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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19097156 - 11/06/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My pay is irrelevant.  Stop trying to change the subject.  So you admit that your subcontractors could be (i.e. are) hiring illegal immigrants for cheaper pay and no benifits?  Just like Mitt?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19097170 - 11/06/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've got a better idea, why don't the wealthy like zappa acknowledge that they were made wealthy by the capitalist system in place in the United States and pay their fair share of taxes?




Fair?  Is it fair that I pay $100,000 and you pay nothing?  I made my money providing a service that other people willingly paid for.  How do you make your money?




So you're saying that you make roughly $400k a year (this is a conservative guess, since you say 50% of your "wealth" is "confiscated")?  That puts you in the top 5% of earners, what are you so butthurt about?  Maybe you should think of the government policies that made you wealthy.




The family does, yes.  Government policies have not made us wealthy.  Government policies have been a net drag.  For instance if we hadn't been taxed into oblivion we could have bought several rental properties but because we had to pay for the bums that money was not available for investments.  Now tell me again why I should be responsible for buying you or anybody else anything you didn't work for.  I can accept a reasonable societal responsibility for caring for the feeble and infirm.  Which are you?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19097184 - 11/06/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My pay is irrelevant.  Stop trying to change the subject.  So you admit that your subcontractors could be (i.e. are) hiring illegal immigrants for cheaper pay and no benifits?  Just like Mitt?




But they aren't cheaper.  Benefits?  I don't pay anybody benefits.  Never did.  I paid money.  What they did it with it was their business.  It's called CHOICE.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19097198 - 11/06/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Government policies have not made us wealthy




So the construction bubble didn't make you wealthy?

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Government policies have been a net drag.




Obviously not, as you claim to be extremely wealthy.

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For instance if we hadn't been taxed into oblivion we could have bought several rental properties but because we had to pay for the bums that money was not available for investments.




What?

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Now tell me again why I should be responsible for buying you or anybody else anything you didn't work for.




You're not responsible for me at all.  Quit with the strawman arguments.

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I can accept a reasonable societal responsibility for caring for the feeble and infirm.




Apparently you can't.

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Which are you?




Once again, irrelevant to the discussion, as I'm not drawing off of any public funds, and have paid Federal and State taxes (along with SS, Medicare, and Medicaid) since I have had a job at 16 (I didn't have to pay taxes on my umpire job from 13-16, as it was an independent contractor position, and only made $1000 or so a year).


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19097203 - 11/06/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My pay is irrelevant.  Stop trying to change the subject.  So you admit that your subcontractors could be (i.e. are) hiring illegal immigrants for cheaper pay and no benifits?  Just like Mitt?




But they aren't cheaper.  Benefits?  I don't pay anybody benefits.  Never did.  I paid money.  What they did it with it was their business.  It's called CHOICE.





Ah, so you didn't give people in a dangerous profession any sort of health insurance benefits?  Man, you sound like a QUALITY employer (not).  No wonder you got so wealthy, fucking the workers over while you raked in profit.  Zappa's favorite type of capitalism (fuck the little man, gimme money).


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19097245 - 11/06/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Government policies have not made us wealthy




So the construction bubble didn't make you wealthy?




Not at all.  I've been through three cycles of up and down.
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Government policies have been a net drag.




Obviously not, as you claim to be extremely wealthy.




I don't claim to be extremely wealthy
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For instance if we hadn't been taxed into oblivion we could have bought several rental properties but because we had to pay for the bums that money was not available for investments.




What?




Yes.  If we had not been taxed into oblivion we would own much more real estate.
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Now tell me again why I should be responsible for buying you or anybody else anything you didn't work for.




You're not responsible for me at all.  Quit with the strawman arguments.




If not you than why anybody?
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I can accept a reasonable societal responsibility for caring for the feeble and infirm.




Apparently you can't.




Surfer dude on lobster stamps and Obamaphone lady can go fuck themselves.  Neither are feeble or infirm. 
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Which are you?




Once again, irrelevant to the discussion, as I'm not drawing off of any public funds, and have paid Federal and State taxes (along with SS, Medicare, and Medicaid) since I have had a job at 16 (I didn't have to pay taxes on my umpire job from 13-16, as it was an independent contractor position, and only made $1000 or so a year).




