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Liberty caps in england...
    #1909801 -

I am hoping to try my luck at finding some liberty caps in the wild this year...

I have read up and looked at pictures and things on identifying them and I'll like post pictures here for help should we come back with anything...

But my question is, when would be a good time to go, because we've had a heat wave summer and little rain, and I know it's around september (later) but are there any times or signs in the weather etc. I should def look for before I stomp out to the nearest fields?

I am under the impression it is a bit too early and need to wait for more rain...

Also, I read but couldn't find any information on poisonous look-a-likes to liberty caps...did I miss something or are all look-a-likes harmless. I obviously won't be taking any risks but for peace of mind be nice to know...

Thank you to all those who reply! If I missed something vital tell em and i'll reply or edit it in...

Btw, I am in the south of england.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
    #1909824 -

it will probably be a few weeks at least before you start seeing any dignifigant fruitings. my best advice for you is to keep an eye on the forums and wait till you start seeing/hearing about finds in your area and then get out and hunt.

be safe about hunting and especialuy about identifying. if you have any questions about the identity of a find you can always come here and get help as long as you read the rules and the requirements for posting an id request.

good luck and happy hunting.


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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it.
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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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Try reading some of the current posts in this forum about lib hunting. There's only been about 5 or 6 of them in the last couple weeks... It's kind of rediculous really. We need to consolidate, people :wink: 

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Gumby]
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Hey, thank you...

I did do a search (several combinations) and found a lot of liberty caps but most of it I already knew from reading the guide thing, but I couldnt find anything on hunting them in the U.K. itself...especially regarding the summer's weather and the effect it might have on fruiting.

I will stop by here daily and check if any Englishers find liberty caps...

Thanks again, alex.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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we need an english shroomery don't we

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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Welcome to the shroomery Ajoc !

You may find this site of some use in finding spots near you in the South.

Happy hunting !

http://members.lycos.co.uk/shroommap/map.htm


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Bi0TeK]
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wowee can't find that on a search engine though can you

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: audio_head]
    #1909930 -

The place has already started being taken over by the Brits  :wink: 


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: audio_head]
    #1909933 -

actually i have seen that before i feel cheated,
and the identification guide don't work and also
seeing as there is only about 9 types of magic mushroom in
the uk you think you would be able to find a
list of them

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: audio_head]
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adiohead: this is an english shroomery, as well as one for every other contry. part of the beauty of this site is that there are users from so many contries. it gives us all a new perspective whenever we need one and a chance to find others like ourselves near us.


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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it.
If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Bi0TeK]
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Hey, cool, thanks for the link I found it a long time ago and didnt pay much attention cos I was planning on going picking then but it's useful now!

That main map isn't much use - nothing near me, but this one I found

http://members.lycos.co.uk/shroommap/libertyCapLocations.gif

THis one has a large amount of dots at the very centre-south of England (not the south west...) which are basically a little to the left of where I live (southampton)...

I'll see what they correspond to on a real map of Hampshire and try my luck there when the time is right.

Thanks!

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: canid]
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ooooooooooohhhhhhh great in that case just point me to the "these mushrooms grow in england" page and i will stop making noise

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: audio_head]
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audio; you can find a list of mushrooms that grow in the UK linked to here at the shroomery so i don't know you are getting at by complaining.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: canid]
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As far as I have understood Liberty Caps are the most common and easily identifiable ones which is why I'm going for them...

And yeh it would be cool talking to other UK "experts", even meeting up with them if they're not fat away to go hunting together and pass on some info in person...

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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The south downs, surrey, sussex are good areas to head to, there
hilly and sheep farmed (Basicaly what i look for in a site)
But its still too dry, the ground needs time to recover from
our very dry summer (sweet england had a good summer :tongue:)

Good luck and happy hunting.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Paid]
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Ill let you guys know of my progress in england. We seriously needa new Uk shroom map site, that lycos one is far too slow.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: JimBoB]
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Woud The Shroomery Host maybe an Englush Specific Subsection/Forum to help English people get more relevant information about mushrooms?

I would help if help was needed but to be honest for the time being I am hardly very knowledgable...

This might be a bad idea though, feel free to post why if you think it is...

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
    #1911981 -

If you made an faq contribution, im sure they would host it.
Maybe we should work on somthing.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Paid]
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I'm all for that.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Englander]
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yea i think that would help a lot of european hunters, such as my friend from sweden who is frustrated with looking for P. semilanceata because "they all look like totally different mushrooms."  :rolleyes:
hell, if any help is needed with computer stuff ill help, although ive never been to britain.... :blush: 

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1912775 -

Apparently, there are no deadly shrooms that look like liberty caps growing in the UK. So it's all good :smile:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MagmaManiac]
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I'll knock somthing up, any one else wants to contribute, pm me :-)
Though not this weekend :-) it me birthday :tongue:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Paid]
    #1913052 -

Sorceroom: it is never safe to assume that. there may be none known presently but that dosen't mean you will not be the first to find one.
i am sure there are some potentialy dangerous conocybes at the least that might cohabitate with grassland species of psilocybe.

