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Bums and Bumcare * 4
    #19096599 - 11/06/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.propublica.org/article/loyal-obama-supporters-canceled-by-obamacare

This guy got a policy he was perfectly happy with and will lose it because the President he enthusiastically supported is an asshole.  Read the article.  What he can replace it with is shittier, costs more and has higher deductibles.  But that isn't the big issue for this particular thread.  It comes at the end of the article.

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So what is Hammack going to do? If his income were to fall below four times the federal poverty level, or about $62,000 for a family of two, he would qualify for subsidies that could lower his premium cost to as low as zero. If he makes even one dollar more, he gets nothing.

That’s what he’s leaning toward — lowering his salary or shifting more money toward a retirement account and applying for a subsidy.

“We’re not changing our views because of this situation, but it hurt to hear Obama saying, just the other day, that if our plan has been dropped it’s because it wasn’t any good, and our costs would go up only slightly,” he said. “We’re gratified that the press is on the case, but frustrated that the stewards of the ACA don’t seem to have heard.”





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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19102535 - 11/07/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I hope you aren't trying to argue against government-provided health care of the poor with this.

This is another example of privileged people taking advantage of the impoverished.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: HalfLight]
    #19103195 - 11/07/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"You go to any city what are the two biggest buildings? The biggest buildings are always gonna be insurance and banks. How do you think they got that way, huh? From paying claims? From giving you money on your interest?"
-Bill Burr

I wish they would have included that couples' annual salary in that article. Just to see what we're dealing with here.

It's probably karma for all those tax loopholes he's been taking advantage of for all these years.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Neller] * 2
    #19103414 - 11/07/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Neller said:

I wish they would have included that couples' annual salary in that article. Just to see what we're dealing with here.






Their salary is none of your fucking business.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: HalfLight]
    #19104508 - 11/08/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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TryinToTrip said:
I hope you aren't trying to argue against government-provided health care of the poor with this.

This is another example of privileged people taking advantage of the impoverished.




What does Obama Care have to do with providing health care for the poor?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: HalfLight]
    #19106267 - 11/08/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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TryinToTrip said:
I hope you aren't trying to argue against government-provided health care of the poor with this.

This is another example of privileged people taking advantage of the impoverished.




We already had MedicAid.  Privileged?  How was I privileged to work and make money.  The only privilege involved here is that useless fucks think they should have the privilege to force me to buy them shit.  They are the ones taking advantage.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Neller]
    #19106288 - 11/08/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Neller said:
"You go to any city what are the two biggest buildings? The biggest buildings are always gonna be insurance and banks. How do you think they got that way, huh? From paying claims? From giving you money on your interest?"
-Bill Burr

I wish they would have included that couples' annual salary in that article. Just to see what we're dealing with here.

It's probably karma for all those tax loopholes he's been taking advantage of for all these years.



It is clearly slightly above $62,000 a year.  What tax loopholes do you suppose a couple who makes that shit amount of money could possibly avail themselves of?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19107973 - 11/08/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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TryinToTrip said:
I hope you aren't trying to argue against government-provided health care of the poor with this.

This is another example of privileged people taking advantage of the impoverished.




We already had MedicAid.  Privileged?  How was I privileged to work and make money.  The only privilege involved here is that useless fucks think they should have the privilege to force me to buy them shit.  They are the ones taking advantage.




I wasn't calling you privileged, sorry if you thought I was.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19107991 - 11/08/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Neller said:
"You go to any city what are the two biggest buildings? The biggest buildings are always gonna be insurance and banks. How do you think they got that way, huh? From paying claims? From giving you money on your interest?"
-Bill Burr

I wish they would have included that couples' annual salary in that article. Just to see what we're dealing with here.

It's probably karma for all those tax loopholes he's been taking advantage of for all these years.



It is clearly slightly above $62,000 a year.  What tax loopholes do you suppose a couple who makes that shit amount of money could possibly avail themselves of?




You should feel honored to work your ass to the bone so that some fucking 20 year old kid can sit on his ass by the TV all day and get fucked up at your expense.  After all, it isn't 'fair' to them that you rake in the coin and they don't. :smirk:


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19109377 - 11/09/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Neller said:
"You go to any city what are the two biggest buildings? The biggest buildings are always gonna be insurance and banks. How do you think they got that way, huh? From paying claims? From giving you money on your interest?"
-Bill Burr

I wish they would have included that couples' annual salary in that article. Just to see what we're dealing with here.

It's probably karma for all those tax loopholes he's been taking advantage of for all these years.



It is clearly slightly above $62,000 a year.  What tax loopholes do you suppose a couple who makes that shit amount of money could possibly avail themselves of?




You should feel honored to work your ass to the bone so that some fucking 20 year old kid can sit on his ass by the TV all day and get fucked up at your expense.  After all, it isn't 'fair' to them that you rake in the coin and they don't. :smirk:



How much do you think that actually happens?

Look, I know there are people who abuse welfare/snap and the rest of the system, I've seen it first hand and it's pretty fucking disheartening.

But still, the majority of people on these government programs actually need them - and I've seen that first hand too. I don't know what some of those people would do without them.

Maybe you should take a day to go volunteer at a food drive and meet some of the people who really do need food stamps.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Synthe] * 2
    #19109727 - 11/09/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Synthe said:
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starfire_xes said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Neller said:
"You go to any city what are the two biggest buildings? The biggest buildings are always gonna be insurance and banks. How do you think they got that way, huh? From paying claims? From giving you money on your interest?"
-Bill Burr

I wish they would have included that couples' annual salary in that article. Just to see what we're dealing with here.

It's probably karma for all those tax loopholes he's been taking advantage of for all these years.



It is clearly slightly above $62,000 a year.  What tax loopholes do you suppose a couple who makes that shit amount of money could possibly avail themselves of?




