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MaxwellSmart
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Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences
#19081637 - 11/03/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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One night I woke up in my bed and three shadowy figures were in front of me. I was scared and I tried to yell and swing at them but couldn't move or make a sound. I told my family and they said it was just a dream. It might have been, however, that doesn't mean that it wasn't also real.
I actually don't have a lot of experience with psychedelics yet but I have heard of DMT experiences in which elves or other beings interacted with the user. Is it possible that they exist outside the mind of the user/dreamer? Could psychedelics be a vehicle to other dimensions?
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: MaxwellSmart]
#19081659 - 11/03/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it possible that they exist outside the mind of the user/dreamer? Could psychedelics be a vehicle to other dimensions?
No and no.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#19081743 - 11/03/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like you just had sleep paralysis buddy. From what I've learned, psychedelics seem to show you what is inside of you, not what you are inside of.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: OrgoneConclusion] 5
#19081879 - 11/03/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it possible that they exist outside the mind of the user/dreamer? Could psychedelics be a vehicle to other dimensions?
No and no.
Actually no one knows for sure.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Icelander]
#19081968 - 11/03/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the oft-used term for DMT creatures are 'machine-elves' not just elves. The difference being that these are visions of the intelligences which fill the interstices of existence, in the bubble--foam of timespace.
When you consider timespace or spacetime then you're considering the home of all possibilities. As such there is a semblance between possible alien intelligences and DMT machine-elves in terms of both being somewhere within and outside of spacetime.
I was sleepitating once (what I can falling asleep during meditation while also sitting up) and I usually in that state experienced very vivid and clear - often waking - dreams. Well this one sleepitation I saw that typical Whitley Streiber bug eyes skinny alien - that was all - and I had a feeling that it was older than 'us' humans. I had the feeling in fact that we sometime ago all looked like that.
I suggest that 'aliens' are an inner archetype or remnant of our psyche - perhaps from a different timespace.
Now as for whether there is objective truth to the experience, since it cannot be verified or confirmed outside of the loony bin the chances are pretty slim for objectivity. In addition, just because a whole gaggle of other people concur in ones own whacky beliefs doesn't make it so.
People still think the moon is self illuminated, the world was made in 6 days and we are going to hell under our feet. Those are educated people.
Rather than continuing to promote any source of superstition I would try to buck it as far as possible and then see if it retains any sense of truth, and then in what sense exactly.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: MaxwellSmart]
#19084174 - 11/04/13 04:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MaxwellSmart said: One night I woke up in my bed and three shadowy figures were in front of me. I was scared and I tried to yell and swing at them but couldn't move or make a sound. I told my family and they said it was just a dream. It might have been, however, that doesn't mean that it wasn't also real.
I actually don't have a lot of experience with psychedelics yet but I have heard of DMT experiences in which elves or other beings interacted with the user. Is it possible that they exist outside the mind of the user/dreamer? Could psychedelics be a vehicle to other dimensions?
Well if you were scared it was real enough for you in that moment. Reality is what you create. Of course we can say none of those experiences are real.. but if you have a vision on DMT or something and you paint a picture of that.. in a way you made that experience 'real' in 3d reality..
I dont know about machine elves.. But take in consideration that we aren't separated and disconnected from one another as logic and science of old defined that we are. Scientist are starting to figure this out. So IMO, they do not need to be outside of dream or mind of user.. because that would mean that mind has limits and borders. And do you think this is so?
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: ivander]
#19087881 - 11/04/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aliens are definitely real.
You see them during trips and when your not tripping.
Its funny how some people think their little sphere has anything to do with absolute truth...
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: pornisfun2]
#19088053 - 11/04/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've met an alien in a dream and he was going to take us (i was with two other people whom I did not recognize but were pretty cool) on a tour of our galaxy.
We walked to a spot in the woods and he had us sit down in a circle, nd we floated up in this invisible ship.
Than as we are leaving the atmosphere, we see this HUGE mothership or something over the top of us and the alien speaking some weird language.
Tells us they won't let him leave with humans aboard, and beams us down to earth.
Twas a huge let down
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: hTx]
#19088770 - 11/05/13 06:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tells us they won't let him leave with humans aboard, and beams us down to earth.
Twas a huge let down 
Yeah it's a real split. Some aliens enjoy mating with humans - others see us as something to experiment on. Sort of like some support gay rights and some want to strip gays apart and see what makes them tick.
The other faction are like gay bashers. And you know how downright evil gay bashers are - they feel they must neuter everything they dismiss as unseemly, with extreme prejudice. Gay bashing is just the tip of it. And most obvious part.
None of us humans are safe from the hater-aliens. On the other hand the human-lovers are really both pervs and our only sympathetic alien contact. They don't understand human speech though - they keep opening our asses with probes thinking that's the speech organ, and the screaming other end is releasing gas. It's because we're on different mental wavelengths.
This fascination of aliens for humans is like that of shepherds for their sheep.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: eve69]
#19089664 - 11/05/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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In reality the touchy rapey ones are our creepy uncle who, if we take one for the team, will protect us for the sake of later rubbings.
Basically if they slip you the old dreamy spanish fly, dont resist. It will only make them like it more.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: MaxwellSmart]
#19093524 - 11/06/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have encountered aliens in DMT and in dreams. It is a profound, trippy, terrifying and wonderful experience!
I believe both psychedelics and dreaming can be gateways to real entity contact with non-human intelligences.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Moonshoe]
#19094272 - 11/06/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My first time blasting off on a breakthrough dose, 30mgs, I was being studied by hyperdimensional mothership of aliens. Like circular rows and rows of science aliens. And they looked like less formed greys, like less physical, more energetic blurred forms.
The most memorable trip of my life.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Yogi1]
#19094622 - 11/06/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah my breakthrough was being studied by super highly advanced machine aliens in a crash space station and my friend blasted off and had the exact same trip!
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Icelander]
#19101949 - 11/07/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it possible that they exist outside the mind of the user/dreamer? Could psychedelics be a vehicle to other dimensions?
No and no.
Actually no one knows for sure.
I agree with Icelander. No one knows for sure.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: adastra80]
#19102141 - 11/07/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is definitely possible that real entity contact is occurring in some cases.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Moonshoe]
#19102338 - 11/07/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The possibility is even greater that nothing esoteric whatsoever is going on.
We have millions of cases of mental illness, hallucinations, delirium, fantasies, waking dreams, hypnagogic and hypnopompic states and so forth.
Compare that to zero verified cases of entity contact.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Moonshoe]
#19102375 - 11/07/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: It is definitely possible that real entity contact is occurring in some cases.
Given the expanse of the universe and the possibility of other beings, it certainly is possible.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#19102468 - 11/07/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is even more possible is that you are all my puppets and that I am the only real person here.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#19102493 - 11/07/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or on the flipside, we all are you, even if some represent parts of you that threatens the integrity of your ego.
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Re: Alien Contact in Dreams and Psychedelic Experiences [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#19102605 - 11/07/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: The possibility is even greater that nothing esoteric whatsoever is going on.
We have millions of cases of mental illness, hallucinations, delirium, fantasies, waking dreams, hypnagogic and hypnopompic states and so forth.
Compare that to zero verified cases of entity contact.
And none of those experiences as adequately understood either . It's possible that real entity contact plays a role in some of those phenomena as well.
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