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2x id request gymnopilus and unknown
    #19101743 - 11/07/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

#1 Im hoping this to be my first ever gymnopilus species, spore printing now.

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#2 found growing from forest debri along path nearby to conifer trees.

Spore print coming soon

smell is almost undescribable, not pleasant but not too bad either

feels kind of slimy to touch but doesnt leave residue on finger
some smaller specimens have redish brown tinge to cap and some have redish brown on the stem.










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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19101758 - 11/07/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yes to Gymnopilus and the other looks like an Agaricus species.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: RiverDweller1]
    #19101783 - 11/07/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That gymnopilus looks quite similar to Hessler's concept of G. luteofolius, except that they're not clearly purple in the context.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: canid]
    #19101800 - 11/07/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thats what species I thought they looked like too but i have 0 real time experience finding gyms so i wouldnt know. What is the best way to tell if they are an active gym? Put them in the fridge overnight and hope for bruising? does luteofolius usually bruise at all?


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19101810 - 11/07/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The 'luteofolius' we have here is not much like that.

The best way to tell an active gym this [or better, later] time of year is to check for aborted pins. they will often be very blue. Our 'luteofolius' down here blues more.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: RiverDweller1]
    #19101832 - 11/07/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Are you sure that's an Agaricus and not a Matsutake?


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: canid]
    #19101843 - 11/07/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That gymnopilus looks quite similar to Hessler's concept of G. luteofolius, except that they're not clearly purple in the context.




Hesler's concept of G. luteofolius is more than likely irrelevant. He was looking at aeruginosus and comparing it to Singer's concept of Peck's concept of luteofolius which probably doesn't occur west of the Rockies.

Very cool find OBS! I hope you will consider sending some of the dried material toBloodworm or Myself.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: raceme]
    #19101846 - 11/07/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I thought they looked like they could be them but i didnt want to guess because ive already guessed wrong on matsutake twice and they were catathelasma, i dont want to do it a third :lol:


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19101856 - 11/07/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

oops my bad guys...lol


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: raceme]
    #19101857 - 11/07/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you sure that's an Agaricus and not a Matsutake?




Two looks like a Tricholoma to me too.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19101863 - 11/07/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

there was a lot of them there that i left to grow. probably a couple dozen more atleast. I could send them to whoever is most interested just shoot me a pm about it if you want.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19101873 - 11/07/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Tricholoma magnivelare perhaps? It would be my first gym find along with my first matsutake find. That would be pretty sweet ive been looking for both for a long time.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: Gravija]
    #19101905 - 11/07/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Hesler's concept of G. luteofoilius is more than likely irrelevant. He was looking at aeruginosus and comparing it to Singer's concept of Peck's concept of luteofolius which probably doesn't occur west of the Rockies.




Probably, but I would argue [after finally being able to read it] that Peck's concept of luteofolius is still less relavant [I'm having a very hard time beleiving that it describes a real mushroom].

Do you have access to Singer's work?

I'm coming around to accept that what we have in Northern California passing as luteofoluis is quite likely not, but is still distinct from the aeruginosus which we also have, and with which I am also familiar.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: canid]
    #19101951 - 11/07/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Pecks description would be the most relevant considering it is the description from which the epithet is derived. The typos are disconcerting. Singer published his description of luteofolius in a journal called Lilloa and I am having a very hard time getting access to a digital copy of volume 22 in which it is printed. The current editor has not replied to my emails.


The first mushroom might be a Pholiota close to section Carbonicola. It might be a Gymnopilus too. The minutely fibrillose, fulvescent stipe and general coloration are making it hard for me to feel any conviction. I'd love to see a well lit picture of the spore print on white paper after it has dried. I would still want specimens if it is a Pholiota.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: Gravija]
    #19101954 - 11/07/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok i was doing the spore prints on foil but i will switch over to white paper right away, and in a few hours i will get you the picture of that spore print.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: Gravija]
    #19101957 - 11/07/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well; it could be considered that many acedemics in his day had a disconcerting amount of liquor, cocaine and laudanum in their evening diets :P

Pholiota seems plausible enough, but I am still very happy to consider Gymnopilus for now.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19102000 - 11/07/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ok i was doing the spore prints on foil but i will switch over to white paper right away, and in a few hours i will get you the picture of that spore print.




Leave some on foil for microscopy.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: Gravija]
    #19102199 - 11/07/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Can anybody confirm if #2 is matsutake? I kind of want to try them but im not sure. The smell is hard to describe but kind of spicy like radishes but also kind of bad. Im bad at describing smells but i dont think they smell like cinnamon.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19102230 - 11/07/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Matsutake looks right to me, but I'm no trusted identifier. :thumbup:
I am not to be trusted :wink:


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19102259 - 11/07/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like the original G. luteofolius (peck). You should consider sending some also to me, or directly send it to Laura Guzman in mexico :pm: me pls =)


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19103919 - 11/08/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Can anybody confirm if #2 is matsutake? I kind of want to try them but im not sure. The smell is hard to describe but kind of spicy like radishes but also kind of bad. Im bad at describing smells but i dont think they smell like cinnamon.




Is it bitter to the taste? Looks like matsutake, doesn't sound like matsutake.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: canid]
    #19105723 - 11/08/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

@ Canid, i tried a small amount last night after reading in another thread about how matsu peels like a string cheese. mine matched the description, tasted pretty good and nice firm texture. Im pretty sure they are matsu ill be going back for more in a little bit.

And spore prints are done.. Im pretty nervous since both of them have similar sounding spore print colors I have no idea which one it is.. heres hoping to gymnopilus.. the spore print to me appears mostly brown with an orangish shade to it, the ones on foil look alot more orange than on paper.







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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19106668 - 11/08/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Went back to grab a few more to dry for microscopy and found a bunch of big ones in nearby area. I kind of think they are pholiota after seeing a bunch of them but ill wait for one of you pros to tell me :frown:

















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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19106734 - 11/08/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Those are certainly Matsutake.  The other ones certainly look like gyms, but with that spore print I would think Pholiota.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19106796 - 11/08/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wonder if it could be G. sordidostipes? I'd really like part of this collection if you are willing, OBS.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: Gravija]
    #19106842 - 11/08/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

for sure Gravija. Im going to send some to both you and Joust, if anybody else wants to look i can probably send more.

At this point what do you think of the spore prints Gravija, will it come down to microscopy to tell if this is a Gym or Pholiota?


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19106867 - 11/08/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Those are pretty damn ambiguous prints :lol: I'll mail part of what you send me to bloodworm. I really appreciate it! I'll PM you later.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: Gravija]
    #19106917 - 11/08/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm home now looking at these prints on my computer as opposed to my phone.  There is some orange in there I could not detect before.  I'm curious what they turn out to be.  :grin:


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: Lhun]
    #19107195 - 11/08/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Gymnopilus humicola is an idea...


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: Lhun]
    #19108141 - 11/08/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

They remind me a little bit of these that I found last year.


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19108708 - 11/09/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

can i ask why one would use KOH when preparing a spore slide rather than water?


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19146798 - 11/16/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I created a mushroom observer link for these and put it in with both samples and spore prints, they will be in the mail on Monday. Looking forward to hearing some results.

http://mushroomobserver.org/152378


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Re: 2x id request gymnopilus and unknown [Re: bloodworm]
    #19147670 - 11/16/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome!

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Gymnopilus humicola is an idea...




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