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OfflineTehMyceliumMonster
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    #19098066 - 11/06/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ive been looking at meditation to help take my trips to new levels & expand my consciousness a bit more but im not too sure how to do this.
usually i trip hard but cant seem to reach any higher states of consciousness no matter how much or what substance i use. Its like i never really get much out of it other than visuals, euphoria, looping thoughts, & paranoia.

I dont quite understand meditation though. Ive attempted it before but always felt like i was doing something wrong.
Really all ive done is layed down in a dark quiet room & slowed my breathing & tried to keep my mind blank but this always ends in unintended sleep.

My question is, what should my mind be doing during meditation?
I mean is it just blank or should there be guided thought or should i be trying to visualize different objects & gain more detail as i go?

Really i just need to figure out how & what exactly meditation is about.


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Re: meditation [Re: TehMyceliumMonster]
    #19098137 - 11/06/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think your mind has to be doing anything.
Just keep focusing on your breathing.:thumbup:

There's different flavors, Id recommend the book "Zen Mind" by Shunryu Suzuki.

Its a book on some of his lectures and is a nice tool for learning meditation.


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Re: meditation [Re: cez]
    #19098263 - 11/06/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what i do when i try to meditate, and i learned this in a rehab lol,'is i lay down flat on my back, in a dark room on my bed,
and i like you said slow my breathing and just and i picture a blue/ sometimes yellow, little ball of "energy" right where my third eye would be, and after ive slowed my breathng for a few minutes, i take a deep breath and when i breathe out, i picture that energy moving to where your cerebellum would be.
then i basically engulf myself in that "pure energy" as i like to call it, lol.
i remain at that level for a few minutes, and bask in it.
then i picture it leaving my body, and forming a ball above my toes, just a blue energy ball i guess.
then i flatten it, and i progressively move the flat disk up my body, toes to head, and every body part it passes over, i visualize it falling off of me, i like to think into another dimension, but to each their own.
any ways, once my whole body is done, i sort of turn the disk into a funnel above my third eye, and by this point i can only describe the feeling as if their where a little hole right where your third eye is, and i can feel it i guess lol.
anyways, i use it to funnel all the positive energies in my room around me, and just funnel it into my body and absorb it.
i progressively visualize my neighborhood, the state, country, world, and ends of the universe even, and all the whhile visualizing myself absorbing it, but my boyd is fallen somewhere i guess haha.

But yeah, that usually does the trick for me, by that point im gone like, sometimes its comparable to sleep paralysis i suppose,
your body is asleep, but your mind is awake,
i sometimes use it to induce lucid dreaming, and you can still wake up by maken a suddent whole body movement, at least for me it works,
but yknow whatever works for you,

thats my detailed description of my homemade meditation haha,sorry about the length. oh and i could only imagine that being underr the influence of hallucinogens would only make the experience that much more spiritual. ive used it once, only once, to communicate with my spirit guardians, and i even found one of my spirit animals, an owl, whos now tattooed on my forearm haha.

hope i helped at all, my friend, and good luck!


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Whenever our ethnic or national prejudices are aroused, in times of scarcity, during challenges to national self-esteem or nerve, when we agonize about our diminished cosmic place and purpose, or when fanaticism is bubbling up around us-then, habits of thought familiar from ages past reach for the controls. The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir.
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Re: meditation [Re: TheDudex3]
    #19099351 - 11/07/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Meditation and tripping are opposites. Might I suggest 5 grams in pitch black like mckenna used to say?


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Re: meditation [Re: Yogi1]
    #19100233 - 11/07/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well.... tripping and meditation do not need to be opposites, it is just about the way you meditate.. for example, you could use the crown chakra to meditate the most usual way, into yourself and finding the power, or the socalled death-chakra to end up in a tripplike state. You could focus on accepting and not responding to your surroundings in order to enter the void, or feeling the heart-chakra to get a sort of euphoria.. basicly the possibilaties are infinite aslong you are creative.. these are some of mine.. though if you are to try focusing on the death-chakra, I would suggest thinking twice.. should you manage it, the expereance is quite ....brutal..