You should feel honored to work your ass to the bone so that some fucking 20 year old kid can sit on his ass by the TV all day and get fucked up at your expense.  After all, it isn't 'fair' to them that you rake in the coin and they don't. :smirk:



How much do you think that actually happens?

Look, I know there are people who abuse welfare/snap and the rest of the system, I've seen it first hand and it's pretty fucking disheartening.

But still, the majority of people on these government programs actually need them - and I've seen that first hand too. I don't know what some of those people would do without them.

Maybe you should take a day to go volunteer at a food drive and meet some of the people who really do need food stamps.




i don't think most people NEED it. Its just easier to stay on the government tit than get a real job. And sure from a self centered survivalist stand point it makes sense.

I'll try and find the source but someone did the math and figured out that on average a person on welfare with full benefits makes the equivalent to $25 an hour. Do you know what the number one health concern is among those on welfare? Obesity and other weight related issues. That doesn't sound like a hungry motivated group of people.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19112638 - 11/09/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Do you know why  those are the top health concerns of the working poor? Because they typically can only afford cheap non nutritious foods that when eaten everyday cause health problems like obesity and diabetes. If you actually stopped and thought about something or did some research instead of automatically opening your mouth to spew the fucking venom you leave lying all over these forums you might have realized that high calorie non nutritious junk is a lot cheaper than veggies or fruit.

"i don't think most people NEED it. Its just easier to stay on the government tit than get a real job."

Thats the problem, you don't do much thinking at all.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler] * 1
    #19112677 - 11/09/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

haha you don't know shit about me (or much at all it seems) eating healthy is actually cheaper if you advance your thinking into the long term and get out of the mindset of instant gratification. I grew up poor, started my first business at 16, and within a month of graduating high school got a full time job at a business consultancy, in fact i've never worked a minimum wage job in my life because i put in the work to make sure I earned more than that. So don't throw that shit around like class mobility is impossible.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19112678 - 11/09/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
http://www.propublica.org/article/loyal-obama-supporters-canceled-by-obamacare

This guy got a policy he was perfectly happy with and will lose it because the President he enthusiastically supported is an asshole.  Read the article.  What he can replace it with is shittier, costs more and has higher deductibles.  But that isn't the big issue for this particular thread.  It comes at the end of the article.

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So what is Hammack going to do? If his income were to fall below four times the federal poverty level, or about $62,000 for a family of two, he would qualify for subsidies that could lower his premium cost to as low as zero. If he makes even one dollar more, he gets nothing.

That’s what he’s leaning toward — lowering his salary or shifting more money toward a retirement account and applying for a subsidy.

“We’re not changing our views because of this situation, but it hurt to hear Obama saying, just the other day, that if our plan has been dropped it’s because it wasn’t any good, and our costs would go up only slightly,” he said. “We’re gratified that the press is on the case, but frustrated that the stewards of the ACA don’t seem to have heard.”





Fucking leech bum




i love how you people try to make him out to be a bad guy for trying to make the best out of his situation. I bet you don't bitch about the tax loopholes wallmart or macys or any number of corporations take advantage of in order to squeeze every fucking penny they possibly can out of the American taxpayer while keeping manufacturing prices at the bare minimum by doing it all in china or india. Hell they even pay their American workers 7.25 an hour and the Government has to pay those people welfare so they don't starve to death or end up living on the street. Thats my definition of a leech. Does it fit with yours?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19112753 - 11/09/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i'd agree with that. Corporate welfare is just as bad if not worse than normal welfare.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19113648 - 11/10/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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psyconaught said:


i don't think most people NEED it. Its just easier to stay on the government tit than get a real job. And sure from a self centered survivalist stand point it makes sense.

I'll try and find the source but someone did the math and figured out that on average a person on welfare with full benefits makes the equivalent to $25 an hour. Do you know what the number one health concern is among those on welfare? Obesity and other weight related issues. That doesn't sound like a hungry motivated group of people.



I'll be honest here, I'm pretty skeptical. 

You find that source?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19113719 - 11/10/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Hammburgler said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
http://www.propublica.org/article/loyal-obama-supporters-canceled-by-obamacare

This guy got a policy he was perfectly happy with and will lose it because the President he enthusiastically supported is an asshole.  Read the article.  What he can replace it with is shittier, costs more and has higher deductibles.  But that isn't the big issue for this particular thread.  It comes at the end of the article.

Quote:

So what is Hammack going to do? If his income were to fall below four times the federal poverty level, or about $62,000 for a family of two, he would qualify for subsidies that could lower his premium cost to as low as zero. If he makes even one dollar more, he gets nothing.

That’s what he’s leaning toward — lowering his salary or shifting more money toward a retirement account and applying for a subsidy.

“We’re not changing our views because of this situation, but it hurt to hear Obama saying, just the other day, that if our plan has been dropped it’s because it wasn’t any good, and our costs would go up only slightly,” he said. “We’re gratified that the press is on the case, but frustrated that the stewards of the ACA don’t seem to have heard.”





Fucking leech bum




i love how you people try to make him out to be a bad guy for trying to make the best out of his situation. I bet you don't bitch about the tax loopholes wallmart or macys or any number of corporations take advantage of in order to squeeze every fucking penny they possibly can out of the American taxpayer while keeping manufacturing prices at the bare minimum by doing it all in china or india. Hell they even pay their American workers 7.25 an hour and the Government has to pay those people welfare so they don't starve to death or end up living on the street. Thats my definition of a leech. Does it fit with yours?