Paid: i'll be your friend for ever if you help make up an faq contribution on this matter. this is a frequent enough line of questions that i'm sure it would be given consideration.


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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it.
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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Paid]
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Paid said:
I'll knock somthing up, any one else wants to contribute, pm me :-)
Though not this weekend :-) it me birthday :tongue: 


Should be getting out soon, hoping to get some nice pics of them.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Jackal]
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I reckon 1st of october, I'm gonna check my spots, this is down south.  Expect some pics! :smile:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ego Death]
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How far down south are you?

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
    #1918174 -

wayhey, englanders!

Portsmouth here :tongue:

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Englander]
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It's gonna be getting a bit wetter this weekend, so hopefully soon enough we can go hunting :laugh:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sorceroom]
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ahhh freezing fingers...


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sorceroom]
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I don't know much but surely one weekend of wet weather won't be enough? Unless maybe if it tips down but I can't see that happening witht ehw eather we've had recently...

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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Dorset


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ego Death]
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Hey, cool lots of southerners :laugh:

Be sure to let me know if you find anything in the coming weeks so I have a rough idea on when to try my luck cos at the moment I am clueless!

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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I have a depressing feeling its going to be a few weeks yet before southern england gets the proper soaking it needs :frown:
Ajoc I agree - bit of sporadic rain wont be much help cause its been so warm and dry for so long.
The odd autumnal species is starting to appear, but for big flushes of shrooms the prediction of the BMS is that, in the south at least, the season will be late & much reduced.
This is what happened last year (although not nearly so extreme) in the London area, but we were still blessed with a very wet and productive end-of-season with abundant shrooms in mid-late November (I am speaking mostly of Ps. cyanescens, but lib caps too).  Hopefully this will happen again...

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: pluteus]
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Yeah, the grounds far to dry, still worth looking alone
river banks and in wet lands :-) and damp woods.
But this is going to be a short season for sure.

Is it raining in wales? I know scotlands had some rain.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Paid]
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do liberty caps ever grow when there are some frosts or small freezes at night.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Paid]
    #1923208 -

well.. you may recall, I started picking last year at mid-july, but with the unusually dry weather I still haven't seen a single one up here yet....
I reckon either it's going to be a bumper late autumn harvest, given plenty of rain and a late frost, or else a really bad year.....not that last year was that good either:(


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #1923289 -

let's keep are fingers crossed for the former CdC.
i'm hoping for an expediant transition into fall here.

btw: it's good to see you still posting, i've not seen you around for a while.


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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it.
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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: canid]
    #1938928 -

weather update:
it's been absolutely wazzing down for the past 4 hours, things are looking up:)


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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they grow all over. everywhere there is grass. real easy to spot: after you spot the first one, the rest all jump out to say hi. another week or two i reckon, after the rains. my fave spot got ringfenced with barbed wire, so i'll have tp jumpo in the car, hit the road, and turn off when i see a cow  :laugh: - that's what i did to find the last spot  :grin:

Wahey, England England uber alles etc etc


 


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: shirley knott]
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hey mate they are out in force. the best place to look is cow fields at the bottom of slopes.

the poisonous look a likes are slimey ones with black stems and ones with vertical stripes.

good luck!!

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Lazerouth]
    #1940066 -

jesus, the weather is great today. its raining down HARD at the moment

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: JimBoB]
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the rain has just started in the south.... and what looks like a hurricane as well! I was just logging into the site to see what the news is on shrooms in the UK, and it began to pour down, and I mean POUR down.... only a matter of dayz now i hope

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: badasstommyd]
    #1940383 -

yep it's been pissing it down all day here, which is nice.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MetaShroom]
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Sorry to bump but I saw the rain too, and it's been very cold suddenly...should I think about going out this weekend, or is more rain needed (remember we've had insane dryness)...??

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
    #1948213 -

Worth a look this weekend, i shall be :-)
though the forecast is dry :[


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Paid]
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Rain is supposed to kicking in 2moro, hoping to see at least one form of mushrooms on sat :mushroom2:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1950455 -

I'm gonna go hunitng this weekend, but I'm not really expecting much seeing as we've still not had much of a decent soaking (West Midlands), considering the severe lack of rain all summer. Has anybody found any Fly Agaric yet?

