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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Alexestalex]
#19101855 - 11/07/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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the concept of Safety isn't something we can wrap our head around at this time. please remain in your seat.
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Alexestalex]
#19101865 - 11/07/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alexestalex said: Keeping weed illegal is RETARDED. I can't express with words how foolish, counter-intuitive, hypocritical, evil, immoral, stupid, and ridiculous the whole ordeal is.
Marijuana rights should be treated the same way as gay rights. All gays want is to be able to suck cock in peace. That's all right with me- we allow them to do so because it doesn't harm anybody, they are consenting adults, and they're allowed to do whatever the FUCK they want. Why can't we view weed with the same mentality. If I want to spend my days hitting my glass pipe, WHY AM I LEGALLY NOT ALLOWED TO. Why do I have to worry about being charged with ridiculous fines, having to do volunteer work, or even getting arrested for possessing a substance that has no addictive properties, doesn't make me impaired, and doesn't harm anybody else!
How on earth is alcohol legal. Have you heard people's stories of excessive alcohol consumption? How crazy, dangerous, harmful, stupid, and violent they can get? Alcohol takes away your inhibition, do people not realize how dangerous that is? Weed is the direct opposite! Gah! If you give somebody enough drinks, you literally take away their human qualities and create an animal that operates on instincts and momentary urges. Have you seen the violence drunk people can commit? The riots they can stir up?
Which drug is more dangerous? The drug that literally makes you stop giving a shit about everything or the drug that makes you analyze your life and become mellow and in sync with the good vibes? Jesus christ, people are dumb.
And don't even get me started on tobacco.....
I can't wait for the day it gets legalized to the point where I can puff it into a cop's face. I don't understand, for the life of me, why people, WHO HAVE NO CLUE about what weed is even like, get to vote! "Hey uhhhh, I've never tried this substance, I have no idea how it makes me feel, how it compares to alcohol or cigarettes, how good the sensory enhancement really is....but uhhhh I vote to keep it illegal even though it isn't addictive or harmful." FUCK YOU.
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: unknown1123]
#19101885 - 11/07/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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unknown1123 said:
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Alexestalex said: Keeping weed illegal is RETARDED. I can't express with words how foolish, counter-intuitive, hypocritical, evil, immoral, stupid, and ridiculous the whole ordeal is.
Marijuana rights should be treated the same way as gay rights. All gays want is to be able to suck cock in peace. That's all right with me- we allow them to do so because it doesn't harm anybody, they are consenting adults, and they're allowed to do whatever the FUCK they want. Why can't we view weed with the same mentality. If I want to spend my days hitting my glass pipe, WHY AM I LEGALLY NOT ALLOWED TO. Why do I have to worry about being charged with ridiculous fines, having to do volunteer work, or even getting arrested for possessing a substance that has no addictive properties, doesn't make me impaired, and doesn't harm anybody else!
How on earth is alcohol legal. Have you heard people's stories of excessive alcohol consumption? How crazy, dangerous, harmful, stupid, and violent they can get? Alcohol takes away your inhibition, do people not realize how dangerous that is? Weed is the direct opposite! Gah! If you give somebody enough drinks, you literally take away their human qualities and create an animal that operates on instincts and momentary urges. Have you seen the violence drunk people can commit? The riots they can stir up?
Which drug is more dangerous? The drug that literally makes you stop giving a shit about everything or the drug that makes you analyze your life and become mellow and in sync with the good vibes? Jesus christ, people are dumb.
And don't even get me started on tobacco.....
I can't wait for the day it gets legalized to the point where I can puff it into a cop's face. I don't understand, for the life of me, why people, WHO HAVE NO CLUE about what weed is even like, get to vote! "Hey uhhhh, I've never tried this substance, I have no idea how it makes me feel, how it compares to alcohol or cigarettes, how good the sensory enhancement really is....but uhhhh I vote to keep it illegal even though it isn't addictive or harmful." FUCK YOU.
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Alexestalex]
#19101915 - 11/07/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i would like to hear his reasoning too.
oh no, peace dude, i think he was just saying you were right, and that he finds the reasons you provided to be lulsy and facepalm worthy because it's true.
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: akira_akuma]
#19101929 - 11/07/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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detroit. obama. deficit. cartels. world bank.pot.drones.libya.syria.
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Alexestalex]
#19101971 - 11/07/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are facts surrounding abortion, too. Abortion lowers crime rates drastically over the course of a couple decades, and makes it more likely for poverty stricken women to rise up the social ladder. It's effects on what would otherwise be absentee fathers are also well documented, when a man doesn't have to pay child support or the costs of raising a child, he is less likely to commit crimes for money.
