter, others view matter as an epiphenomenon of consciousness and most, perhaps wisely, don't concern themselves with such topics...
What is your perspective on the relationship between consciousness and matter and what insights or experiences have influenced and helped shape your current view?
~Peace & Love~
I don't really see a relationship as matter is not other than consciousness
We say 'matter' like its actually something but when we look it gets less & less solid the deeper into it we look, ultimately it thins out into consciousness, so there is only consciousness
very true, thank you for bringing up this point
consciousness = energy = vibration = matter
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: eve69]
#19107963 - 11/08/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
eve69 said: My conclusion for myself is that consciousness is only of importance to creations of DNA. (within this world). And that things with no nervous system have little use for it.
the real question is whether or not you believe consciousness can exist outside of a vessel with a nervous system?
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Icyus]
#19108020 - 11/08/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Icyus said: I think everything has soul and feelings...
"Rocks are alive too, they are just too slow for us to interact with"...
Yeshua said: "I am the Light within the All. I am the All; the All springs forth from Me and the All attains to Me. Cleave a piece of wood; I am there. Lift a stone and you will find Me."
I feel that this statement expresses a heightened form of awareness and personal identification with a level of consciousness that both transcends and interpenetrates matter... In my opinion, very beautiful and powerful words.
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
|
circastes
Big Questions Small Head



Registered: 01/14/10
Posts: 8,781
Loc: straya
Last seen: 7 years, 8 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Hierophant]
#19108481 - 11/09/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
As far as I can see my mind and the world are the same entity.
-------------------- My solitude... My shield... My armour... TESTED WITH FULL FORCE
|
FishOilTheKid
Ascended


Registered: 11/14/10
Posts: 5,401
Last seen: 1 day, 22 hours
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: circastes]
#19108822 - 11/09/13 01:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
BUT THE POPULATIONS BOTH HUMAN AND NOT...??
They are you?
|
Chronic7
Registered: 05/08/04
Posts: 13,679
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Hierophant]
#19108975 - 11/09/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hierophant said:
Quote:
Icyus said: I think everything has soul and feelings...
"Rocks are alive too, they are just too slow for us to interact with"...
Yeshua said: "I am the Light within the All. I am the All; the All springs forth from Me and the All attains to Me. Cleave a piece of wood; I am there. Lift a stone and you will find Me."
I feel that this statement expresses a heightened form of awareness and personal identification with a level of consciousness that both transcends and interpenetrates matter... In my opinion, very beautiful and powerful words.
What's your sources for the Gospel of Thomas? Can you recommend any good books? I've been checking out some of the essene scriptures recently & enjoying them
--------------------
|
eve69
--=..Did Adam and ...?=--



Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 3,910
Loc: isle de la muerte
Last seen: 24 days, 17 hours
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Chronic7]
#19109101 - 11/09/13 05:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
gnosis.org
-------------------- ...or something
|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Chronic7]
#19109293 - 11/09/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
The Chronic said:
Quote:
Hierophant said:
Quote:
Icyus said: I think everything has soul and feelings...
"Rocks are alive too, they are just too slow for us to interact with"...
Yeshua said: "I am the Light within the All. I am the All; the All springs forth from Me and the All attains to Me. Cleave a piece of wood; I am there. Lift a stone and you will find Me."
I feel that this statement expresses a heightened form of awareness and personal identification with a level of consciousness that both transcends and interpenetrates matter... In my opinion, very beautiful and powerful words.
What's your sources for the Gospel of Thomas? Can you recommend any good books? I've been checking out some of the essene scriptures recently & enjoying them
I have a first edition of the Gospel According to Thomas from 1959 but my go to is the Gnostic Bible by Shambhala Publications, a huge volume of collected Gnostic writings with beautiful translations.
I also recommend the Essenes: their History and Doctrines by Christian Ginsburg, the Essene Gospel of Peace and the Essene Way - Biogenic Living by Edmond Bordeaux Szekely, Gnosis of the Cosmic Christ by Tau Malachi, and definitely read the Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John Allegro is you haven't already.
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
|
Psilopsychosis



Registered: 07/06/13
Posts: 717
Loc:
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Icyus] 1
#19110975 - 11/09/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Matter is a sort of focal point point for consciousness, there are entities floating out there in different planes of existence that are pure consciousness but it is beings with material aspects that have that have the most power to alter the universe. IME Spirits either have some basis in the physical; plants, animals, Sites of power or maybe extra-terrestrials and thngs that only exist because of the mind that experiences them; voices, astral parasites that sort of thing.
Quote:
Icyus said: I think everything has soul and feelings...
"Rocks are alive too, they are just too slow for us to interact with"...
Even this rock hurtling through space; we just haven't figured out how to think like a planet, so communication is difficult.
|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Psilopsychosis]
#19114289 - 11/10/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Psilopsychosis said: Even this rock hurtling through space; we just haven't figured out how to think like a planet, so communication is difficult.
At some point in time (and even today in some indigenous cultures) human beings were in tune with the Gaian matrix, living closer to the Earth and maintaining a more intimate relationship with nature through constant ingression of the plant mind via naturally occurring psychedelic medicine and other psychoactive substances.
In my own experience, psychedelics have offered a profound sense of connection with the natural world and the Gaian mind we find ourselves immersed within. They have assisted me in establishing energetic and psychic lines of communication I would otherwise be without or completely unaware of. This connection produces a greater sense of responsibility for the overall well being of the planet and a turning away from the self interested endeavors of modern society.
I think its imperative, now more than ever, that we bring ourselves as a species back into alignment with the planet and treat it as a living organism, of which we are merely cells, and work towards the health and longevity of our extended body & Mother.
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
Edited by Hierophant (11/10/13 04:56 PM)
|
Hierophant
Ritualistic Mystic


Registered: 03/28/13
Posts: 942
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Relationship between Consciousness & Matter [Re: Psilopsychosis]
#19115395 - 11/10/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Psilopsychosis said: Matter is a sort of focal point point for consciousness, there are entities floating out there in different planes of existence that are pure consciousness but it is beings with material aspects that have that have the most power to alter the universe. IME Spirits either have some basis in the physical; plants, animals, Sites of power or maybe extra-terrestrials and thngs that only exist because of the mind that experiences them; voices, astral parasites that sort of thing.
very true, we exist as concentrated points of energy where consciousness becomes self aware and able to view and analyze itself and its nature from within.
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
|
|