How much did you pay last year?  My guess is it isn't shit.  You are quite cavalier with giving away other people's money.  I got a better idea.  Give your own away.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19097293 - 11/06/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My pay is irrelevant.  Stop trying to change the subject.  So you admit that your subcontractors could be (i.e. are) hiring illegal immigrants for cheaper pay and no benifits?  Just like Mitt?




But they aren't cheaper.  Benefits?  I don't pay anybody benefits.  Never did.  I paid money.  What they did it with it was their business.  It's called CHOICE.





Ah, so you didn't give people in a dangerous profession any sort of health insurance benefits?



:facepalm:Workmen's compensation covers workplace accidents.  I pay roughly 15% of payroll for that for what I do.  That isn't health insurance or a benefit.  You don't know anything about the real world, do you?
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Man, you sound like a QUALITY employer (not).  No wonder you got so wealthy, fucking the workers over while you raked in profit.  Zappa's favorite type of capitalism (fuck the little man, gimme money).




I pay the people who work for me a competitive wage and enforce job safety.  If they want to use their paycheck to buy insurance they can.  If they don't they don't have to.  I'm not a fascist forcing people to buy something they might not think is in their best interests.  It isn't for me to decide what is good for them.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19097375 - 11/06/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Not at all.  I've been through three cycles of up and down.




So you admit that it is the business cycle and not government that determined your wealth?

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I don't claim to be extremely wealthy




You don't need to.  It is apparent with your vitriol towards the "bums."

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Yes.  If we had not been taxed into oblivion we would own much more real estate.




Well, when you think about it, if you would have been taxed less, then other people in your income range would have been taxed less, and therefore there is no guarantee that you could have ever been able to afford more real estate.

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Surfer dude on lobster stamps and Obamaphone lady can go fuck themselves.  Neither are feeble or infirm. 




There is no such thing as an "Obamaphone"

If there is fraud in the food stamp program, then figure out how to curtail it instead of destroying the program for people who legitimately need it.  Why don't you "conservatives" understand this principle? 

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How much did you pay last year?  My guess is it isn't shit.  You are quite cavalier with giving away other people's money.  I got a better idea.  Give your own away.




Why does it matter how much I paid? 

Since it is such an important issue to you, as a full time college student working nearly full time, I paid about $2700 in Federal Income taxes after refund, and about $1200 in state income taxes, after refund.  I made roughly $19,000 or so last year, which is roughly 14% Federal Income tax rate, and a 6.3%  State Income tax rate, plus Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.

So, I'm not one of those 0% bums you talk about, so stop fucking saying I am.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19097402 - 11/06/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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:facepalm:Workmen's compensation covers workplace accidents.  I pay roughly 15% of payroll for that for what I do.  That isn't health insurance or a benefit.  You don't know anything about the real world, do you?




I'm sure a lot of your undocumented workers are eager to step up and claim workman's comp :facepalm:


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19097637 - 11/06/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well, food stamp enrollment has increased about 70% from 2009 until present--(32 million Teatbaggers then, 48 Teatbaggers now)  would you agree with those numbers?  And, since so many more people are on food stamps, its imperative not to really cut too much--people will suffer.  I can agree to some extent with that logic.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19097767 - 11/06/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't deny the numbers.  But, what do you think the cause of the rise in numbers actually is?  Let's hear you say it was the awful Bush admin and maybe I'll believe your "both sides suck" argument :smirk:


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19097788 - 11/06/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would say the first third of the increase was the recession, which was well helped along by Bush.  One third is both Congress--both sides--for getting us into the mess.  1/3 is Obama for not having the leadership or the plan to get us out of the mess, and expanding the program.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: EddYerb]
    #19098613 - 11/07/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I reckon you should definitely have to work for the state if your claiming benefits. Doesn't seem like a bad idea at all to me - gives people structure, routine and experience. IT is true, you can't get by in life by not working, unless you are disabled but even then depending on the disability there will be jobs some people can do. :thumbup:




If you should work for the state for claiming benefits, then maybe the state should stop spending tax money gambling on the stock market. I dont care if investments are always a gamble, investing on the public stock exchange is a blind risk.