None of that changes the fact that you get to vote on it without having experienced it first hand, and you vote based on your own personal beliefs, regardless of whether or not they are based in fact or reality.
Marijuana is illegal because the majority of Americans have wanted it that way since the concept was introduced. Literally the same year that this trend reversed, it started becoming legalized on the state level. It's democracy in action, if you see it any other way you are merely hallucinating artifacts of confirmation bias.
The government is not losing the war on weed, the people are finally deciding to put an end to it.
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
#19101985 - 11/07/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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None of that has to do with the scheduling of marijuana which is decided upon by the president
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: skatealex2]
#19102036 - 11/07/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why the fuck are you people bickering? THIS IS ANOTHER SMALL BUT IMPORTANT VICTORY AND STEP TOWARDS NATIONAL WEED LEGALIZATION
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Konyap]
#19102054 - 11/07/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're out of your mind if you think that marijuana scheduling and legalization are solely in the hands of the POTUS, but that's exactly what I'd expect from someone who doesn't understand politics or the momentum necessary to enact change on a federal level.
Fact - Until the Gallop poll conducted last month, the majority of Americans agreed that marijuana should be illegal.
Fact - Politicians are elected by the people and don't care if their policies fuck over young adults as long as those policies consistently get them elected. That's their job.
Fact - Most of the country elects politicians who are "tough on crime" and in support of "family values", which certainly don't include marijuana smoking. They pay as little attention to the facts surrounding marijuana use as they pay to facts surrounding abortion.
Fact - The majority of people who support marijuana reform do not vote in state or local elections. They sit around talking about how voting is worthless.
Fact - Those people are retarded, because as we've clearly seen in CO and WA, voting does make a difference and even well established precedence of federal vs state statutes hasn't prevented popular opinion from making real change.
You tin foil hatters keep talking about how the government is letting this happen to dumb down the people, or how there is a ulterior motive in play, I'll keep voting until my state legalizes.
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
#19102085 - 11/07/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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RiderOnTheStorm said: For the same reason you can vote on the topic of abortion without having had one, others get to vote on weed without having tried it.
Democracy caters to the majority, the tokers of the US have finally convinced the majority that it's ok, so now the tide is turning.
Everybody wants to act like the gubment hates the people and enacted the War on Drugs to fuck the people, but really the gubment is a reflection of the people, and we've just happened to be fucking ourselves in the mirror for the last 70 years.
Yup the gov represents the people....
We have all forgotten ourselves for 70 years, or a good portion of us has lack of acceptance,tolerance in society is due to lack of acceptance in the people
luckily I found myself after 10+ years last year :-) and seen numerous other people find themselves and their real values in life recently they turned around completely, new person, more in touch with nature, simple lifestyle, meditating, new/healthy choices in life , opposite of before , much less stress, more time for enjoying life, more love Ive noticed too
or maybe it was just myself that changed 
we can change everyone around us too, by how we treat others, be nice to others at all times
I usually say I smoke even though its a really rare thing for me, maybe 1-2 times a year max (havent smoked in 1½ year) it usually comes as a surprise to people, they didnt expect it, they often fear the weed since it makes you insane according to the gov
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: lessismore]
#19102107 - 11/07/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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weed is over rated. Let the stoners clog their minds with haze
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: lessismore]
#19102115 - 11/07/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Amen, mio. In the last year I have seen my ultra conservative parents change their views on the War on Drugs entirely, based largely on my brothers and I talking about it at the dinner table when we all come together. I have seen young republicans from the local campus go from condemning weed as an ill of society to discussing how legalization will revitalize agriculture and supercharge state economies. I've heard a preacher talk about the harms caused through prison sentences for drug users.
The paradigm is shifting and people are using their brains and their votes to change the political landscape. This is not some illuminati plot, it is democracy.
In the absence of pro-marijuana youth at the polls, the grandparents of those youth voted to keep weed illegal in a misguided effort to prevent white women from fucking black men, and all the other garbage that was ingrained in their minds. Now the parents are voting to keep their children out of jail, and a small portion of the youths are finding their political voices, further tipping the scales.
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: skatealex2]
#19102119 - 11/07/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The government has lost the war on marijuana, as well as the war on drugs, a long time ago.
Now all that's left is for them to admit & accept it.
