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The Government is losing the war on weed
    #19097261 - 11/06/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



They may as well call quits on the war on weed at this point.     

Seems that more states are legalizing it slowly but surely.

There doesn't seem to be as much of a fight from the Government about it anymore either. I think they realize they pretty much lost on the issue now that most people are for legalizing.



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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: skatealex2]
    #19097266 - 11/06/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The war on weed is over in my home state :aweohyou: :goodluck: :jah:


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Magicman69] * 4
    #19097283 - 11/06/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The government lost the war on weed in 1937


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: skatealex2]
    #19097301 - 11/06/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Lol I don't understand this? So if you have a town of like 38 people you can legalize weed for your town?


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19097311 - 11/06/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My government gave up on weed long ago, they just bust a grower once in while to keep up the image that its doing something about it.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Magicman69]
    #19097316 - 11/06/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The war on weed is over in my home state :aweohyou: :goodluck: :jah:




:whathesaid:

And the bud in op looks so incredibly delicious.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Enjoywho]
    #19097336 - 11/06/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's funny that for me, and many of my friends, it's easier to get mj than it is liquor. That just shows that regulating the sale is more effective than prohibiting it. At least in my case.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: dontknow]
    #19097527 - 11/06/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty much. I always could get pot before 21. I'd have to find a buyer which could be a pain sometimes.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Enjoywho]
    #19097561 - 11/06/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I can get alcohol but I have to call up 10 people and see who's free and willing to drive to the store with me. I rarely go out of my way to get alcohol though, just drink when I'm offered it.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: skatealex2] * 1
    #19097695 - 11/06/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is a rather cynical take on it imo, with implied tones of us versus them mentality. What's really going on is democracy in action.

Before the public kept voting in the politicians who ran on the Hard On Drugs ticket, so ofc the politicians kept the wheels turning. Now that the majority of the American people no longer support marijuana criminalization and are voting it out, politicians are realizing that if they want to keep their jobs they will have to side with the voters. All of the stoners who repeated the tired cliche that voting doesn't work are soon going to be inhaling their words.

With any luck it will wake people up to the fact that they can change their situation at the ballot box, even though it takes getting involved at local and state levels. Democracy is not dead. 'Merica is still fuck yeahing.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19098133 - 11/06/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol I live in maine the pot isnt really legal, its actually kinda confusing. the city legalized it on a state level but its still illegal on a federal level. I think they just did that to make the penalties for getting caught a little less:shrug: A lot of people are misunderstanding it lol


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: kinkaku]
    #19098162 - 11/06/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

try living in Texas people, I just got stuck with 15 months probation, 1000 dollar fine, 50 hours community service, and a drug offender program for getting busted with less than a gram of weed. :nonono:

Down here you would never guess that it's legal in other parts of the country.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: mushroom_sandwich] * 2
    #19101394 - 11/07/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If america looks like it is losing the war on drugs it's because it wants to appear so.

You have to look at the possible agenda behind this. If america truly wanted weed to be illegal forever, it wouldn't be a challenge... remember the previous decades?

Honestly do you think the powers that be are sweating at the thought of what a bunch of marijuana users want at the end of the day? No, you are not intimidating...

Maybe back in the sixties, when people read books, when people weren't glued to the electronics. Maybe it wasn't a good idea to let everyone in on this mind expansion substance, at that time.

But now? We are so pacified, fear stricken, controlled, paralyzed, cynical about any change that giving us psychotic drugs will only enhance the paranoia and increase our passivity.

Thus, this isn't the result of activism, or democracy. It's only becoming more and more accepted, because the powers that be want it to be this way... not because people held some rallies.

Fact is. Marijuana is an incredibly useful tool for the government to use on it's citizens. Especially when used on youth, it has such a high chance of making that child completely lose their direction. Spoken from experience and regret.

No one here can deny that recreational drugs offer a gateway from reality, offering a "better" way, and that is being in the trance.

This only leads you away from the truly important things in life, the things that matter. This is vitally important to the powers that be, an intelligent, healthy, challenging, demanding population is frightening to the powers that be. This is why we're dumbed down at every turn. Introducing a psychoactive substance available in mass quantities is going to do no good to this already immature and underdeveloped generation. Not to mention how downhill it will go from here. Masses of hazed out pacifists who don't have the testosterone to fight back seems like a mighty easy kingdom to rule to me.