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sin Bad]
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Yes, but only a few buttons so far.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: badasstommyd]
    #1950600 -

I went hunting on tuesday (on pastures), didnt see a single mushroom of any type. I think the weekend is when it will start, as this week its gotten cold. its going to rain on friday, so prehaps ill go on sunday.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: JimBoB]
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Intensive hunting today over meadows, lawns, woodland, bogs, and woodchip beds yielded JUST ONE species of mushroom, a very uninteresting Collybia, in the bog. At this time of year all these places are usually resplendent with shrooms of varied colour, shape, size, and the like, not to mention magic.
I am quite depressed.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: pluteus]
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I went today, didnt find a single mushroom either - the ground was far too dry. I think some serious rain is needed, more than just a days worth.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MetaShroom]
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I was walking home from work yesterday when I spied what I thought was a liberty cap, poking up from behind a wooden post.

On closer inspection it was a tiny dandelion stalk.

I was so pissed off that I stamped the shit out of it.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Englander]
    #1956972 -

yeah, small snails and lime tree seed pods play that trick quite often.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MetaShroom]
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Mr. Englander,

It is not nice to kill plants of beauty, especially one which cannot defend itself against someone who smashes it out of anger for not getting his way.

I sure would never want to go picking with you if that is a sign of your personality.

mj

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: mjshroomer]
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a dandelion grew in meadow field
and bowed its head from all concealed
so modest yet so comely

by chance a shephard-maid did pass
with step so light she trod the grass
so gay! so gay!
and all the while sang her song:
La la la, la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la.

Ach! Thought the dandelion:
But had I the power
to match the first in nature's bower
and not so homely -
then to gather she then might care
and lay me on her bosom fair
ah me! ah me!
if not for very long.

Yet, sad to say, but true indeed
the careless maiden paid no heed
and crushed the tender violet!

It sank to earth, and there did sigh:
I still am glad!
Though death be nigh -
'tis well! 'tis well!
for at her feet
I die.

Ah, tender dandelion
so modest yet so comely.

- Goethe (adapt. a very stoned pluteus)

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
    #1957212 -

I found some P semilanceata on the Derbyshire moors today !  :laugh:

I only managed to find about 30 or 40 and most were severely withered but was given a couple of nice big fresh specimens to clone by this girl who'd driven all the way from Nottingham to come picking !

If your reading this now Nikzi thanks babe, it was great meeting you  and I might see you next week !  :smile: 


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: mjshroomer]
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mjshroomer said:
Mr. Englander,

It is not nice to kill plants of beauty, especially one which cannot defend itself against someone who smashes it out of anger for not getting his way.

I sure would never want to go picking with you if that is a sign of your personality.

mj


I think it was dead anyway...

Besides, I kill hundreds of mushrooms every year!


However, I see your point and humbly accept that I was wrong.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Englander]
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A thorough search of my favourite spots in Shropshire last friday in (26th sept) revealed very little. I found 9 tiny liberty caps, after about 1 hour hunting. Normally I would find several hundred at this time and location. Still a lot more rain needed. I probably won't bother looking again until mid october.

However, I did manage to find 35 good condition fly agaric specimens, (there were more, but alot of them were quite skanky), so my hunt wasn't completely in vain.

Sinbad

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sin Bad]
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Went to my spot yesterday morning, found about 50 specimens yesterday
of P. Semilanceata very good condition.
A lot of immatures up there, which was comforting...
Wasn't expecting to find anything so I was pleasantly suprised, hope to find more next sunday....

I cant wait....

P.S Start looking ppl


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: st0nedphucker]
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Think i'm gonna start looking this weekend too.
Remember hot summer should mean good mycelium growth which should equal better pickings when it rains...and it will rain that one thing you can always be sure of here right? :wink:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
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Roger,

I was under the impression, that the situation with mycelium growth is the opposite to what you're saying. I thought that a wet summer leads to better mycelium growth, whereas a hot dry summer would hinder mycelium growth. Have I been wrong all these years?

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
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2 hours wandering round Preston Cemetery today gave me about 70 liberty caps, 2 big fly agarics, and loads of other stuff that I'm trying to identify now.

Anyone else had any joy in Lancashire yet?

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sin Bad]
    #1965418 -

Well when cultivating cubes, the temperature for mycelium growth effects it alot, at 86f the temperature is ideal for cubes. so I suppose this is the case for libs too

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Mr_THC]
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A warm summer with lots of rain gives the best situation for vegetative growth.
Extremely high temperatures would inhibit growth, but I do not know if these limits have been established for liberty caps. Perhaps we have reached them this summer.
Lack of rain inhibits growth. So this summer was quite bad really.
The productivity of autumn fruiting may however not be entirely dependent on the extent of vegetative growth during the summer. Previously established large colonies may be able to produce similar levels of fruiting to previous seasons if food in the soil has been replenished, and rain during the season is plentiful.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: pluteus]
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Well i thought i would check back in and let you lot know we have had about 1 burst of rain for about 10 minutes this week. Thats it in september!

