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The Shining.
#19099080 - 11/07/13 06:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So for those of you who except DA as a prime mover in human affairs, what do you think about scary movies like the shining or the Exorcist as opposed to other ways we die and our fear levels? For example we can watch a war movie and while horrified or saddened are not terrified out of our wits. What do you see here as the difference?
Discuss please.
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stzacrack
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first thing i thought was that both seem to happen only to others, excluding ourselves from involvement in such things.
though the difference?
another soldier will die under a barrage of bullets.
apparently the supernatural is not physically bound? though it effects the girl physically...her persona will not cease with a barrage of bullets, thus she is more threatening than an army of armed soldiers?
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Surprise, and it's fear of the unknown or "insanity" and the capabilities of such. People have a priori knowledge that going to battle means gory death so they may be horrified and scared of such death but it is expected and so not as objectively feared. Scary Shit comes when the insane man from down the road is breaking through your house and property with a hatchet attempting to hack you to pieces, at home in your comfort space. It takes their comfort and security. Really it's sad, these things/media cause parents to raise children Ina fucked up fear riddled way. Bc they are scared by shit that in all likelihood wouldn't happen. Now kids are pussies.
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The thought of angels, more specifically demons is a haunting notion for many people.
To be so scared of the imagination that people believe it to be real is something quite fascinating...In a depressive sort of way
Edited by cez (11/07/13 03:56 PM)
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? Is this a typo or are you asking for the opinion of those who don't think DA is a prime mover?
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Re: The Shining. [Re: cez]
#19102524 - 11/07/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cez said: The thought of angels, more specifically demons is a haunting notion for many people.
To be so scared of the imagination that people believe it to be real is something quite fascinating...In a depressive sort of way 
You should read the shit I am wading through in M&P. Everything there is possibilities and could bes; and facts have no relevance.
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Yeah and its meant to be that way. So watch yo self.
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Cactilove
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Quote:
So for those of you who except DA as a prime mover in human affairs, what do you think about scary movies like the shining or the Exorcist as opposed to other ways we die and our fear levels? For example we can watch a war movie and while horrified or saddened are not terrified out of our wits. What do you see here as the difference?
Discuss please.
For starters watching a well done war movie like Fullmetal Jacket is absolutely terrifying for me. However, it is a different kind of scary. It probably has something to do with the ways horror movies are directed. Stanley Kubrick was rumored to have put in subliminal messages in the movie and most definitely arranged certain things in that movie to catch you off guard and blow your mind. When it get's down to it though...I think it has everything to do with supernatural evil, you can't kill that linda blair bitch with a 12 gauge slug, and if she get's you, death is not the end of your fear and suffering.
Realistic fear that comes with war movies is easier to handle. You can kill that vietnamese sniper bitch with a spray from your machine gun, and if you die, well your dead.
That's just sort of my shallow surface thoughts on the matter. I suppose it could be that we were just raised in a religious culture and were taught to fear demons and ghosts more then men from a young age.
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The reason/belief system
The scapegoat , if you join the military a gang or even law enforcement you might expect a certain amount of risk that would be associated in those fields that may coincide direly with your death.
I don't know how to say this well but i think it has alot to do in general with being able to brush things aside when it comes to your death, you can put it into a place of justification so that you don't even have to think about your death, you just use something else to blame or as an excuse, lifestyle or all of the above + more, for the only thing you know to be true which is the deterioration of the fleshy carcass you currently occupy.
So that being said people can tolerate the horrors of war because there are always scapegoats that come into play for the whys behind the what that is happening (we are protecting the nation , bravery,hero etc.)
But when some bitch gets possessed by something or it, that people may or not know to be true by unexplainable reasons , people freak out because there is no scapegoat just something random and unexplainable through logic.
So in a way a it could remind them they are going to die because as much as anyone may be saddened by a wartime torture scene as long as its not happening to me its all good right? You can negate this by telling yourself you would never involve your self in such nonsense or not go to prison for fear of rape , there is some train of logic there reap what you sow and whatnot but like who the fuck are the Gremlins meant to be.
When it comes to horror it often is ridiculous and defiant of logic but it still has the power to activate ones imagination and from there comes the realization that the main concept of those films is generally based on killing and death which is something unavoidable in 'real life' by any of its watchers.
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I agree for the most part. I remember watching a lot of horror films as a kid mostly because they were forbidden not because I overly enjoy the genre. But Freddy Krueger was the scariest by far for me. Most of the time the shows were just a story for me and had little impact but the Freddy movies took away even the escape of imagination. The realm of endless possibilities. Krueger could get you even there. The safe haven of dreams was no longer safe. Where, then, can one hide from the horror?
To me that suggests an interaction between the terror of death and our ability to mitigate it with any number of mental escape routes. For me it was simplest to put a horror story into the category of story, of imagination. So when the horror character breached that defense it was genuinely scary. Most likely different story lines hit different people in different ways. But in the end it seems to me related to our personal coping mechanisms.
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Re: The Shining. [Re: Kickle]
#19104978 - 11/08/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like it.
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Why did Grand Theft Auto V sell for $1 billion in its first three days on the public market?
People enjoy violence, peace is only based on desire to socialize and team-work. I am sure most would love to go nuts with a machine gun on the street if everything was forgotten the next day and there were no consequences nor moral sides to it, at least in these cultures. Through such acts you control your environment which is what everyone chase, making everyone around you their bitch extends your life-line in a comfortable way or simply the way you want it.
As in regards to horror movies, it's much the same as with extreme sports, release of adrenaline and challenging existence. Once it goes too far, existence gets too real and it's not fun losing control anymore. This is why a 5 year old would piss his pants watching The Shining whilst a 30 year old would find it entertaining. The 5 year old is obviously in a much more unstable and vulnerable state than the 30 year old. There is little doubt humans are drawn to the morally forbidden or what may jeopardize existence as this is how adrenaline is released which mostly feels good.
I don't know why adrenaline feels good though, maybe this is what caught the most delicious food back in the days?
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Re: The Shining. [Re: Kickle]
#19105264 - 11/08/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I agree for the most part. I remember watching a lot of horror films as a kid mostly because they were forbidden not because I overly enjoy the genre. But Freddy Krueger was the scariest by far for me. Most of the time the shows were just a story for me and had little impact but the Freddy movies took away even the escape of imagination. The realm of endless possibilities. Krueger could get you even there. The safe haven of dreams was no longer safe. Where, then, can one hide from the horror?
To me that suggests an interaction between the terror of death and our ability to mitigate it with any number of mental escape routes. For me it was simplest to put a horror story into the category of story, of imagination. So when the horror character breached that defense it was genuinely scary. Most likely different story lines hit different people in different ways. But in the end it seems to me related to our personal coping mechanisms.
I agree.
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Re: The Shining. [Re: Kickle]
#19105391 - 11/08/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I agree for the most part. I remember watching a lot of horror films as a kid mostly because they were forbidden not because I overly enjoy the genre. But Freddy Krueger was the scariest by far for me. Most of the time the shows were just a story for me and had little impact but the Freddy movies took away even the escape of imagination. The realm of endless possibilities. Krueger could get you even there. The safe haven of dreams was no longer safe. Where, then, can one hide from the horror?
To me that suggests an interaction between the terror of death and our ability to mitigate it with any number of mental escape routes. For me it was simplest to put a horror story into the category of story, of imagination. So when the horror character breached that defense it was genuinely scary. Most likely different story lines hit different people in different ways. But in the end it seems to me related to our personal coping mechanisms.
Pleasure of not being the victim is also very rewarding. My life sucks but it's not that bad.
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