Has everyone in the thread moved to the idea that food stamps and welfare checks are the same thing? Dont forget, the quality of life in this country is because we dont allow things like poverty to exist. Can you imagine if food stamps didnt exist?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19099599 - 11/07/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Not at all.  I've been through three cycles of up and down.




So you admit that it is the business cycle and not government that determined your wealth?




:rofl2:Sometimes it's up and sometimes it's down and if you are around long enough it evens out.  My wealth comes from working.  Period.  The government has taken quite a bit of my wealth.
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I don't claim to be extremely wealthy




You don't need to.  It is apparent with your vitriol towards the "bums."




You don't have to be extremely wealthy to loathe bums
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Yes.  If we had not been taxed into oblivion we would own much more real estate.




Well, when you think about it, if you would have been taxed less, then other people in your income range would have been taxed less, and therefore there is no guarantee that you could have ever been able to afford more real estate.




:rofl2:More bizarre illogic.  Most people don't invst in real estate
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Surfer dude on lobster stamps and Obamaphone lady can go fuck themselves.  Neither are feeble or infirm. 




There is no such thing as an "Obamaphone"

If there is fraud in the food stamp program, then figure out how to curtail it instead of destroying the program for people who legitimately need it.  Why don't you "conservatives" understand this principle?




Those two examples aren't committing fraud.  They are following the law.  The law sucks.  Which is not to say that they aren't parasitic bloodsucking bums themselves
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How much did you pay last year?  My guess is it isn't shit.  You are quite cavalier with giving away other people's money.  I got a better idea.  Give your own away.




Why does it matter how much I paid?




Becauuse you seem to be pretty cavalier about giving away other people's money and I was just curious about what pittance of it was yours.
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Since it is such an important issue to you, as a full time college student working nearly full time, I paid about $2700 in Federal Income taxes after refund, and about $1200 in state income taxes, after refund.  I made roughly $19,000 or so last year, which is roughly 14% Federal Income tax rate, and a 6.3%  State Income tax rate, plus Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.

So, I'm not one of those 0% bums you talk about, so stop fucking saying I am.




You are not carrying your weight.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19099610 - 11/07/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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:facepalm:Workmen's compensation covers workplace accidents.  I pay roughly 15% of payroll for that for what I do.  That isn't health insurance or a benefit.  You don't know anything about the real world, do you?




I'm sure a lot of your undocumented workers are eager to step up and claim workman's comp :facepalm:




I don't have any illegal workers and workmen's comp isn't for the protection of the employee.  It is to protect the employer from getting sued.  The illegals
are actually in a position to sue both the employer and the homeowner.  Is there anything that you do know about the real world?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19101663 - 11/07/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Food stamps cost the average tax payer more then welfare; but, Corporate subsidies cost more then the two combined multiplied tenfold. People need to stop blaming the poor, and start blaming the government and the corporations they represent for their high taxes.

I'm sure we can all agree that some people abuse government assistance, but the MAJORITY of people actually do rely on those programs for the well being of their family, and plenty of people stop receiving  assistance when they're in a better part of their life.

Those among you who want to turn this country into some third world shit hole, by ending these programs completely, have absolutely no humanity. They would rather have kids starve then pay the slightest amount of their paycheck to help those in need. They even have the audacity to claim that these programs impede on their freedoms, they bitch and moan as of they're living in North Korea.
To those among you reading this, you are the ignorant trash of this country. You can bet that if your fringe political groups do manage to have these programs ended; there will be nothing left for the poor to eat but the rich.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
    #19101845 - 11/07/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Food stamps cost the average tax payer more then welfare; but, Corporate subsidies cost more then the two combined multiplied tenfold.



Cite a source for this claim.  I'm sure you pulled this out of your ass.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Enlil]
    #19101944 - 11/07/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
    #19101961 - 11/07/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

First, your source doesn't support your claim. Second, your source includes things that are clearly not subsidies.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Enlil]
    #19101983 - 11/07/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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First, your source doesn't support your claim. Second, your source includes things that are clearly not subsidies.




Sounds like you pulled that out of your ass.


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