Not taking your money does not equal giving you money.  Did you know that corporations that keep costs at a minimum are able to  sell their products for less?  Benefiting every consumer.  $7.25 will support a person if he works 40 in most places.  It will not support 4 people and if you are still making minimum wage 2 years into your work career you are a fucking loser.  Get off my tit.  This guy is considering deliberately working less in order to fuck the people who work more.  Welfare encourages bummitude.  Are you ever going to get that or are you just going to keep panhandling with a gun?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19113970 - 11/10/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Hammburgler said:
Do you know why  those are the top health concerns of the working poor? Because they typically can only afford cheap non nutritious foods that when eaten everyday cause health problems like obesity and diabetes. If you actually stopped and thought about something or did some research instead of automatically opening your mouth to spew the fucking venom you leave lying all over these forums you might have realized that high calorie non nutritious junk is a lot cheaper than veggies or fruit.






In California its cheaper to buy in the produce section and eat fresh produce and fruit rather than processed crap.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Synthe]
    #19113988 - 11/10/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Synthe said:
Quote:

psyconaught said:


i don't think most people NEED it. Its just easier to stay on the government tit than get a real job. And sure from a self centered survivalist stand point it makes sense.

I'll try and find the source but someone did the math and figured out that on average a person on welfare with full benefits makes the equivalent to $25 an hour. Do you know what the number one health concern is among those on welfare? Obesity and other weight related issues. That doesn't sound like a hungry motivated group of people.



I'll be honest here, I'm pretty skeptical. 

You find that source?



http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/1/6.full


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19113992 - 11/10/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's pretty much cheaper everywhere, especially if you find small produce stores and grow some of your own food. Most people just want that instant gratification though.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19114000 - 11/10/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
Quote:

Hammburgler said:
Do you know why  those are the top health concerns of the working poor? Because they typically can only afford cheap non nutritious foods that when eaten everyday cause health problems like obesity and diabetes. If you actually stopped and thought about something or did some research instead of automatically opening your mouth to spew the fucking venom you leave lying all over these forums you might have realized that high calorie non nutritious junk is a lot cheaper than veggies or fruit.






In California its cheaper to buy in the produce section and eat fresh produce and fruit rather than processed crap.



only if you think in the long term. Most people don't have the mental capacity for delayed gratification though. You can spend one dollar on a burger or spend a few dollars on bulk beans and rice and eat for pennies each meal.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114021 - 11/10/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
Quote:

Synthe said:
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psyconaught said:


i don't think most people NEED it. Its just easier to stay on the government tit than get a real job. And sure from a self centered survivalist stand point it makes sense.

I'll try and find the source but someone did the math and figured out that on average a person on welfare with full benefits makes the equivalent to $25 an hour. Do you know what the number one health concern is among those on welfare? Obesity and other weight related issues. That doesn't sound like a hungry motivated group of people.



I'll be honest here, I'm pretty skeptical. 

You find that source?



http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/1/6.full



Where does it say welfare pays $25/hour tho?

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starfire_xes said:
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Hammburgler said:
Do you know why  those are the top health concerns of the working poor? Because they typically can only afford cheap non nutritious foods that when eaten everyday cause health problems like obesity and diabetes. If you actually stopped and thought about something or did some research instead of automatically opening your mouth to spew the fucking venom you leave lying all over these forums you might have realized that high calorie non nutritious junk is a lot cheaper than veggies or fruit.






In California its cheaper to buy in the produce section and eat fresh produce and fruit rather than processed crap.



only if you think in the long term. Most people don't have the mental capacity for delayed gratification though. You can spend one dollar on a burger or spend a few dollars on bulk beans and rice and eat for pennies each meal.



True that, but a lot of people think meal-to-meal instead of planning ahead a week. Not to mention, you can't really feed your kid rice and beans every night :shrug:


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114024 - 11/10/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Seriously, beans and rice with perhaps an onion, some garlic, and peppers. Cheap cheap cheap and very nutritious.

Heck, when squash is in season it's like ~20 cents a pound, sometimes less. Get an acorn squash, cut it in half and fill it with seasoned beans and rice- that feeds two people.
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True that, but a lot of people think meal-to-meal instead of planning ahead a week. Not to mention, you can't really feed your kid rice and beans every night




Everyone should plan their meals ahead, especily if you don't have a lot of money. Rice and beans is just an example. I have some inexpensive pork shoulder in my crock pot right now with some apples and onions. That will feed me for a while with some collard greens, etc.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: setb]
    #19114027 - 11/10/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good thought, but I can't imagine eating it more than a few times in a row without getting really sick of the taste.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: setb]
    #19114037 - 11/10/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I live in one of the most expensive places in the country.  I can buy a whole roast chicken at the super market for $6.  It is better than I can make at home without getting fancy.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Synthe]
    #19114079 - 11/10/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Seriously? Your augment against eating health and cheaply is that the kids might get picky? Fuck that, if your poor eat what you can afford. I survive because i eat cheaply and well.

heres the source, i thought you were asking for a source on the obesity statement.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/02/on-labor-day-2013-welfare-pays-more-than-minimum-wage-work-in-35-states/

i apologize for the generalized statement that all states were 25 an hour. Just some, though most states it appears are around 15 or more an hour


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114087 - 11/10/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Reply to fail.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19114089 - 11/10/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh really? Is that why the cost of living has gone up so much over the last 30 years? Because companies are able to keep their costs down and therefore their prices so that they can benefit the consumer? Dont even attempt to say that people make more money now and it evens out because that would be untrue.