I am hoping october will be a better month


How is everyone else in the UK doing?

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: dazzyboi]
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I'm in one of the driest parts of the country, and the ground is dusty dry atm. :sad: however there is rain forcast for the next two days.  :smile2:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: dazzyboi]
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ive found some near some horse fileds... near where theres been buil ups of horse poo just poking in throug the grass... then alot of other weird mushrooms growing outta the horse poo im not even sure wat they r and i got no decent camera to take a pic with, i guess i dunno wat to do wi them

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Flare]
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Im going to check the forcast, not looking good tho, we've been getting red sky's at night and no clouds so its not looking good on the hunting front.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: dazzyboi]
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Didn't see any lib growth untill mid to late october last year and then the fields exploded with growth, itv wasn't the driest of summers either.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
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I found libs mid August last year in the Peak district. They always seem to come up earlier up here  :smile: 


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Bi0TeK]
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Gonna go a'hunting on Saturday morning. Hopefully I'll have a nice big stash that I can sell to primary school kids on monday morning!


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sorceroom]
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Sorceroom,

That's the kind of insane announcement that gets boards shut down. Be it a joke or not.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Xenophobic]
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That's sad :frown: I won't do it again :smile:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sorceroom]
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just looked at the long range forecast :smile2:

Saturday 11 October to Friday 17 October

This looks like being quite a wet week overall, with low pressure firmly in control. At this stage it is rather difficult to assess quite where the low pressure will be centred, but if it is out to the west, southerly winds will make it feel much milder than the previous week.

It looks like a cloudy week for most places with periods of rain. The heaviest rain is most likely early in the week, easing a little as the week goes by to give some brighter and even sunny spells.

Saturday 18 October to Friday 24 October

During this week the low pressure is expected to slip to the south of Ireland, thereby pulling in southeasterly winds across much of the country.

It still looks like being a miserable cloudy weekend with further periods of rain, which will move up from the south to cross virtually all of the country  :lol:  :lol:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MetaShroom]
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My parents live in Lincolnshire and have a very productive maj mush (libs) field right next door! Lake at edge of field, populated by cattle through the summer. I picked 600 mush in about 2 hours last season. I use that field as a barometer to go out hunting nearer home. I picked on November 11th last year and can report that their field is empty so far this year.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: gwum]
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Thanks, that's helpful (the weather report and the field observations).

I am pondering going "out" this saturday and getting a random train northwards to the nearest fieldy looking place (basically I don't have a clue), but maybe next sat will be more hopeful...

When I can drive this will be so much easier...

Anyone from hampshire (or nearby) willing to recommend a date (weekend) and area (NOT asking for specific location, just something like the new forest or around Andover etc.)??

Some people at my friend's college have had luck finding libs it seems, trading them for large amounts of skunk, but apparently it was only 50-100 or so and they were very withered/small...

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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I drove to a spot in hampshire that has produced for the last 4
years, and there was nothing evident there today, not even other
grass species, so we still need a bit more rain down here.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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When I was a kid, I used to walk for miles searching for productive fields. As soon as I could drive I found it more difficult to go searching, because you have to find somewhere to leave the car which is not always easy.

I've recently got back into the world of mush and intend to get a digi camera to take some shots of the conditions I find them growing in. I've been pretty amazed as it was always long grass, but my parents field is like a putting green and they're all over the place!

The one common denominator with all my sites though, is cattle or horses. Not saying it's the norm, just my observation.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: gwum]
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The ground is still dry here, it?s all dusty and lots of the grass is still yellow  :sad:

I just check the forcast for the next few days, it was going to rain on Tuesday but they cancelled it again  :nut:

I blame global warming  :mad2:

 

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MetaShroom]
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Shocking isn't it. Mid October and hardly a drop of rain and days when I was sweating on t-shirt and jeans after a walk uphill.

Went hunting on saturday for first time and found a lot of liberty cap look-a-likes (well they looked like them at the time at least... :lol:), and A. Muscaria which has left me wondering what to do with it.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MetaShroom]
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Actually global warming is just a hypothesis - you can never make a model that is precise or accurate enough to our complicated world to make studies and suppositions on the base of it.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: T0aD]
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It might be a hypothesis according to Bush, but in Europe over the last 15 years it's quickly become a reality.


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fuck Bu$h  :mad: :thumbdown: :razz:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: T0aD]
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Ok everyone in the UK do a rain dance.

No really

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Oook]
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I've been rain dancin' since late september and I'm getting tired.