Of course I have nothing agaisnt any marijuana user personally. Infact I'm about to smoke a bowl after hitting submit. I do enjoy playing devils advocate and offering a different perspective hopefully invoking some thought.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Thulean] * 1
    #19101452 - 11/07/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If america looks like it is losing the war on drugs it's because it wants to appear so.

You have to look at the possible agenda behind this. If america truly wanted weed to be illegal forever, it wouldn't be a challenge... remember the previous decades?

Honestly do you think the powers that be are sweating at the thought of what a bunch of marijuana users want at the end of the day? No, you are not intimidating...

Maybe back in the sixties, when people read books, when people weren't glued to the electronics. Maybe it wasn't a good idea to let everyone in on this mind expansion substance, at that time.

But now? We are so pacified, fear stricken, controlled, paralyzed, cynical about any change that giving us psychotic drugs will only enhance the paranoia and increase our passivity.

Thus, this isn't the result of activism, or democracy. It's only becoming more and more accepted, because the powers that be want it to be this way... not because people held some rallies.

Fact is. Marijuana is an incredibly useful tool for the government to use on it's citizens. Especially when used on youth, it has such a high chance of making that child completely lose their direction. Spoken from experience and regret.

No one here can deny that recreational drugs offer a gateway from reality, offering a "better" way, and that is being in the trance.

This only leads you away from the truly important things in life, the things that matter. This is vitally important to the powers that be, an intelligent, healthy, challenging, demanding population is frightening to the powers that be. This is why we're dumbed down at every turn. Introducing a psychoactive substance available in mass quantities is going to do no good to this already immature and underdeveloped generation. Not to mention how downhill it will go from here. Masses of hazed out pacifists who don't have the testosterone to fight back seems like a mighty easy kingdom to rule to me.

Of course I have nothing agaisnt any marijuana user personally. Infact I'm about to smoke a bowl after hitting submit. I do enjoy playing devils advocate and offering a different perspective hopefully invoking some thought.






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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Thulean]
    #19101458 - 11/07/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Cops don't want to waste time, no one in their right mind cares enough to do anything rash enough to stop it in it's tracks.

When I was younger my parents hated it, but then I turned 18 and over night my mom was fine with it. A lot of younger or culture infused parents would rather their kids smoke pot at that age.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: skatealex2]
    #19101484 - 11/07/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Keeping weed illegal is RETARDED. I can't express with words how foolish, counter-intuitive, hypocritical, evil, immoral, stupid, and ridiculous the whole ordeal is.

Marijuana rights should be treated the same way as gay rights. All gays want is to be able to suck cock in peace. That's all right with me- we allow them to do so because it doesn't harm anybody, they are consenting adults, and they're allowed to do whatever the FUCK they want. Why can't we view weed with the same mentality. If I want to spend my days hitting my glass pipe, WHY AM I LEGALLY NOT ALLOWED TO. Why do I have to worry about being charged with ridiculous fines, having to do volunteer work, or even getting arrested for possessing a substance that has no addictive properties, doesn't make me impaired, and doesn't harm anybody else!

How on earth is alcohol legal. Have you heard people's stories of excessive alcohol consumption? How crazy, dangerous, harmful, stupid, and violent they can get? Alcohol takes away your inhibition, do people not realize how dangerous that is? Weed is the direct opposite! Gah! If you give somebody enough drinks, you literally take away their human qualities and create an animal that operates on instincts and momentary urges. Have you seen the violence drunk people can commit? The riots they can stir up?

Which drug is more dangerous? The drug that literally makes you stop giving a shit about everything or the drug that makes you analyze your life and become mellow and in sync with the good vibes? Jesus christ, people are dumb.

And don't even get me started on tobacco.....

I can't wait for the day it gets legalized to the point where I can puff it into a cop's face. I don't understand, for the life of me, why people, WHO HAVE NO CLUE about what weed is even like, get to vote! "Hey uhhhh, I've never tried this substance, I have no idea how it makes me feel, how it compares to alcohol or cigarettes,  how good the sensory enhancement really is....but uhhhh I vote to keep it illegal even though it isn't addictive or harmful." FUCK YOU.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19101764 - 11/07/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19101794 - 11/07/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

For the same reason you can vote on the topic of abortion without having had one, others get to vote on weed without having tried it.

