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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: stzacrack]
    #19114908 - 11/10/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

We cover this basic tenet here endlessly. A negative cannot be proven; however every test for the efficacy of prayer has failed miserably.

With zero credible evidence for God or prayer, it certainly is ignorant to accept either one of those as factual or even likely.


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19114937 - 11/10/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

if one was to experience something significant from prayer, or experience what they might perceive as "god", would that experience alone be enough to remain interested in the concept, possibility?

how reliable is experience?

this goes along with ufo sightings, cryptids, all things 'crazy'.

and listen, i know this is no excuse for ignorance, but i am young and honestly curious.

i don't have any proof to offer, and i know asking for proof of the negative gets us nowhere.



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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: stzacrack]
    #19114959 - 11/10/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It is rare that skeptics challenge the experience itself; rather the conclusion.

Experience: I saw a light in the sky!
Conclusion: Therefore it was an alien scout ship.

Experience: I felt warm and connected to the cosmos.
Conclusion: Therefore an all powerful Being beyond space and time exists and created the universe.

And so on...

In the meantime you have provided no backing for your contention that myself or other posters here lack empathy as you charged. An intellectually honest debater would either recant or make a solid case.


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: stzacrack]
    #19114992 - 11/10/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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cez said:
:thumbup:

Its pretty delusional to pray and think you are helping others.
..And to publicly boast about your praying as if its something to be proud of or acknowledged is just narcissistic IMO.




could we equate praying to visualizing success?

visualize and attack.

athletes believe they are going to win, when they truly don't know whether winning is what will become of the game.

is this also delusional?




Its different. 
The athlete that visualizes/prays before a contest then has control over his/her performance..I understand the benefits in that scenario.

In the form of a typhoon killing thousands and destroying the land, thousands of Christians can band together with prayer and not a damn thing will get done unless they then hop in a big bus and go to the affected area and offer their help in the form of action.


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: cez]
    #19116663 - 11/10/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A shit load of people are dead, let's take a moment to mock religion? What the fuck.


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: LysergicX7]
    #19116696 - 11/10/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:hissyfit:


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: Icelander] * 2
    #19117012 - 11/10/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Complaining about prayer is about as effective as prayer


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: LysergicX7]
    #19117027 - 11/10/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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A shit load of people are dead, let's take a moment to mock religion? What the fuck.




that was what i was getting at...

came off as bitter, like they were offended.

but whatever, doesn't make a difference either way.


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19117054 - 11/10/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
It is rare that skeptics challenge the experience itself; rather the conclusion.

Experience: I saw a light in the sky!
Conclusion: Therefore it was an alien scout ship.

Experience: I felt warm and connected to the cosmos.
Conclusion: Therefore an all powerful Being beyond space and time exists and created the universe.

And so on...

In the meantime you have provided no backing for your contention that myself or other posters here lack empathy as you charged. An intellectually honest debater would either recant or make a solid case.




alright, i concede, my comments were emotional and reactionary. it certainly was no debate, just a show of immaturity, and for that i regret making the post.

i respect the opinions here, and call me soft, but i thought it was a little sinister to rub salt in the wounds of the families of those 10,000 dead...although the opinions stated would never reach the consciousness of said families.

i just feel bad i guess  :notgettingup:


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: stzacrack]
    #19117481 - 11/10/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I was almost dead center (~12 miles) of the 1989 CA Bay Area earthquake. I did lots of volunteer work clearing roads and debris and such. There is little I can do for the Philipinos from here.

What are YOU doing to show you care?


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: stzacrack]
    #19117485 - 11/10/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

BTW, I appreciate the recant. That is rare here. :thumbup:


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19117513 - 11/10/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

as a homeless drug addicted fugitive on the lamb in a basement of a house 100's of miles from home...i am doing nothing  :unwanted:


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: stzacrack]
    #19117547 - 11/10/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



?

I hope you meant 'on the lam' as we don't take too kindly to beastiality in these here parts.


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19117650 - 11/10/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol, my mistake


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: stzacrack]
    #19118982 - 11/11/13 03:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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as a homeless drug addicted fugitive on the lamb in a basement of a house 100's of miles from home...i am doing nothing  :unwanted:




Well if you really cared you clean up, get a job, buy a house, sell the house, fly over there and fix everything. :nono:

I'm going to pray for you. :pope:


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: Icelander]
    #19119546 - 11/11/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

haha yes, tomorrow i go home to meet my maker.

been clean for two weeks, and should only be in jail for less than a year, which ultimately should be a wonderful opportunity to STAY clean.

plus the jail isn't a very dangerous one, i should be ok.

and do you think this hurricane is going to result in a cheap housing market over there?


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Re: Super typhoon to hit Philippines. [Re: stzacrack]
    #19119701 - 11/11/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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stzacrack said:
haha yes, tomorrow i go home to meet my maker.

been clean for two weeks, and should only be in jail for less than a year, which ultimately should be a wonderful opportunity to STAY clean.

plus the jail isn't a very dangerous one, i should be ok.

and do you think this hurricane is going to result in a cheap housing market over there?



Quote:

stzacrack said:
haha yes, tomorrow i go home to meet my maker.

been clean for two weeks, and should only be in jail for less than a year, which ultimately should be a wonderful opportunity to STAY clean.

plus the jail isn't a very dangerous one, i should be ok.

and do you think this hurricane is going to result in a cheap housing market over there?






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