Maybe we should make a political party which has "Installing sprinkler systems on every field" in it's manifesto so this never happens again.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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Who says England's nothing but rain and fog, I wish :frown:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Xenophobic]
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Right, I've hacked into the BBC's system and altered their budget. All money which was going to go on new Reality TV shows (?5bn)will now pay for an advanced sprinkler system throughout the country :smile:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sorceroom]
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Haha, I hope you placed "Attach 1,000,000 tug boats to the coast of Cornwall and pull the UK 12,000 miles south west just off the coast of Mexico" to the budget list too :smile:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Xenophobic]
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Actually, I was thinking, do you think if we got enough people to sign a piece of paper we could get Holland to purchase some land in England and therefore make it legal to smoke weed there?

I'd love to see Dutch parks in england...just flash your passport and you're in, coffee shops and all.

Probably a few legal technicalities to get through.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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Not to mention all the English soldiers who died over the years stopping them from doing just that, well not buying it but taking it.

Plus wouldn't it be better if we purchased some a their land.  Oh yeah, like you said... Probably a few legal technicalities to get through :smile:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Xenophobic]
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Well I'd rather have dutch "drug" (I know bad ideas come up straight away at the word drug but it'll do) culture come to me than me have to go there...

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
    #2008176 -

It's a matter of principles I suppose.

Anyway isn't this a hyperthetical discussion? lmao


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Xenophobic]
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Well, yeh. But you never know.

Well, in any case, I'd rather be invaded by Holland than, let's say, America (although obviously there are far worse, like the Isle of Wight. Imagine being invaded by that hell hole...oh, wait...)

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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lmgdfao @ Isle of Wight


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Xenophobic]
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wayhey! the forcast for next friday isnt 'a risk of showers' or any crap like that, its actually 'rain'  :tongue2:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MetaShroom]
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about time hu :thumbup:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Paid]
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Too little too late??

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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Nah I've found them in plenty after heavy frosts in Novemeber.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MetaShroom]
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keep posting, lets get 100!  wowowohoahoahodhaohdoah!!!!!  :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

:grin: :wtf:

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MagmaManiac]
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snow? wtf!? i bet it doesnt rain all week and this forecast is completely wrong. :rolleyes:



 


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Xenophobic]
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Xenophobic said:
Haha, I hope you placed "Attach 1,000,000 tug boats to the coast of Cornwall and pull the UK 12,000 miles south west just off the coast of Mexico" to the budget list too :smile: 


:lol: Naa. Tony Blair has been planning that for a while anyway 


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MetaShroom]
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Well, just looked out my window...no rain.

So so far that forecast is wrong. Well done UKers for keeping this post going for so long while staying vaguely on topic :laugh:

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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I have only found minimal caps round yorkshiredales area...getting off your arse to go shroom hunting, only to be going home with a few measly shrooms after hours of trekking is a real ball ache!.

I have a friend up in Edinburgh area and he has been picking shrooms for the past few weeks.....one day I think he told me he had found 200 in 2 hours or so. I think all us English should plan a short stay up in scotland one weekend :wink:.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Zed]
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Michael Fish just said the further east you are, the more wet and miserable it's likely to be this week :lol:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Zed]
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I have only found minimal caps round yorkshiredales area



I live in Yorkshire and picked about 300 P. semilanceata in a couple of hours last thursday at one of my secret locations in the Peak District.

(*Hint* It's somewhere in between surprise view and Grindleford :wink:) 


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Bi0TeK]
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Could someone please tell me what I am doing wrong? I have spent hours searching fields and parks around my area without finding a single shroom, I am new to mushroom picking and have only vague ideas of where to look, I have read several FAQ's but none have been any help. I am in London, Barnet and there aren't many places that I know of to look in, the places that I have looked in didn't give any shrooms. I searched in fields with horse manure, river banks, bases of trees, long lush green grass and have still found nothing. I know that we have had a hot summer so I don't expect great results, just a couple of caps to let me know that there is still hope. Can anyone give me any tips or nearby places to look, or at least what I am doing wrong. Thanks alot. Charlie.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Purple_Spirals]
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You need to find the right habitat.

Moorland + sheep = good ! :thumbup: 


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Bi0TeK]
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OK thanks. Now all I need to do is find some decent moorland in London, Barnet....:oogle: Any tips/ideas? Or tell me any locations you know of nearby. Any help appreciated  :ooo:
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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Purple_Spirals]
    #2053333 -

Its also been much dryer in and around london, but thats
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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Purple_Spirals]
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You're not doing anything wrong, the season has just got off to a poor start. Libs grow in a wide variety of places, you are just as likely to find them on long-grassed sheep infested welsh mountains as in regularly mown shit-free parks and gardens. 