Democracy caters to the majority, the tokers of the US have finally convinced the majority that it's ok, so now the tide is turning.

Everybody wants to act like the gubment hates the people and enacted the War on Drugs to fuck the people, but really the gubment is a reflection of the people, and we've just happened to be fucking ourselves in the mirror for the last 70 years.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19101798 - 11/07/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19101835 - 11/07/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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For the same reason you can vote on the topic of abortion without having had one, others get to vote on weed without having tried it.

Democracy caters to the majority, the tokers of the US have finally convinced the majority that it's ok, so now the tide is turning.

Everybody wants to act like the gubment hates the people and enacted the War on Drugs to fuck the people, but really the gubment is a reflection of the people, and we've just happened to be fucking ourselves in the mirror for the last 70 years.




The topic of abortion is a different ballgame. With abortion, the argument generally centers around figuring out whether a fetus is considered human or not.

With weed, there is a vast degree of objectivity when it comes to debates. We have FACTS. And these facts make perfect, logical sense but yet they remain unrecognized. Alcohol and tobacco are LEGAL substances. They are sold everywhere and TAXED. You can have 100 packs of cigarettes on your person or 20 bottles of liquor in your fridge and you are 100% legally allowed to do so. With this in mind, it's necessary to create a criteria list that a substance must meet to be legal. If there is a substance, like marijuana, that is safer than alcohol and tobacco in an OBJECTIVE WAY, it is hypocritical, immoral, and wrong to keep it illegal.

To use an analogy- imagine a society where vodka (50%) is legal but another alcohol beverage (3%) is illegal. Vodka is far more dangerous so it would make logical sense to allow the less dangerous substance to also be legal. That's how stupid the marijuana prohibition is.

It also borders on the issue of human rights. We all suddenly appear on planet earth without any prior knowledge. NOT A SINGLE HUMAN BEING, either alive or dead, has any idea what this life is entirely about, why we exist, we we're here, and so forth. With that in mind, how can we judge what is worth doing and what is considered a waste of time. To me, going to church and spending 3 hours is a complete waste of time. To another person, smoking pot is a waste of time. But why should wasting MY time be illegal? Why should I be criminalized for making myself feel good in a way that doesn't harm a single human being negatively? It's literally a BREACH of basic human rights.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19101855 - 11/07/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the concept of Safety isn't something we can wrap our head around at this time. please remain in your seat.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19101865 - 11/07/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Keeping weed illegal is RETARDED. I can't express with words how foolish, counter-intuitive, hypocritical, evil, immoral, stupid, and ridiculous the whole ordeal is.

Marijuana rights should be treated the same way as gay rights. All gays want is to be able to suck cock in peace. That's all right with me- we allow them to do so because it doesn't harm anybody, they are consenting adults, and they're allowed to do whatever the FUCK they want. Why can't we view weed with the same mentality. If I want to spend my days hitting my glass pipe, WHY AM I LEGALLY NOT ALLOWED TO. Why do I have to worry about being charged with ridiculous fines, having to do volunteer work, or even getting arrested for possessing a substance that has no addictive properties, doesn't make me impaired, and doesn't harm anybody else!

How on earth is alcohol legal. Have you heard people's stories of excessive alcohol consumption? How crazy, dangerous, harmful, stupid, and violent they can get? Alcohol takes away your inhibition, do people not realize how dangerous that is? Weed is the direct opposite! Gah! If you give somebody enough drinks, you literally take away their human qualities and create an animal that operates on instincts and momentary urges. Have you seen the violence drunk people can commit? The riots they can stir up?

Which drug is more dangerous? The drug that literally makes you stop giving a shit about everything or the drug that makes you analyze your life and become mellow and in sync with the good vibes? Jesus christ, people are dumb.

And don't even get me started on tobacco.....

I can't wait for the day it gets legalized to the point where I can puff it into a cop's face. I don't understand, for the life of me, why people, WHO HAVE NO CLUE about what weed is even like, get to vote! "Hey uhhhh, I've never tried this substance, I have no idea how it makes me feel, how it compares to alcohol or cigarettes,  how good the sensory enhancement really is....but uhhhh I vote to keep it illegal even though it isn't addictive or harmful." FUCK YOU.



