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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Enlil]
    #19100966 - 11/07/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There are certainly some things that I have gotten that I know where not gotten legally. DVD rips of movies with digital watermarks and the like

But you're leaving a massive gap of people who are buying products then sharing them. Which means that a great deal of sharing that I have done is well within the accepted norm.

As to the licensing again I'm not a lawyer. But by not profiting (my take on profit) I am no different than a library from a moral standpoint.


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Juicin]
    #19100985 - 11/07/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you buy a song and then give it to someone else and delete it from your computer, you're no different than the library and you're not doing anything wrong.

If you buy a song and give it to 10 friends along with keeping a copy for yourself, you just fucked the copyright holder over.  Telling yourself otherwise is just intellectually dishonest.


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Enlil]
    #19101012 - 11/07/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So I either am or am not profiting from the use of the free copyrighted material.

Pick

There is no difference between a hard drive and a library. One is physical one is digital.

You are making a pretty fine line in your moral code there.


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Juicin]
    #19101031 - 11/07/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not at all.  Making the copy without permission is profiting.  If you give a copy to someone and delete yours there was no profit because the net number of copies didn't change.  For YOU to increase the number of copies out there without permission is profiting.


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Juicin]
    #19101052 - 11/07/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

But as I said before, I don't recognize artists rights to control the number of digitized copies of the intellectual property. As some one who grew up in the digital age it was hard for me to wrap my head around your argument. Now that I understand I'm saying there is nothing morally wrong from me keeping a copy of some one's music.

Morally this is no different than being a library. Depending on what you share you could be doing the community a service.

edit - from my viewpoint, and probably a lot of my generations.


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Juicin]
    #19101067 - 11/07/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You're entitled to your opinion, however self-serving and irrational it might be.


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Enlil]
    #19101084 - 11/07/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You're entitled to your opinion, however self-serving and irrational it might be.




So do you think ancient scholars transcribing text was theft?

You have a very strong view on people's right to control information


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Juicin]
    #19101115 - 11/07/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for ruining my thread guys...


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Juicin]
    #19101212 - 11/07/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So do you think ancient scholars transcribing text was theft?

You have a very strong view on people's right to control information



I don't know if it was theft or not.  The notion of intellectual property didn't exist at the time, so probably not.  Historical arguments like that are pretty weak.  Lots of things were morally acceptable that would be universally condemned today. 

I do have strong views on people's right to control the distribution of their creations, yes.  I see a strong value in the concept of intellectual property where you see none.  I suspect your opinion comes from ignorance and/or unwillingness to look at the bigger picture. 

In any case, you want shit for free, so no one is going to convince you that you're morally culpable for taking it for free.  Like so many others, your morals are defined by your desires.


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Poor Boy]
    #19101219 - 11/07/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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thanks for ruining my thread guys...



We made your thread interesting.  Your threads, as a rule, suck so badly that you should be glad that someone other than you took the initiative to improve one of them.


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Enlil]
    #19101240 - 11/07/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

whatever you say, guy.

i wouldnt be braggin too much. i mean, you did just debate the legalities of pirating for the past 3 hours...


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Poor Boy]
    #19101264 - 11/07/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The morality...not the legality.  Your reading comprehension is piss poor.

There is no question that it's illegal.  You're violating federal law on a regular basis, and hopefully you'll be fined for it, although I'd be just as happy to see you end up in federal pound-in-the-ass prison. 

That's unlikely though. 

A man can still dream...


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Enlil]
    #19101280 - 11/07/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

nigga, im hard. prison aint shit for me. got family up and down dominquez which is where id prob go. you know what though. while im locked up im going to think of nothing but finding you and man handling your ass. thats right. im gonna DSYSB. it aint gay either cause i would have been locked up for so long. im doing push ups now.


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Poor Boy]
    #19101302 - 11/07/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I said federal prison, kid.  No parole up in that motherfucker.  You'll have lots of time to sit and ponder all of the things you'd like to do to some random internet dude's ass...

...since obviously that's your thing.


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    #19101310 - 11/07/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Poor Boy]
    #19101323 - 11/07/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You'll have to take a number, holmes.  There is a line of e-badasses hoping for a piece of me.  You're neither the cleverest nor the most interesting of the lot.


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Enlil]
    #19104917 - 11/08/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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So do you think ancient scholars transcribing text was theft?

You have a very strong view on people's right to control information



I don't know if it was theft or not.  The notion of intellectual property didn't exist at the time, so probably not.  Historical arguments like that are pretty weak.  Lots of things were morally acceptable that would be universally condemned today. 

I do have strong views on people's right to control the distribution of their creations, yes.  I see a strong value in the concept of intellectual property where you see none.  I suspect your opinion comes from ignorance and/or unwillingness to look at the bigger picture. 

In any case, you want shit for free, so no one is going to convince you that you're morally culpable for taking it for free.  Like so many others, your morals are defined by your desires.




You honestly think patenting things like medicine and technology is helpful to society?

It's easy to defend broadening access to information that improves quality of life. For example ancient authors transcribing text. Obviously it becomes much more of a grey area when you're talking about entertainment. But you give up the right to control information as soon as you let it into the public sphere.


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Juicin]
    #19105054 - 11/08/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You honestly think patenting things like medicine and technology is helpful to society?






Yes. It provides the capital and motivation to develop them.


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19105067 - 11/08/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If you buy a song and then give it to someone else and delete it from your computer, you're no different than the library and you're not doing anything wrong.

If you buy a song and give it to 10 friends along with keeping a copy for yourself, you just fucked the copyright holder over.  Telling yourself otherwise is just intellectually dishonest.




not in canada, i get taxed on the blank cd's i buy for this purpose


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Re: downloading and burning movies [Re: Enlil]
    #19105111 - 11/08/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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