Having said that they don't grow everywhere. I spent years looking round a particulary town in the west country and didnt find a single one. I guess it must have been the soil type. If you dont have any luck in one place try somehwere else 


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MetaShroom]
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:wink:ok, so basically just check the board and wait until sightings are reported, then go out lookin. And I should just stick to the long unmowed grass that aint burnt brown by the sun. Cheers guys.

Also, anyone who knows any locations in London they would not mind sharing with me, please post, PM or email me at [Email]Amor_E_Morte@msn.com.[/Email] thx.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sorceroom]
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Hi
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Xenophobic said:
Haha, I hope you placed "Attach 1,000,000 tug boats to the coast of Cornwall and pull the UK 12,000 miles south west just off the coast of Mexico" to the budget list too


It is only about 1600.00 miles from new york to uk. and then lest than 2400 miles from New york to Florida. so I cannot see it is 12,000 mikes from UK to Mexico. SOmeone is off on his math.

mj

Could it be me or Xenophobic. Anyone care to comment on the distance between two points?



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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: mjshroomer]
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looks to me like another case of clashing between american and english humour. anyone can tell he was just using a figure of speech mjshroomer why are you so sarcy? you are rude

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: George_UK]
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does it matter? anyways, back on topic... Got up at six, looked all around, found fuck all... *sigh* :sad:


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MetaShroom]
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MetaShroom said:
Libs grow in a wide variety of places, you are just as likely to find them on long-grassed sheep infested welsh mountains as in regularly mown shit-free parks and gardens.



In all my 15 years of picking I've not once found P. semilanceata in parks or gardens. I've picked in Somerset, the black mountains in Wales and all over Derbyshire and the Peak District and without exception all the fields had sheep in them.



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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Bi0TeK]
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i can't ever recall finding any where there wasn't any kinda animal excrement,mainly sheep as the above posted but i have found em in fields containing specifically horses,maybe sheep were kept their previously?

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: mickymoo]
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They can grow were any grazer has grazed, sheep, deer, cows, horses,
and even rabbits. They can show up in manured lawns and bowling greens ext. I'm off to north wales for the weekend, so wish  me
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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Paid]
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With regards to finding libertycaps, although in my experience they are found in greater quantites on animal grazed grassland, I have found them on football pitches, which I doubt have any major animal grazing on them, save the odd rabbit.

I found about 100 libertycaps about 2 years ago, on football pitches just outside of Newcastle.

So there is hope for the city hunters.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sin Bad]
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what, on mowed grass? I thought that they only grew in the thick, lush green grass. I need one of them ?8 manual thingies.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Purple_Spirals]
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Yup.. they were growing right on the sides of the pitches where the grass was slightly longer, but still had been mown fairly recently, and also around the cricket pitch. Apparently golf courses are worth checking too.

What's the ?8 manual?

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sin Bad]
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its a thin manual for sale in camden town, probably amazon etc aswell, which lists the mushrooms in the UK, what they look like, where they are commenly found, it's not great.... but it may be necessary.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Purple_Spirals]
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In all my time hunting I have only ever found 1 single libby in a livestock field. Mostly I find them on golf courses and in short mown grass where no manure is used.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MetaShroom]
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Oh.. "the guide to british psilocybin mushrooms".. yes I have that book.. it's a little dated, but still worth having. Paul Stamets book on psilocybin mushrooms around of the world is a must too.

Finally the rains have come, so I'm going for one last hunt this weekend. Will post results next week.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sin Bad]
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There are lots of parameters that define a good site. I know one field with horses in it, which is prolific whereas the field right next door has sheep in it and I've never found a single lib there.

I've got a theory that smaller sheep and cow fields are looked after by farmers and therefore could have been used for all sorts of things over the years (crops, fertilisers, pesticides etc), while fields with horses in tend to be rented by the general public and the soil does not get any sort of treatment. On the rolling hills etc the sheep roam free and the soil is unlikely to have had crops or other stuff in it so those areas are also prolific.

When it comes to football pitches and golf courses, who knows where the top soil came from.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: gwum]
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that theory makes good sense...but why isnt a single mushroom growing in a huge unmowed field full of horses near me... i'll have to check again now the rain has come, but when the frost comes, the mushrooms don't grow, right? so that means that if we have any intentions of finding any, we best get looking soon... but we have and still havent found much, so surely that means that they will come later?....either that or they just don't grow in large quantities near me...shit. this is gna end up with a long drive to wales.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Purple_Spirals]
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Liberty Caps will still appear after several frosts, but the numbers will dimish as it gets colder.

I think that we won't see much of a crop this year, as the fruiting conditions just haven't been conducive.. ie far to hot and dry, and then cold and dry and now its only just started to rain. We may get a short season now that the rains have come, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sin Bad]
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the rain is indeed here, it has rained here every day for the past 4 days. I think I might have a look on the weekend :smile: 

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: JimBoB]
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yes the next few weeks are looking good


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: MetaShroom]
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Went on a big search today in Kent. I'm trying to find some new haunts as my old ones are proving poor at the moment.