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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: unknown1123]
    #19101885 - 11/07/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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unknown1123 said:
Quote:

Alexestalex said:
Keeping weed illegal is RETARDED. I can't express with words how foolish, counter-intuitive, hypocritical, evil, immoral, stupid, and ridiculous the whole ordeal is.

Marijuana rights should be treated the same way as gay rights. All gays want is to be able to suck cock in peace. That's all right with me- we allow them to do so because it doesn't harm anybody, they are consenting adults, and they're allowed to do whatever the FUCK they want. Why can't we view weed with the same mentality. If I want to spend my days hitting my glass pipe, WHY AM I LEGALLY NOT ALLOWED TO. Why do I have to worry about being charged with ridiculous fines, having to do volunteer work, or even getting arrested for possessing a substance that has no addictive properties, doesn't make me impaired, and doesn't harm anybody else!

How on earth is alcohol legal. Have you heard people's stories of excessive alcohol consumption? How crazy, dangerous, harmful, stupid, and violent they can get? Alcohol takes away your inhibition, do people not realize how dangerous that is? Weed is the direct opposite! Gah! If you give somebody enough drinks, you literally take away their human qualities and create an animal that operates on instincts and momentary urges. Have you seen the violence drunk people can commit? The riots they can stir up?

Which drug is more dangerous? The drug that literally makes you stop giving a shit about everything or the drug that makes you analyze your life and become mellow and in sync with the good vibes? Jesus christ, people are dumb.

And don't even get me started on tobacco.....

I can't wait for the day it gets legalized to the point where I can puff it into a cop's face. I don't understand, for the life of me, why people, WHO HAVE NO CLUE about what weed is even like, get to vote! "Hey uhhhh, I've never tried this substance, I have no idea how it makes me feel, how it compares to alcohol or cigarettes,  how good the sensory enhancement really is....but uhhhh I vote to keep it illegal even though it isn't addictive or harmful." FUCK YOU.



full of :lol: and :facepalm:

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Can you please explain what parts of my argument you disagree with?


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19101915 - 11/07/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i would like to hear his reasoning too.

oh no, peace dude, i think he was just saying you were right, and that he finds the reasons you provided to be lulsy and facepalm worthy because it's true.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19101929 - 11/07/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

detroit. obama. deficit. cartels. world bank.pot.drones.libya.syria.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19101971 - 11/07/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There are facts surrounding abortion, too. Abortion lowers crime rates drastically over the course of a couple decades, and makes it more likely for poverty stricken women to rise up the social ladder. It's effects on what would otherwise be absentee fathers are also well documented, when a man doesn't have to pay child support or the costs of raising a child, he is less likely to commit crimes for money.

None of that changes the fact that you get to vote on it without having experienced it first hand, and you vote based on your own personal beliefs, regardless of whether or not they are based in fact or reality.

Marijuana is illegal because the majority of Americans have wanted it that way since the concept was introduced. Literally the same year that this trend reversed, it started becoming legalized on the state level. It's democracy in action, if you see it any other way you are merely hallucinating artifacts of confirmation bias.

The government is not losing the war on weed, the people are finally deciding to put an end to it.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19101985 - 11/07/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

None of that has to do with the scheduling of marijuana which is decided upon by the president

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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: skatealex2]
    #19102036 - 11/07/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why the fuck are you people bickering?
THIS IS ANOTHER SMALL BUT IMPORTANT VICTORY AND STEP TOWARDS NATIONAL WEED LEGALIZATION:awetrippie:


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Konyap]
    #19102054 - 11/07/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You're out of your mind if you think that marijuana scheduling and legalization are solely in the hands of the POTUS, but that's exactly what I'd expect from someone who doesn't understand politics or the momentum necessary to enact change on a federal level.

Fact - Until the Gallop poll conducted last month, the majority of Americans agreed that marijuana should be illegal.

Fact - Politicians are elected by the people and don't care if their policies fuck over young adults as long as those policies consistently get them elected. That's their job.

Fact - Most of the country elects politicians who are "tough on crime" and in support of "family values", which certainly don't include marijuana smoking. They pay as little attention to the facts surrounding marijuana use as they pay to facts surrounding abortion.

Fact - The majority of people who support marijuana reform do not vote in state or local elections. They sit around talking about how voting is worthless.

Fact - Those people are retarded, because as we've clearly seen in CO and WA, voting does make a difference and even well established precedence of federal vs state statutes hasn't prevented popular opinion from making real change.