Where does 7.25 an hour feed you,keep a roof over your head,pay the bills and cover transportation? lets do the math. 7.25 an hour will let you bring home about 47 dollars a day after taxes which equals 235 dollars a week or $940 a month. I would imagine that the average person spends at least $200 monthly on food and that is assuming all food is cooked at home. If a person lives in the city and has access to public transportation a monthly transpass is about $100 per month. If that person does not have access to public transportation and needs a vehicle then gas at $3.80 a gallon costs about $60-70 a tank x2 tanks per month=$135. for gas + at the very least $40 for insurance=$175 not counting general maintenance.
Rent, because a person who makes minimum wage simply does not own a house. Since I live in philadelphia and there are hundreds of thousands of people making minimum wage here making it relevant I will use data from todays newspaper. Ok...get this, if you want to live in the absolute worst drug infested and dangerous part of the city rent is $550 for a 1 br appt.
Are you still doing the math? right now we are down to $15 and we haven't even started on gas, electric, phone, medicine, clothing or very importantly education. I say education because you seem to be very big on people removing themselves from the "government tit" and it is quite difficult to do that when you don't learn any new skills.
Now I know all this must be shocking to you and you probably think I'm just fudging the numbers to support my case but I assure you the opposite is true. I wish it didn't cost so much just to survive but it does. And just in case you think the quote for rent I stated is relevant only to Philadelphia I urge you to investigate other cities across the U.S like NY, CHI, LA and then imagine the millions of people who work at your Wallmarts, Targets, Macys, Grocery stores and restaurants making minimum wage who have to keep a roof over their heads and ask yourself if you were in that situation if you would be "on the government tit".
Also did you not read the part where the guy is considering contributing more to his IRA to reduce his taxable income or are you just one of those guys who only remembers the parts that pump up their own hate filled agenda?


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    #19114148 - 11/10/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Reply to fail.




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    #19114163 - 11/10/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Hammburgler said:
Oh really? Is that why the cost of living has gone up so much over the last 30 years? Because companies are able to keep their costs down and therefore their prices so that they can benefit the consumer? Dont even attempt to say that people make more money now and it evens out because that would be untrue.

Where does 7.25 an hour feed you,keep a roof over your head,pay the bills and cover transportation? lets do the math. 7.25 an hour will let you bring home about 47 dollars a day after taxes which equals 235 dollars a week or $940 a month. I would imagine that the average person spends at least $200 monthly on food and that is assuming all food is cooked at home. If a person lives in the city and has access to public transportation a monthly transpass is about $100 per month. If that person does not have access to public transportation and needs a vehicle then gas at $3.80 a gallon costs about $60-70 a tank x2 tanks per month=$135. for gas + at the very least $40 for insurance=$175 not counting general maintenance.
Rent, because a person who makes minimum wage simply does not own a house. Since I live in philadelphia and there are hundreds of thousands of people making minimum wage here making it relevant I will use data from todays newspaper. Ok...get this, if you want to live in the absolute worst drug infested and dangerous part of the city rent is $550 for a 1 br appt.
Are you still doing the math? right now we are down to $15 and we haven't even started on gas, electric, phone, medicine, clothing or very importantly education. I say education because you seem to be very big on people removing themselves from the "government tit" and it is quite difficult to do that when you don't learn any new skills.
Now I know all this must be shocking to you and you probably think I'm just fudging the numbers to support my case but I assure you the opposite is true. I wish it didn't cost so much just to survive but it does. And just in case you think the quote for rent I stated is relevant only to Philadelphia I urge you to investigate other cities across the U.S like NY, CHI, LA and then imagine the millions of people who work at your Wallmarts, Targets, Macys, Grocery stores and restaurants making minimum wage who have to keep a roof over their heads and ask yourself if you were in that situation if you would be "on the government tit".
Also did you not read the part where the guy is considering contributing more to his IRA to reduce his taxable income or are you just one of those guys who only remembers the parts that pump up their own hate filled agenda?



i know plenty of people who survive on mim wage. Walk to work, don't own a car, get a room mate. Move to a cheaper fucking city, start your own business. Theres plenty of option.

Unlike you i don't think people are useless pieces of shit who need the government to hold their hand in order to live.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19114284 - 11/10/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh really? Is that why the cost of living has gone up so much over the last 30 years? Because companies are able to keep their costs down and therefore their prices so that they can benefit the consumer? Dont even attempt to say that people make more money now and it evens out because that would be untrue.




Costs have not gone up over the last 30 years relative to wages.  Stop whining
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Where does 7.25 an hour feed you,keep a roof over your head,pay the bills and cover transportation? lets do the math. 7.25 an hour will let you bring home about 47 dollars a day after taxes which equals 235 dollars a week or $940 a month. I would imagine that the average person spends at least $200 monthly on food and that is assuming all food is cooked at home. If a person lives in the city and has access to public transportation a monthly transpass is about $100 per month. If that person does not have access to public transportation and needs a vehicle then gas at $3.80 a gallon costs about $60-70 a tank x2 tanks per month=$135. for gas + at the very least $40 for insurance=$175 not counting general maintenance.




Where does it do that?  Most of the country.  Why should you have a car if you suck so much that make minimum wage?
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Rent, because a person who makes minimum wage simply does not own a house. Since I live in philadelphia and there are hundreds of thousands of people making minimum wage here making it relevant I will use data from todays newspaper. Ok...get this, if you want to live in the absolute worst drug infested and dangerous part of the city rent is $550 for a 1 br appt.




There you go.  You live in Philly, a rather expensive city.  Why should people in Iowa be under the same rules as you.  And oh by the way, if all you can earn in Philly is minimum wage maybe you should consider one of two things.  Moving or making more money.  Clearly there is some suckitude going on, either you are making a bad decision about where to live within your means or you are making a bad decision about how to met your needs.
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Are you still doing the math? right now we are down to $15 and we haven't even started on gas, electric, phone, medicine, clothing or very importantly education. I say education because you seem to be very big on people removing themselves from the "government tit" and it is quite difficult to do that when you don't learn any new skills.




I suggest you learn new skills working on a construction crew.  You get paid while you learn and it is more than minimum wage.
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Now I know all this must be shocking to you and you probably think I'm just fudging the numbers to support my case but I assure you the opposite is true. I wish it didn't cost so much just to survive but it does. And just in case you think the quote for rent I stated is relevant only to Philadelphia I urge you to investigate other cities across the U.S like NY, CHI, LA and then imagine the millions of people who work at your Wallmarts, Targets, Macys, Grocery stores and restaurants making minimum wage who have to keep a roof over their heads and ask yourself if you were in that situation if you would be "on the government tit".




