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Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges
    #19100178 - 11/07/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

November 7, 2013

NEW YORK — The alleged mastermind behind the "darkweb" site Silk Road denies charges of drug dealing, money laundering and computer hacking, his lawyer said Wednesday after a brief court appearance.

Ross Ulbricht, 29, wearing a brown and navy jail uniform, stood quietly beside his attorney, Joshua Dratel, for a 30-minute hearing in U.S. District Court in Manhattan. Ulbricht, who was arrested last month in the science fiction section of a public library in San Francisco, arrived in New York on Tuesday.

He is accused of creating an underground website that allowed anonymous purchases of illegal drugs and hiring of hackers and hit men. Federal agents have seized electronic wallets containing $35 million worth of Bitcoin, a virtual currency used to transact business on the website.

The appearance in court Wednesday settled scheduling matters and did not deal with the allegations. Ulbricht returns to court Nov. 21.

Dratel said Ulbricht, a University of Texas graduate with a degree in physics, will plead not guilty and will ask a judge to release him on bail. Dratel said he will ask the judge to consider a bail package that could include property as collateral, electronic monitoring and travel restrictions.

"He is not the person that they are saying he is," Dratel said. "He is a regular person, someone who has never been in trouble."

Dratel would not say what Ulbricht did for a living after he left graduate school at Penn State, where he earned a prestigious research award in materials science for the 2008-09 academic year.

Federal agents say Ulbricht started Silk Road on Jan. 27, 2011. He moved to San Francisco, where he lived quietly with roommates who knew him as "Josh," in September 2012, court papers say.

Silk Road used an underground computer network known as "The Onion Router" or "Tor" that relays messages through at least three separate computer servers to disguise its users.

The Silk Road website had nearly a million customers and $1.2 billion in sales, court papers say. Silk Road's operator, known on the site as "Dread Pirate Roberts," allegedly collected commissions worth $80 million. FBI Agent Christopher Tarbell called Silk Road "the most sophisticated and extensive criminal marketplace on the Internet today."



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/06/alleged-silk-road-mastermind-appears-in-new-york-court/3457313/


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: Ogla] * 5
    #19100355 - 11/07/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It would be so funny if the evidence wouldn't suffice to nail him. :laugh2:

Not gonna happen though.


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19100592 - 11/07/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hope he gets off :grin:

I don't think he will though, either.

it will come down to whether the prosecuting attorney can explain encryption and the tor network and how virtual vs physical servers etc. work to a bunch of random jury members


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: NWlight]
    #19100692 - 11/07/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He's fucked.  Only hope is jury nullification, but no jury's going to nullify a conviction for a man connected to selling heroin, cocaine, etc.


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19101224 - 11/07/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

he never sold anything though. other people sold through the site :shrug:

plus they are going to have to prove he actually tried to hire a hit. with what he's worth, i think it's feasible that someone tried to set him up, who knows.


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: 404]
    #19101290 - 11/07/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I mean, the amount of money laundered through that site alone...they're gonna throw the book at him though.  And even if he somehow finds a way to dismiss all the evidence of his website activities, he's got $35 million in bitcoins locked up and no income tax paid on it - they could just Al Capone his ass.


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19101356 - 11/07/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

are bitcoins taxable currency ?
i mean sure, if you transfer them into USD


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19101416 - 11/07/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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it will come down to whether the prosecuting attorney can explain encryption and the tor network and how virtual vs physical servers etc.





Not really. The mistakes he made were made in real life, not on the internet.


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19101550 - 11/07/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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it will come down to whether the prosecuting attorney can explain encryption and the tor network and how virtual vs physical servers etc.





Not really. The mistakes he made were made in real life, not on the internet.



the mistakes were IRL mistakes


but they led to discovery of his ILLEGAL online activities.


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: NWlight]
    #19102049 - 11/07/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i dont think he's going to get that much time. if he does. besides, when he gets out, he will have options considering he rain a business pretty much.


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: 404]
    #19102803 - 11/07/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If he got entrapped by an FBI UC for solicitation of murder then he is going to jail for a long time just on that charge alone...


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19103931 - 11/08/13 03:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The mere fact that cops entrap people for murder should tell us how fucked up the US is today. Down with the government!


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19104308 - 11/08/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i thought entrapment was illegal.


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19104311 - 11/08/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

CoIntelPro anyone? The bulk of the FBI's funds are used to infiltrate and "neutralize" radicals and dissidents, with a little extra on the side to nail the unapproved-but-successful capitalists who deal in "illegal" goods and services.

It's funny Al Capone was mentioned by another commenter. If anyone watches Boardwalk Empire or knows the story, Meyer Lansky was a crucial component of the founding of the CIA, hired to bust unions and "neutralize" radicals and dissidents (communists, anarchists, socialists) in Europe - especially the formerly Fascist countries, where exactly the same work was organized at the national level. It all goes round and round.

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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: 404]
    #19104316 - 11/08/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i thought entrapment was illegal.




Nah. That's a myth they thrive on in order to dupe us. The truth is the FBI uses every illegal method necessary to take undesirable elements down, up to and including assassination *cough Fred Hampton*.


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: Ogla]
    #19104363 - 11/08/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it'd be crazy if bitcoins when waaaay down and the 35m he has turns into $35


also the feds can't access the money right? that must really be pissing them off


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: Ogla]
    #19106117 - 11/08/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if oj simpson can get off of murder surely ulbricht can too. he'll johnnie cochran their ass, you'll see, the glove wont fit.


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: zZZz]
    #19106161 - 11/08/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

nah its drug money that they can legally seize easier instead of directing it to the courts and attorneys. in OJs case he was rich legitimately so they can't just steal his money. it would be a miracle if the glove doesn't fit Ulbricht.


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: D.M.T]
    #19106361 - 11/08/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If he gets convicted then I strongly believe his final "fuck you" will be to refuse to hand over his BTC


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Re: Ulbricht pleads not guilty to Silk Road Charges [Re: NWlight]
    #19108971 - 11/09/13 03:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't hand them over. :shrug:
Unless of course, I could buy my ass free with a part of it.
If he gets lucky, drugs will be legal by the time he gets out of prison and those bitcoins are gonna be A LOT more worth at that point.


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