You tin foil hatters keep talking about how the government is letting this happen to dumb down the people, or how there is a ulterior motive in play, I'll keep voting until my state legalizes.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19102085 - 11/07/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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For the same reason you can vote on the topic of abortion without having had one, others get to vote on weed without having tried it.

Democracy caters to the majority, the tokers of the US have finally convinced the majority that it's ok, so now the tide is turning.

Everybody wants to act like the gubment hates the people and enacted the War on Drugs to fuck the people, but really the gubment is a reflection of the people, and we've just happened to be fucking ourselves in the mirror for the last 70 years.




Yup the gov represents the people....

We have all forgotten ourselves for 70 years, or a good portion of us has
lack of acceptance,tolerance in society is due to lack of acceptance in the people

luckily I found myself after 10+ years last year :-)
and seen numerous other people find themselves and their real values in life recently
they turned around completely, new person, more in touch with nature, simple lifestyle, meditating, new/healthy choices in life  , opposite of before , much less stress, more time for enjoying life, more love Ive noticed too

or maybe it was just myself that changed :wink:

we can change everyone around us too, by how we treat others, be nice to others at all times

I usually say I smoke even though its a really rare thing for me, maybe 1-2 times a year max (havent smoked in 1½ year)
it usually comes as a surprise to people, they didnt expect it, they often fear the weed since it makes you insane according to the gov


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: lessismore]
    #19102107 - 11/07/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

weed is over rated. Let the stoners clog their minds with haze :topicsucks:


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: lessismore]
    #19102115 - 11/07/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Amen, mio. In the last year I have seen my ultra conservative parents change their views on the War on Drugs entirely, based largely on my brothers and I talking about it at the dinner table when we all come together. I have seen young republicans from the local campus go from condemning weed as an ill of society to discussing how legalization will revitalize agriculture and supercharge state economies. I've heard a preacher talk about the harms caused through prison sentences for drug users.

The paradigm is shifting and people are using their brains and their votes to change the political landscape. This is not some illuminati plot, it is democracy.

In the absence of pro-marijuana youth at the polls, the grandparents of those youth voted to keep weed illegal in a misguided effort to prevent white women from fucking black men, and all the other garbage that was ingrained in their minds. Now the parents are voting to keep their children out of jail, and a small portion of the youths are finding their political voices, further tipping the scales.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: skatealex2]
    #19102119 - 11/07/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The government has lost the war on marijuana, as well as the war on drugs, a long time ago.

Now all that's left is for them to admit & accept it.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19102156 - 11/07/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

they can change their views all they want

they are still going to vote for scum suckers in the office just like democrats will vote for liars and flip floppers

obama can change the scheduling of marijuana FACT

Lamaar Smith (R) wouldn't even let Ron Paul and the other Representive/Senetor(?) turn in their recommendation for Weed to be legal, to his committie that decides on drugs FACT

The goverment has known weed doesn't cause cancer since the 70's FACT

Our last three presidents have smoked pot FACT

Nixon was a opiate user and wouldn't go to jail over the war he started FACT

Ronald Regan militarized the drug war after Nixon left office completely marginalizing medical attention FACT

the Drug War targeted black communities FACT

you can get a life sentence for handling less then a envelop of drugs FACT

nobody died of taboo drug overdoses before the drug war, more people died from choking of food FACT

putting someone in jail makes them less likely to seek help FACT

please stop with all your patriot bullshit, go sign up to kill some jihads if your so positive what your goverment does is mirror the peoples intentions


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19102210 - 11/07/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The government has lost the war on marijuana, as well as the war on drugs, a LNG time ago.

Now all that's left is for them to admit & accept it.




No, now all that's left is for the constituents to tell the government that it's over. That really is all that it takes.

Notice how Obama asked for congressional approval on air-striking Syria? It's because he knew that he had to if the Dems wanted another win in '16, they had already shit the bed with Benghazi and Obamacare. If he had pushed back against legalization in CO and WA the majority of the pot smoking demographic would have abandoned the Democrats next election.

- To Illyabo, what do you think changing the scheduling would accomplish? Meth and coke are schedule II and you will still get butt fucked if you're caught with those.

Obama is a transitional president in the midst of a paradigm shift, why would he change scheduling or push for abolition of the DEA when the majority of the country still wanted it illegal at the start of his second term? Why would he put his historical reputation on the line by being the token black guy who legalized weed as soon as possible?