Yes, I know.  They are all expensive.  Why do you think you have a right to have your residence in those expensive places subsidized?
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Also did you not read the part where the guy is considering contributing more to his IRA to reduce his taxable income or are you just one of those guys who only remembers the parts that pump up their own hate filled agenda?




He is considering changing his taxable income to get on the dole.  That is all that needs to be pointed out.  Bums and BumCare.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114290 - 11/10/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Hammburgler said:
Oh really? Is that why the cost of living has gone up so much over the last 30 years? Because companies are able to keep their costs down and therefore their prices so that they can benefit the consumer? Dont even attempt to say that people make more money now and it evens out because that would be untrue.

Where does 7.25 an hour feed you,keep a roof over your head,pay the bills and cover transportation? lets do the math. 7.25 an hour will let you bring home about 47 dollars a day after taxes which equals 235 dollars a week or $940 a month. I would imagine that the average person spends at least $200 monthly on food and that is assuming all food is cooked at home. If a person lives in the city and has access to public transportation a monthly transpass is about $100 per month. If that person does not have access to public transportation and needs a vehicle then gas at $3.80 a gallon costs about $60-70 a tank x2 tanks per month=$135. for gas + at the very least $40 for insurance=$175 not counting general maintenance.
Rent, because a person who makes minimum wage simply does not own a house. Since I live in philadelphia and there are hundreds of thousands of people making minimum wage here making it relevant I will use data from todays newspaper. Ok...get this, if you want to live in the absolute worst drug infested and dangerous part of the city rent is $550 for a 1 br appt.
Are you still doing the math? right now we are down to $15 and we haven't even started on gas, electric, phone, medicine, clothing or very importantly education. I say education because you seem to be very big on people removing themselves from the "government tit" and it is quite difficult to do that when you don't learn any new skills.
Now I know all this must be shocking to you and you probably think I'm just fudging the numbers to support my case but I assure you the opposite is true. I wish it didn't cost so much just to survive but it does. And just in case you think the quote for rent I stated is relevant only to Philadelphia I urge you to investigate other cities across the U.S like NY, CHI, LA and then imagine the millions of people who work at your Wallmarts, Targets, Macys, Grocery stores and restaurants making minimum wage who have to keep a roof over their heads and ask yourself if you were in that situation if you would be "on the government tit".
Also did you not read the part where the guy is considering contributing more to his IRA to reduce his taxable income or are you just one of those guys who only remembers the parts that pump up their own hate filled agenda?



i know plenty of people who survive on mim wage. Walk to work, don't own a car, get a room mate. Move to a cheaper fucking city, start your own business. Theres plenty of option.

Unlike you i don't think people are useless pieces of shit who need the government to hold their hand in order to live.


Some of them are useless pieces of shit


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114317 - 11/10/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you can spout that shit all you want but facts are facts and your solutions are just not realistic alternatives to most people nor do they fit the economy of the country. I'm sure you are just going to come back at me with some more nonsense talk so dont be offended if I'm getting tired from having to explain how the world really works to people who have such limited experience and small world views as to infer that everyone can just pick up and leave to another lower costing city and it would all just work out you know...I just wont be replying unless of course someone has some hard facts that they can come up with that proves my assertions to be false.


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    #19114341 - 11/10/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh really? Is that why the cost of living has gone up so much over the last 30 years? Because companies are able to keep their costs down and therefore their prices so that they can benefit the consumer? Dont even attempt to say that people make more money now and it evens out because that would be untrue.

Where does 7.25 an hour feed you,keep a roof over your head,pay the bills and cover transportation? lets do the math. 7.25 an hour will let you bring home about 47 dollars a day after taxes which equals 235 dollars a week or $940 a month. I would imagine that the average person spends at least $200 monthly on food and that is assuming all food is cooked at home. If a person lives in the city and has access to public transportation a monthly transpass is about $100 per month. If that person does not have access to public transportation and needs a vehicle then gas at $3.80 a gallon costs about $60-70 a tank x2 tanks per month=$135. for gas + at the very least $40 for insurance=$175 not counting general maintenance.
Rent, because a person who makes minimum wage simply does not own a house. Since I live in philadelphia and there are hundreds of thousands of people making minimum wage here making it relevant I will use data from todays newspaper. Ok...get this, if you want to live in the absolute worst drug infested and dangerous part of the city rent is $550 for a 1 br appt.
Are you still doing the math? right now we are down to $15 and we haven't even started on gas, electric, phone, medicine, clothing or very importantly education. I say education because you seem to be very big on people removing themselves from the "government tit" and it is quite difficult to do that when you don't learn any new skills.
Now I know all this must be shocking to you and you probably think I'm just fudging the numbers to support my case but I assure you the opposite is true. I wish it didn't cost so much just to survive but it does. And just in case you think the quote for rent I stated is relevant only to Philadelphia I urge you to investigate other cities across the U.S like NY, CHI, LA and then imagine the millions of people who work at your Wallmarts, Targets, Macys, Grocery stores and restaurants making minimum wage who have to keep a roof over their heads and ask yourself if you were in that situation if you would be "on the government tit".
Also did you not read the part where the guy is considering contributing more to his IRA to reduce his taxable income or are you just one of those guys who only remembers the parts that pump up their own hate filled agenda?



i know plenty of people who survive on mim wage. Walk to work, don't own a car, get a room mate. Move to a cheaper fucking city, start your own business. Theres plenty of option.

Unlike you i don't think people are useless pieces of shit who need the government to hold their hand in order to live.