In order to meditate the only thing you need is focus. Focus means concentrating your energy by shutting all else out.  You set a goal, and you focus on it. The goal is your to set. Good luck :smile:


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And thus begins the  reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.


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Re: meditation [Re: TehMyceliumMonster]
    #19100491 - 11/07/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You cannot "force" your way into a higher realm of consciousness.  It doesn't work that way.  If we're to believe the accounts of mystics throughout the ages, knowledge -- profound knowledge -- comes only with a total surrender of the will.

And you cannot force yourself to "surrender," either. 

The Christian and Islamic mystics describe the surrender as a grace.  It falls upon you, like a gentle rain, or it does not.

And either way, you are safe.

"Fear not," says the Buddha.


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Re: meditation [Re: all this beauty]
    #19100530 - 11/07/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That may be true, but how do you define force, and how can you say this, let alone anything is impossible?


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And thus begins the  reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.


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Re: meditation [Re: Icyus]
    #19100676 - 11/07/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icyus said:
That may be true, but how do you define force, and how can you say this, let alone anything is impossible?



I think I can put myself in a setting or situation that is conducive to "surrender," but I cannot "make" the surrender happen.

Users of mind-altering substances will understand. 

You can make a pleasant (and potentially profound) drug experience more likely by situating yourself in the right setting with the right people and at the right time, but you cannot "make" the experience pleasant or profound.

If you try to "force" the experience to be pleasant and/or profound, you'll likely end up with the opposite result.


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Re: meditation [Re: all this beauty]
    #19100694 - 11/07/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This may be difficult for you, but do not say impossible for everyone...


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Re: meditation [Re: TehMyceliumMonster]
    #19104166 - 11/08/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'd try sitting up so you don't fall asleep. I prefer to place my attention on my breath, because it's very difficult to place it on nothing. It pretty much needs some focus. I really found "Turning the Mind into an Ally" by Sakyong Mipham. He very clearly explains the problems that everyone faces in meditation. Helps you realize you aren't alone in this doubt, and that doubt is just another step in the process.


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Re: meditation [Re: TehMyceliumMonster]
    #19465185 - 01/23/14 10:16 PM (10 years, 7 days ago)

loving kindness meditation
grateful for the simple title of this thread
my eyes drifted to the mushrooms,
waves of faded rainbow aura, very strong
feeling of joy caused by your original intent of meditation
feeling of compassion, not wanting to physically type too loudly
loving kindness for all attempts at spirituality
this board is very spiritual
the thought in the mind is

all beings are one shamanic self that is happy and aware of transcendent reality

ganesha

*conceptionlessness, ecstasy, pure being*


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Re: meditation [Re: goodmushroom777]
    #19468380 - 01/24/14 04:21 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

I'm not sure about what you ask about tripping but in terms of meditating ... Do not 'try' to think of nothing or block out thoughts. When a thought arises, observe it as an outsider and watch it pass as you bring your attention back to your breathing. With practice you will begin to identify more with observing than thinking during meditation. Intrusive thoughts will become less frequent. This feeling can then be transferred to everyday situations outside of meditation like falling asleep or perhaps when tripping as you mention. In meditation we are practicing getting into a state of mind so that we can do it more frequently when we aren't meditating.


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Re: meditation [Re: TehMyceliumMonster]
    #19471133 - 01/25/14 09:22 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

http://aromeditation.org/
This is an email course that i used when i began meditating. They send you instructions each week to kind of teach you the different things you can do with different types of meditation. very accessible

Aro’s free meditation course is a series of weekly emails that are sent to you automatically by this web site.

The course takes a practical, down-to-earth approach. The first week’s email provides all the instructions you need to get started.

In the following weeks, you will learn refinements in the technique and additional meditation exercises. The course also explains ways of dealing with any problems that may come up, shows how to apply the insights of meditation to the rest of life, and recommends other resources and further steps.

If you already know that you want to learn how to meditate, you can sign up for the course now. The first email will come immediately. We will not share your email address with anyone else. You can unsubscribe at any time if the course turns out not to be for you.


Edited by OrgasmicBanana (01/25/14 09:23 AM)


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