It's all game theory and the politicians are playing to win. I don't like either of the two main parties any more than you do, but I understand that if prohibition is the side with less voters, the parties will cater to the other crowd. It's a numbers game.

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they can change their views all they want

they are still going to vote for scum suckers in the office just like democrats will vote for liars and flip floppers




Yeah, but maybe in the primaries they vote for the governors and presidential nominees who are in favor of legalization. Waiting for the POTUS to reverse prohibition is stupid, it has to be done on a broader scale.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19102225 - 11/07/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A schedule I has NO MEDICINAL VALUE

He's a liar through and through that caters to all the primative country's in the U.N.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Konyap]
    #19102235 - 11/07/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If bud becomes legal all across the US then I won't be as edgy when I smoke...:mad2:


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19102244 - 11/07/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Obama is a transitional president in the midst of a paradigm shift, why would he change scheduling or push for abolition of the DEA when the majority of the country still wanted it illegal at the start of his second term? Why would he put his historical reputation on the line by being the token black guy who legalized weed as soon as possible?





Because it shouldn't be about his reputation, it should be about what's right.

Unfortunately it seem that all most politicians care about is money and reputation, not about what's right.

I don't like virtually any politician, with the exception of Ron Paul, they're all just bought puppets.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19102281 - 11/07/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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A schedule I has NO MEDICINAL VALUE

He's a liar through and through that caters to all the primative country's in the U.N.




Short sighted nit-pickery. They're all liars. Ron Paul is a liar, Rand Paul is a liar, Obama is a liar and I promise you so is Gary Johnson when it suits his interests.

Schedule I convictions often carry lower penalties than Schedule II, so what the fuck does that matter? Would it really matter to you if it was Schedule II or III if you still got arrested for it? Wouldn't to me.

Again, it's insane to think that because Obama smoked weed and spoke in favor of it as a senator, that he would push full-scale federal legalization into motion without it first becoming a major state vs fed battle. All it would accomplish is alienating some voters, appeasing a few others, and solidifying his status as token black president.

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Because it shouldn't be about his reputation, it should be about what's right.

Unfortunately it seem that all most politicians care about is money and reputation, not about what's right.

I don't like virtually any politician, with the exception of Ron Paul, they're all just bought puppets.




Well welcome to the real world, where winning is what matters. You can't do shit if you aren't in office.

Ron Paul would be a puppet the second he took office.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19102405 - 11/07/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I disagree with your last statement, I think he is the one politician that actually has a shred of integrity.

Just my opinion.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: skatealex2]
    #19102522 - 11/07/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Too bad the vast majority of politicians are still too chickenshit to touch it with a 10 foot pole.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19102619 - 11/07/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hooray!  One less thing to worry about.  Do tell the government they lost, will you OP?


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: mpd]
    #19102655 - 11/07/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I already have, they just don't seem to listen.

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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19103095 - 11/07/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ughhh there is so much crap in this thread I can smell it through my screen.

Anyway I agree with op. And they fed gov will not be able to ignore the revenue anyway.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: DeadHearts]
    #19103504 - 11/07/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A friend of mine that moved to CO recently told me today that in Jan 2014 it will be legal to buy recreational weed for 21 and up. I will believe it when I see it!


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #19104389 - 11/08/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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A friend of mine that moved to CO recently told me today that in Jan 2014 it will be legal to buy recreational weed for 21 and up. I will believe it when I see it!





I think it's true. Just read that in a article somewhere.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: DeadHearts]
    #19104477 - 11/08/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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A friend of mine that moved to CO recently told me today that in Jan 2014 it will be legal to buy recreational weed for 21 and up. I will believe it when I see it!





I think it's true. Just read that in a article somewhere.



hope not, I love seeing all the weed people complain about it not being legal. where will all their undirected complaints go?


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: unknown1123]
    #19104489 - 11/08/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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A friend of mine that moved to CO recently told me today that in Jan 2014 it will be legal to buy recreational weed for 21 and up. I will believe it when I see it!





I think it's true. Just read that in a article somewhere.



hope not, I love seeing all the weed people complain about it not being legal. where will all their undirected complaints go?





Maybe they will just find a new hobby. Like showering.


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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: DeadHearts]
    #19106716 - 11/08/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

^rude.:thumbdown:


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