Some of them are useless pieces of shit



agreed. and they deserve what they put into society. My point was that requiring the government to hold your hand should not be an option.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19114345 - 11/10/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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you can spout that shit all you want but facts are facts and your solutions are just not realistic alternatives to most people nor do they fit the economy of the country. I'm sure you are just going to come back at me with some more nonsense talk so dont be offended if I'm getting tired from having to explain how the world really works to people who have such limited experience and small world views as to infer that everyone can just pick up and leave to another lower costing city and it would all just work out you know...I just wont be replying unless of course someone has some hard facts that they can come up with that proves my assertions to be false.



valid points were made and you run away? How about you form a coherent rebuttal so it looks like you have some intellectual honesty.

And if class mobility is as impossible as you seem to claim please explain to me how i came from poverty yet was able to make something better for myself?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19114346 - 11/10/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm all for doubling the Minimu Wage IF My Salary as an Electrical Engineer is doubled in the name of 'fairness' :smirk:

One problem with increaasing minimum wage is that it compresses wages--if you make wages the same for all skill levels, then mediocrity is awarded  If mediocrity is awarded, why should someone work hard and pay more for an education that gets them a higher position?  Out of kindness of their heart?  Then you are left with a situation where fewer and fewer people with the advanced skills are available, and society as a whole suffers.

What do you end up with in the end?  A society with a very large low income class, and a class of ruling elitists.


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    #19114356 - 11/10/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no there were 0 valid points made and your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances. All I read there is me me me and my world view centers around my personal experience and has nothing to do with the experience of other people who I do not know and can I get a cookie?
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    #19114359 - 11/10/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well you know what they say about leading a horse to water :shrug:


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    #19114363 - 11/10/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm all for doubling the Minimu Wage IF My Salary as an Electrical Engineer is doubled in the name of 'fairness' :smirk:

One problem with increaasing minimum wage is that it compresses wages--if you make wages the same for all skill levels, then mediocrity is awarded  If mediocrity is awarded, why should someone work hard and pay more for an education that gets them a higher position?  Out of kindness of their heart?  Then you are left with a situation where fewer and fewer people with the advanced skills are available, and society as a whole suffers.

What do you end up with in the end?  A society with a very large low income class, and a class of ruling elitists.



Ummmm I think you just described our country in the present.


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    #19114367 - 11/10/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm all for doubling the Minimu Wage IF My Salary as an Electrical Engineer is doubled in the name of 'fairness' :smirk:

One problem with increaasing minimum wage is that it compresses wages--if you make wages the same for all skill levels, then mediocrity is awarded  If mediocrity is awarded, why should someone work hard and pay more for an education that gets them a higher position?  Out of kindness of their heart?  Then you are left with a situation where fewer and fewer people with the advanced skills are available, and society as a whole suffers.

What do you end up with in the end?  A society with a very large low income class, and a class of ruling elitists.



Ummmm I think you just described our country in the present.



due to minimum wage and the welfare state :themoreyouknow:


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    #19114392 - 11/10/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm all for doubling the Minimu Wage IF My Salary as an Electrical Engineer is doubled in the name of 'fairness' :smirk:

One problem with increaasing minimum wage is that it compresses wages--if you make wages the same for all skill levels, then mediocrity is awarded  If mediocrity is awarded, why should someone work hard and pay more for an education that gets them a higher position?  Out of kindness of their heart?  Then you are left with a situation where fewer and fewer people with the advanced skills are available, and society as a whole suffers.

What do you end up with in the end?  A society with a very large low income class, and a class of ruling elitists.



Tru that, but a $10 minimum wage might not be "too much". You think $10 is "enough" that one would be happy with that forever and never try to advance to a higher level position/education? :shrug:


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    #19114410 - 11/10/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Seriously? Your augment against eating health and cheaply is that the kids might get picky? Fuck that, if your poor eat what you can afford. I survive because i eat cheaply and well.

heres the source, i thought you were asking for a source on the obesity statement.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/02/on-labor-day-2013-welfare-pays-more-than-minimum-wage-work-in-35-states/

i apologize for the generalized statement that all states were 25 an hour. Just some, though most states it appears are around 15 or more an hour



Oh holy fuck  :woooaaahhh:

And to think I thought you were exaggerating...



But on the other side, wouldn't this be a good reason to increase the minimum wage? Would welfare abusers not be more inclined to get a job if they could earn more than they collect?


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    #19114432 - 11/10/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it would be a better argument to reduce welfare


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    #19114448 - 11/10/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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it would be a better argument to reduce welfare



Well, not evenly. It should be representative of the cost of living in each state. For example, Texas may not have as high of a cost of living as NY, but the fact that the welfare benefits are like 25% of the amount means that if you reduced both equally then Texans on welfare wouldn't have enough to survive.

Well, perhaps it should be gradually reduced while gradually raising minimum wage, in both cases by a small amount (5-10%?)


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    #19114463 - 11/10/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i think welfare should be reduced across the board. Cost of living be damned. Eventually people will leave because they can't afford to live there. So shit holes like New York would have to become competitive by reducing cost of living and making it more attractive in order to draw people back.


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    #19114561 - 11/10/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i think welfare should be reduced across the board. Cost of living be damned. Eventually people will leave because they can't afford to live there. So shit holes like New York would have to become competitive by reducing cost of living and making it more attractive in order to draw people back.



That would tear peoples relationships with friends and family apart. A bit harsh, forcing people to pack up and move states away, don't you think?

I mean, how'd you like to be forced to move to a state you don't even want to live in and leave your friends/fam behind?


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    #19114592 - 11/10/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no one is forcing anyone to do anything. if you choose to live in an expensive city what do you expect?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19114696 - 11/10/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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no there were 0 valid points made and your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances. All I read there is me me me and my world view centers around my personal experience and has nothing to do with the experience of other people who I do not know and can I get a cookie?
Seriously though there were no valid points made.