Found patches of different non-active species in fields occupied by sheep and cattle. All very small and hardly reaching above the short grass.

I found one solitary lib on a school football pitch but after another 20 mins searching found no more. I didn't manage to get out after last weekends rains. Conditions still seemed perfect today with a little drizzle but still zilcho.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: gwum]
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Hello, nnewbie and general 'shroom novice here...I've only ever eaten 'shrooms that i've bought from a store, so I decided to try my luck at hunting.

I went searching for the first time in East Sussex yesterday just before it got dark. I found in one field what appear to be Liberty Caps but i'm unsure due to the very small size of some of them.

They were growing in a relatively small field with average/longish grass that was being grazed by sheep (who were now grazing at the other end), in the most damp part that was being slightly sheltered by some trees in the next field. Also some had been covered by leaves that had fallen from the trees, and others were turning quite dark grey in colour.

It hasn't crossed my mind to try and eat them or anything yet until I am as close to positive as possible as to what species they are - i'll try and post a photo when I get some new batteries for my digital camera.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: JollyRoger]
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Actually made it to the field near my parents in Lincolnshire that I mentioned in an earlier posting. The field in question is about 5 acres, but only 1/2 an acre of it supports libs.

It rained on the Friday I travelled up and found 200 on the Saturday in an hour and 600 on the Sunday in the same time. I have taken some photographs and aim to post them once digitised. Came across a couple of variants with much thicker stems as well as Mycena, Conocybe and Panaeolus tricksters. I walked back through the field an hour later and new pins were already coming up in areas I'd previously searched.

I also have photos of three surrounding fields with no active species. When you look at the grass types, you can clearly see the difference. Took some soil samples for PH analysis too.

Will drop the photos soon I hope. The Season is defo not over and I aim to resume my hunt in Kent this week.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: gwum]
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I found a few down south this weekend
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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Paid]
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My soil Sample registered a PH of 4/5 i.e. very acid.

A sample from a neighbouring field registered the same (but no mush).

I took some photos of lib fairy rings and hope to post these soon. I think the variants I found might be Strictipes as they did not have much of an umbo and had much thicker stems. It was the thickness of the stems as I nipped them that alerted me to them being different to normal libs.

Going by the number of pins I saw and the fact that only last week the area was reported as empty, I'd say the season has only just begun (in Lincolnshire at least). I hope that's the case, cos I'm still hoping that I'll be able to find some closer to home this week end.

How is everyone else doing in England?


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: gwum]
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I've been out a couple of times.

During lunchtime at college last friday we were out on the common for a smoke and I noticed mushrooms were EVERYWHERE, very big evil looking amanitas (the white ones, didn't touch them), and a lot of small mushrooms.

I thought some were liberty caps at first but the gills were too white and they were just wrong...

Then at my friends house, we checked the cricket pitch near his house saturday morning and there were LOADS of the same tiny lookalike mushroom. No sign of liberty caps though... might go on a proper look next weekend.

Any luck with those lib rings, gwum?

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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Quote:
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I thought some were liberty caps at first but the gills were too white and they were just wrong...

Then at my friends house, we checked the cricket pitch near his house saturday morning and there were LOADS of the same tiny lookalike mushroom.



Sounds like mycenas to me.

I was out in the Peak District again today and got about 500 or so Libs, big buggers as well !  :grin:

Found quite a few on Thursday too  :evil:

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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I went out in Kent yesterday and searched in sheep fields, cow fields, a school playing field and a cricket pitch and found all manner of shaggy ink caps, mycenas, common ink caps and pans, but not a single lib.

Soil type definitely more clay than peaty soil though, apart from footy pitch, which had better top soil on it.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: gwum]
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Went for a hunt last weekend (21st/22nd Nov), and it is was the best harvest so far. About 2000 libs picked in 4 hours. Some huge ones too (4cm in diameter) I really noticed that there are so many variations when it come to the liberty cap, I really wished I'd had a camera with me.

I went hunting on the sunday mornining and picked about 100 frozen liberty caps. I predict that the season will continue well into december.

Happy hunting.

I really want to find some cyanescens though. So far, no good.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Sin Bad]
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Hello everybody, I'm newly registered here, but I've been following the threads for some time, as you do. I'd just like to add my recent hunting experiences.

Last year was the first time I started looking in earnest, and I was amazed by how many were growing in South Wales from mid October until mid November. Over the course of four trips, I picked about 1000 psilocybe semilanceata (I think, but see later) on a well-known hill to the north of Cardiff.

