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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Smokey420]
    #19095018 - 11/06/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What fantasy land do you live in that undocumented workers get $20 a hour? :rofl2:


Pay attention.  They get paid 100 a day plus lunch, call it seven or eight for lunch plus transportation, call it another seven or eight so that is around $15.  This brings the net to around $115.  Net.  $20 an hour is only $160 a day gross.  Take 15% for FICA that leaves $136.  Federal and State taxes take more.  I don't have a tax table in front of me but it isn't far from what is necessary to knock another $20 off.  Then there is unemployment tax and disability tax.

You children have no fucking idea what people pay in taxes which is partly due to the fact that the government deliberately obscures half of the FICA and unemployment.  If you ever did anything other than cash a paycheck you would know this.  They would have to gross about $20 an hour to net what they net


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19095879 - 11/06/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That's a claim you're making, but you've offered no evidence to support the notion that illegal immigrants provide a net positive economic impact on the nation.




Haha, you got me.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19096601 - 11/06/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

IMO people should have to meet certain prerequisites and be able to pass a competency test in order to procreate...

We have eradicated (for the most part) the natural fittest=survival... I'm oft reminded of the movie Idiocracy... I see those genetically inferior specimens in my community already and it seems to be getting worse... ever watch The Learning Channel? It makes me frusterated....

Anyway... tax credits for children and spouse should be kept to taxpayers with kids and spouses... I don't agree with ppl being on welfare and having four kids so they get a fat tax return... is bullshit....

I'm a parent... I pay my taxes.. will recieve money from my government for such... probly gonna home school as well for the simple fact our education system is garbage...

I do agree that we are (supposedly) a society in whole and unfortunately that requires picking up the slack... I agree it is our responsibility as part of a democracy (another laugh) to help each other necessarily. .. but corruption and bigotry and leaches just make it hard on those who try to do right... whatever


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: meatables]
    #19096616 - 11/06/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And I'm pretty sure if there were an over abundance of low skill labor jobs we (americans) have enough lazy teenagers to fill that demand... the work and pay sucks but that shit builds character and appreciation which is much lacking in our society IMO


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: meatables]
    #19096799 - 11/06/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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And I'm pretty sure if there were an over abundance of low skill labor jobs we (americans) have enough lazy teenagers to fill that demand... the work and pay sucks but that shit builds character and appreciation which is much lacking in our society IMO



There are plenty of those jobs.  The illegals are doing them now.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19096957 - 11/06/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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And I'm pretty sure if there were an over abundance of low skill labor jobs we (americans) have enough lazy teenagers to fill that demand... the work and pay sucks but that shit builds character and appreciation which is much lacking in our society IMO



There are plenty of those jobs.  The illegals are doing them now.





If they (illegals) were removed from said position...


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19097098 - 11/06/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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And I'm pretty sure if there were an over abundance of low skill labor jobs we (americans) have enough lazy teenagers to fill that demand... the work and pay sucks but that shit builds character and appreciation which is much lacking in our society IMO



There are plenty of those jobs.  The illegals are doing them now.




Because employers like you won't hire the American worker.  Get that cheap illegal immigrant pay so you can profit more $$$.  Just like Mitt.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19097121 - 11/06/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't hire them and you won't do the work.  They aren't cheap.  They cost far more than minimum wage.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19097151 - 11/06/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't hire them and you won't do the work.  They aren't cheap.  They cost far more than minimum wage.




If you paid the American worker a fair wage instead of hiring illegals for a wage that would make them wealthy in Mexico, you would find plenty of legal workers for your business.  But you would rather pay cash, not offer benefits, and hire illegal immigrants to do your work for you.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19097196 - 11/06/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't hire them and you won't do the work.  They aren't cheap.  They cost far more than minimum wage.




If you paid the American worker a fair wage instead of hiring illegals for a wage that would make them wealthy in Mexico, you would find plenty of legal workers for your business.  But you would rather pay cash, not offer benefits, and hire illegal immigrants to do your work for you.




The day laborers around here make roughly the equivalent of $20 an hour on the books.  If you showed up and worked you would probably get more just because you speak English.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19097226 - 11/06/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, you keep claiming these "day laborers" make "roughly" a decent wage.  You haven't admitted that these "day laborers" are more likely to be illegal immigrants than not.  And apparently if you "speak English" you would "you would probably get more" only further proves the point that illegal immigrants get paid less than their American counterparts.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19097345 - 11/06/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, you keep claiming these "day laborers" make "roughly" a decent wage.  You haven't admitted that these "day laborers" are more likely to be illegal immigrants than not.  And apparently if you "speak English" you would "you would probably get more" only further proves the point that illegal immigrants get paid less than their American counterparts.




They make more than a decent wage.  They are more likely to be illegal.  The ones who speak English do get paid more.  Duh.  You are worth less money if you are working for somebody who doesn't speak your language.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19097425 - 11/06/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You really do know a lot about the employment of illegal immigrants.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19097451 - 11/06/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You seem to not want these undocumented folk to work.  Why do you hate them so?


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19097452 - 11/06/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've been through the day labor deal personally... are talking about an actual staffing agency or random ppl without jobs looking for work?

Working through a labor agency u r still required to prove citizenship and pay taxes to a ss#.... and at min wage how can they be making the same as someone making 20/h otb?


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19097465 - 11/06/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You seem to not want these undocumented folk to work.  Why do you hate them so?




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That's a claim you're making, but you've offered no evidence to support the notion that illegal immigrants provide a net positive economic impact on the nation.




You know the answer.  Stop asking stupid fucking questions.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19097475 - 11/06/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This thread makes me think of this.



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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19097500 - 11/06/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why do you hate them?


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19097751 - 11/06/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Why do you hate them?




I don't hate illegal immigrants who are moving from their shithole country and trying to make a life for themselves here.  I hate shithole employers who take advantage of their situation, and the fact they can't easily get visas or citizenship.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19097755 - 11/06/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Enlil said:
You seem to not want these undocumented folk to work.  Why do you hate them so?




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That's a claim you're making, but you've offered no evidence to support the notion that illegal immigrants provide a net positive economic impact on the nation.




You know the answer.  Stop asking stupid fucking questions.





Why do you hate them, Enill?


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