It's funny because that is what I am reading from your posts- with a heavy dose of flaming and disrespect.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19115362 - 11/10/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A federal minimum wage is idiotic because of vastly different costs of living throughout the nation.  Even within states it is ridiculous.  Look at NY and California.  Look at NJ.  Some parts have $1,000 studios and some have $200 one BRs.  I don't support any minimum wage at all but I am even more opposed to a blanket one on the grounds that we are a wildly disparate nation.  Then there is the inevitable decrease of employment for losers that it will incur.  Isn't there enough unemployment among the losers already?  Way to disincentivize employers from hiring monkey asses.

If you have been in the work force for more than a year or two and still making minimum wage you really need to reconsider your work.  Because you are either grotesquely incompetent at what you do or you are too lazy to be relied on to show up.


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    #19115443 - 11/10/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances.



Except this is the land of opportunity. This is the land of milk and honey. The richest civilization in the history of mankind. Our "poor" are only poor by spoiled American standards. Based on their access to food, shelter, clothing, transportation, education, medicine,doctors, refrigeration, heating and yes even AIR CONDITIONING they are in fact wealthy by the standards of human history. Hell! You don't even have to go back that far they live in relative wealth in comparison  to much of the current world population. That is fact, it is not debatable.

So why should I feel empathy? For a bunch pathetic whining failures? No. I feel empathy for people with a realistic lack of opportunities. Like children born in Sub Sahara Africa, parts of India, China, North Korea. Don't t get me wrong, I feel no need to "fix" these problems either. Anyone who thinks they go around socially engineering, or "fixing" other peoples problems is a tyrant. But at least people in those regions have a legitimate complaint about lack of opportunity. Lazy American moochers on the other hand, fuck em,  they caught their break being born here. If they want to squander that away so be it, just don't expect me to have an outpouring of sympathy over it. Not only do I not empathize I hope as many die before procreation as possible so as to not muck up the genetic pool anymore then necessary.  Worthless scum. That is all


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I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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    #19115541 - 11/10/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Simplicitry said:
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Hammburgler said:
your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances.



Except this is the land of opportunity. This is the land of milk and honey. The richest civilization in the history of mankind. Our "poor" are only poor by spoiled American standards. Based on their access to food, shelter, clothing, transportation, education, medicine,doctors, refrigeration, heating and yes even AIR CONDITIONING they are in fact wealthy by the standards of human history. Hell! You don't even have to go back that far they live in relative wealth in comparison  to much of the current world population. That is fact, it is not debatable.

So why should I feel empathy? For a bunch pathetic whining failures? No. I feel empathy for people with a realistic lack of opportunities. Like children born in Sub Sahara Africa, parts of India, China, North Korea. Don't t get me wrong, I feel no need to "fix" these problems either. Anyone who thinks they go around socially engineering, or "fixing" other peoples problems is a tyrant. But at least people in those regions have a legitimate complaint about lack of opportunity. Lazy American moochers on the other hand, fuck em,  they caught their break being born here. If they want to squander that away so be it, just don't expect me to have an outpouring of sympathy over it. Not only do I not empathize I hope as many die before procreation as possible so as to not muck up the genetic pool anymore then necessary.  Worthless scum. That is all



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    #19115791 - 11/10/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Simplicitry said:
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Hammburgler said:
your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances.



Except this is the land of opportunity. This is the land of milk and honey. The richest civilization in the history of mankind. Our "poor" are only poor by spoiled American standards. Based on their access to food, shelter, clothing, transportation, education, medicine,doctors, refrigeration, heating and yes even AIR CONDITIONING they are in fact wealthy by the standards of human history. Hell! You don't even have to go back that far they live in relative wealth in comparison  to much of the current world population. That is fact, it is not debatable.

So why should I feel empathy? For a bunch pathetic whining failures? No. I feel empathy for people with a realistic lack of opportunities. Like children born in Sub Sahara Africa, parts of India, China, North Korea. Don't t get me wrong, I feel no need to "fix" these problems either. Anyone who thinks they go around socially engineering, or "fixing" other peoples problems is a tyrant. But at least people in those regions have a legitimate complaint about lack of opportunity. Lazy American moochers on the other hand, fuck em,  they caught their break being born here. If they want to squander that away so be it, just don't expect me to have an outpouring of sympathy over it. Not only do I not empathize I hope as many die before procreation as possible so as to not muck up the genetic pool anymore then necessary.  Worthless scum. That is all



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only its really not the country you have been led to believe it is.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19115812 - 11/10/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Hammburgler said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Simplicitry said:
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Hammburgler said:
your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances.



Except this is the land of opportunity. This is the land of milk and honey. The richest civilization in the history of mankind. Our "poor" are only poor by spoiled American standards. Based on their access to food, shelter, clothing, transportation, education, medicine,doctors, refrigeration, heating and yes even AIR CONDITIONING they are in fact wealthy by the standards of human history. Hell! You don't even have to go back that far they live in relative wealth in comparison  to much of the current world population. That is fact, it is not debatable.

So why should I feel empathy? For a bunch pathetic whining failures? No. I feel empathy for people with a realistic lack of opportunities. Like children born in Sub Sahara Africa, parts of India, China, North Korea. Don't t get me wrong, I feel no need to "fix" these problems either. Anyone who thinks they go around socially engineering, or "fixing" other peoples problems is a tyrant. But at least people in those regions have a legitimate complaint about lack of opportunity. Lazy American moochers on the other hand, fuck em,  they caught their break being born here. If they want to squander that away so be it, just don't expect me to have an outpouring of sympathy over it. Not only do I not empathize I hope as many die before procreation as possible so as to not muck up the genetic pool anymore then necessary.  Worthless scum. That is all



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only its really not the country you have been led to believe it is.



really? I see opportunity every where. Every year we have new self made millionaires who saw opportunity and seized it.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19115842 - 11/10/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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only its really not the country you have been led to believe it is.