This year, the first ones I found were on Oct 1, quite high up in the Lake District. Picked about 150, all in good condition, and could have picked lots more.

Since then, I've been concentrating on South Wales, specifically the hill north of Cardiff. I went up three times in October, and found nothing. It was exceptionally dry. On Nov 7 I picked 100, although the ground was still quite dry. Nov 23 again about 100. Nov 26, after low temperatures, rain and hail, practically nothing. Each time when I was successful, the mushrooms were restricted to a small part of the mountain, rather than being all over it as they were last year.

Today, Nov 27, on a hill in the Newport area, I found about 50, some quite large (cap about 2.5cm, stem about 7cm) and in good condition. The ground was very wet (we've had heavy rain on and off for the last three days), and standing water was frozen over.

I'm surprised by Sin Bad's haul, and that of BiOTeK in the Peak District. It seems to be a very different story up north compared to down here in Wales.

On the subject of identification (and I apologise if this is slightly off thread), I'm somewhat confused by the photos on this site. I had always assumed that what I was picking was psilocybe semilanceata (Liberty Cap), since I understand it's the most common in the British Isles, and everything I've got has been almost identical to those at www.island.org/prescience/p4/semilanceata.htm. I ate a lot last year, and into this year, and they certainly hit the spot. But the photos on this site http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23488 of semilanceata show much darker, browner, more slimy fungi, whereas the ones that actually look like what I pick are identified as panaeolus castaneifolius. Obviously there is going to be some variation depending on growing environment, and this site is American-based, but even so it seems a bit confusing. I often see mushrooms like those identified as castaneifolius, growing right next to semilanceatae, and have been unsure whether they were a separate species, or just mankier, wetter, more decayed semilanceatae.

Anyway, good hunting everybody.

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: AndyJ]
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Here are the lib pictures I mentioned in an earlier posting.



Three older specimens, with three younger brothers.



A plate of around 200, air drying.



One of the rings I mentioned. If you sit back from the image, you'll notice a figure of 8 shape of lusher grass, which the libs are situated on.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: gwum]
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Here are a few more pictures from the same hunt:



This was a nice little group. One minute to get enough for one!



Here you can see some youngsters as well as a couple of older libs.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: gwum]
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The trouble with a late season is the late sunrise (or..if you wish to avoid being hit in the head by a golf-ball don't be out on the golf course at "tee-off").
I asked permission actually which I feel should be done more often by more of us.One farmer near me has virtually barricaded his place BECAUSE people used to break down his fences (and were probably more hostile and "lippy" than was good for them).
Golf courses however would "play fairer" if the frisbee player were to roam it,say 3 days a week frisbee golf 3 days a week conventional golf and 1 day a week for walkers and nature.Be nice!


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Silverwolf]
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I remmber a horse field of about 1 acre, where after college there would sometimes 10 mush hunters in there. Fences were down, the horse was spooked, there was litter being dropped and people were just pulling all the libs up by the roots.

Net result was a visit by the cops and a massive drop in libs over the next couple of years until the field stopped producing.

Nature gives us libs, so let's be kind and respectful to nature in return.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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Hi, Being new to this forum, and mushroom identification, I need to ask for a heads up and some tips to find the link illusive liberty cap.

I live in northwest england, the weather here has been pretty grim raining for literally a week, with some break throughs of sunshine. its warm not to cold.

I am surrounded by fields of green long grass, bowling greens, golf courses and the likes etc, but not much cattle (for fertile turds).

I am aware that the usual lib season, is usually in autumn around end of august, September October and November, but due to the conditions of the weather here is it possible that libs will start popping through with all this rain and dampness?


As youve probably gathered I dont fully know what am talking about and really i cant be arsed waiting till autumn, though i have seen posts and heard of people talking about if your lucky you could get them in july.

Would someone with the knowledge please supply me with some in depth results for my question and list the PERFECT weather conditions, time of year and etc etc, so ill finish off by asking if someone can make my quest for the little french helmets a little easier and equip me with the sufficient tactics.

I Thank you all in advance!

Peace out. TheFatGnome

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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: The_Fat_Gnome]
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The_Fat_Gnome said:
Hi, Being new to this forum, and mushroom identification, I need to ask for a heads up and some tips to find the link illusive liberty cap.


You are posting in a thread that is eight years old.

All of your questions have already been asked and answered probably
thousands of times on this forum - so your best bet is to work the
search function, and you will find all you're looking for.

To start you off, here is a link to the official thread for last year's UK season:

LINK

Have a good read!


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Anglerfish]
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ha, yeah i just realised that. am not a forum user to be honest so am not on the ball with it. cheers for the link.


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Re: Liberty caps in england... [Re: Ajoc]
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I have some I think.

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