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
#19102156 - 11/07/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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they can change their views all they want
they are still going to vote for scum suckers in the office just like democrats will vote for liars and flip floppers
obama can change the scheduling of marijuana FACT
Lamaar Smith (R) wouldn't even let Ron Paul and the other Representive/Senetor(?) turn in their recommendation for Weed to be legal, to his committie that decides on drugs FACT
The goverment has known weed doesn't cause cancer since the 70's FACT
Our last three presidents have smoked pot FACT
Nixon was a opiate user and wouldn't go to jail over the war he started FACT
Ronald Regan militarized the drug war after Nixon left office completely marginalizing medical attention FACT
the Drug War targeted black communities FACT
you can get a life sentence for handling less then a envelop of drugs FACT
nobody died of taboo drug overdoses before the drug war, more people died from choking of food FACT
putting someone in jail makes them less likely to seek help FACT
please stop with all your patriot bullshit, go sign up to kill some jihads if your so positive what your goverment does is mirror the peoples intentions
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19102210 - 11/07/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mjmihalov said: The government has lost the war on marijuana, as well as the war on drugs, a LNG time ago.
Now all that's left is for them to admit & accept it.
No, now all that's left is for the constituents to tell the government that it's over. That really is all that it takes.
Notice how Obama asked for congressional approval on air-striking Syria? It's because he knew that he had to if the Dems wanted another win in '16, they had already shit the bed with Benghazi and Obamacare. If he had pushed back against legalization in CO and WA the majority of the pot smoking demographic would have abandoned the Democrats next election.
- To Illyabo, what do you think changing the scheduling would accomplish? Meth and coke are schedule II and you will still get butt fucked if you're caught with those.
Obama is a transitional president in the midst of a paradigm shift, why would he change scheduling or push for abolition of the DEA when the majority of the country still wanted it illegal at the start of his second term? Why would he put his historical reputation on the line by being the token black guy who legalized weed as soon as possible?
It's all game theory and the politicians are playing to win. I don't like either of the two main parties any more than you do, but I understand that if prohibition is the side with less voters, the parties will cater to the other crowd. It's a numbers game.
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Illyabo said: they can change their views all they want
they are still going to vote for scum suckers in the office just like democrats will vote for liars and flip floppers
Yeah, but maybe in the primaries they vote for the governors and presidential nominees who are in favor of legalization. Waiting for the POTUS to reverse prohibition is stupid, it has to be done on a broader scale.
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
#19102225 - 11/07/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A schedule I has NO MEDICINAL VALUE
He's a liar through and through that caters to all the primative country's in the U.N.
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: Konyap]
#19102235 - 11/07/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If bud becomes legal all across the US then I won't be as edgy when I smoke...
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
#19102244 - 11/07/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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RiderOnTheStorm said: Obama is a transitional president in the midst of a paradigm shift, why would he change scheduling or push for abolition of the DEA when the majority of the country still wanted it illegal at the start of his second term? Why would he put his historical reputation on the line by being the token black guy who legalized weed as soon as possible?
Because it shouldn't be about his reputation, it should be about what's right.
Unfortunately it seem that all most politicians care about is money and reputation, not about what's right.
I don't like virtually any politician, with the exception of Ron Paul, they're all just bought puppets.
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19102281 - 11/07/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: A schedule I has NO MEDICINAL VALUE
He's a liar through and through that caters to all the primative country's in the U.N.
Short sighted nit-pickery. They're all liars. Ron Paul is a liar, Rand Paul is a liar, Obama is a liar and I promise you so is Gary Johnson when it suits his interests.
Schedule I convictions often carry lower penalties than Schedule II, so what the fuck does that matter? Would it really matter to you if it was Schedule II or III if you still got arrested for it? Wouldn't to me.
Again, it's insane to think that because Obama smoked weed and spoke in favor of it as a senator, that he would push full-scale federal legalization into motion without it first becoming a major state vs fed battle. All it would accomplish is alienating some voters, appeasing a few others, and solidifying his status as token black president.
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mjmihalov said: Because it shouldn't be about his reputation, it should be about what's right.
Unfortunately it seem that all most politicians care about is money and reputation, not about what's right.
I don't like virtually any politician, with the exception of Ron Paul, they're all just bought puppets.
Well welcome to the real world, where winning is what matters. You can't do shit if you aren't in office.
Ron Paul would be a puppet the second he took office.
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Re: The Government is losing the war on weed [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
#19102405 - 11/07/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I disagree with your last statement, I think he is the one politician that actually has a shred of integrity.
Just my opinion.
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