Led to believe?:lolsy:I'm 56 years old.  It is the country I have seen it is.  I am long removed from having had to rely on people telling me that things are how they want me to believe they are.


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    #19115895 - 11/10/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I live in one of the most expensive places in the country.  I can buy a whole roast chicken at the super market for $6.  It is better than I can make at home without getting fancy.





Whole roasted chickens are probably one of the only things sold in a grocery store for a loss.


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    #19115978 - 11/10/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Hammburgler said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Simplicitry said:
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Hammburgler said:
your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances.



Except this is the land of opportunity. This is the land of milk and honey. The richest civilization in the history of mankind. Our "poor" are only poor by spoiled American standards. Based on their access to food, shelter, clothing, transportation, education, medicine,doctors, refrigeration, heating and yes even AIR CONDITIONING they are in fact wealthy by the standards of human history. Hell! You don't even have to go back that far they live in relative wealth in comparison  to much of the current world population. That is fact, it is not debatable.

So why should I feel empathy? For a bunch pathetic whining failures? No. I feel empathy for people with a realistic lack of opportunities. Like children born in Sub Sahara Africa, parts of India, China, North Korea. Don't t get me wrong, I feel no need to "fix" these problems either. Anyone who thinks they go around socially engineering, or "fixing" other peoples problems is a tyrant. But at least people in those regions have a legitimate complaint about lack of opportunity. Lazy American moochers on the other hand, fuck em,  they caught their break being born here. If they want to squander that away so be it, just don't expect me to have an outpouring of sympathy over it. Not only do I not empathize I hope as many die before procreation as possible so as to not muck up the genetic pool anymore then necessary.  Worthless scum. That is all



A championship post



only its really not the country you have been led to believe it is.



Elaborate if you will


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I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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    #19115989 - 11/10/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I live in one of the most expensive places in the country.  I can buy a whole roast chicken at the super market for $6.  It is better than I can make at home without getting fancy.





Whole roasted chickens are probably one of the only things sold in a grocery store for a loss.




So?


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    #19116006 - 11/10/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Elaborate if you will



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Whole roasted chickens are probably one of the only things sold in a grocery store for a loss.




So?




It's called a fact.  I understand they are hard for you to comprehend.


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    #19116032 - 11/10/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It describes opportunity for all with no guaranteed outcome but a chance.  That's all you get.  A chance.  Almost anybody who tries can succeed to at least a reasonable extent.  If you produce you can be successful.  If you don't you can fuck off.  Pay particular attention to that last.


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    #19116083 - 11/10/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Elaborate if you will



The American Dream is just that - a dream.



I hope this isn't the best you have. Please elaborate how this relates to what I was discussing with the other forum member


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I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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Simplicitry said:
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Elaborate if you will



The American Dream is just that - a dream.



I hope this isn't the best you have. Please elaborate how this relates to what I was discussing with the other forum member



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Synthe said:
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Simplicitry said:


Elaborate if you will



The American Dream is just that - a dream.



I hope this isn't the best you have. Please elaborate how this relates to what I was discussing with the other forum member



:smug:



Yeah, I figured


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I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19116338 - 11/10/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Whole roasted chickens are probably one of the only things sold in a grocery store for a loss.




So?




It's called a fact.  I understand they are hard for you to comprehend.




It doesn't matter to this argument.  You can buy a whole roasted chicken for about $6.  That's a fact as well.

Do you have proof that supermarkets lose money on their whole roasted chickens?  Because "probably" isn't usually something ascribed as "fact".  It is a fact that there is a probability value assigned to the postulate that they lose money on roast chickens but do you have evidence that it is in fact true?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19116435 - 11/10/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Actually the probability value was in regards to how many other products are being sold at a loss in a grocery store.


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    #19116462 - 11/10/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually the probability value was in regards to how many other products are being sold at a loss in a grocery store.




Oh so you know that they definitely are being sold at a loss.  Please, show me.


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    #19130583 - 11/13/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It is pretty well known that roasted chickens are loss leaders. It is one of the staples of loss leader diets, the diet of the ridiculously frugal.


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    #19131043 - 11/13/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It is pretty well known that roasted chickens are loss leaders. It is one of the staples of loss leader diets, the diet of the ridiculously frugal.



Assuming for the sake of argument that the supermarkets lose money on the chickens (fact not in evidence), so what? The fact remains that they are ubiquitous, have been so since forever, and show no sign of waning in availability. If they fall out of fashion, something else will take their place. It is important to note that even if a supermarket is losing a bit of money per chicken sold, it is no skin off anyone's nose. Taxpayers aren't on the hook for the loss. It is a purely voluntary service supermarkets choose to provide of their own free will to the "ridiculously frugal".

The point is that a near-universally-available meat source, coupled with rice and beans and some inexpensive seasoning will provide a family of four with a filling, nutritious, delicious dinner for a lower cost per person than any fast food restaurant can provide.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Phred]
    #19131058 - 11/13/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All I was doing was pointing it out, and now you all are fucking arguing about it.  Holy shit.  Chill the fuck out people.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19131160 - 11/13/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You made an unsupported claim that roast chickens are sold at a loss. What's your point? Or - as zappaisgod immediately put it - So?


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    #19131285 - 11/13/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't realize giving a random fact needed to have a point.  Next time you're at the grocery store, look at the price of a pre-cooked roasted chicken, then find a raw chicken of a comparable weight and look at the prices.


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    #19131332 - 11/13/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I didn't realize giving a random fact needed to have a point.  Next time you're at the grocery store, look at the price of a pre-cooked roasted chicken, then find a raw chicken of a comparable weight and look at the prices.



bears shit in the woods. See how giving pointless facts with no context is a waste of space?

And your little experiment doesn't prove shit. You don't know the markup on either item, nor do you know what kind of supply chain the grocery stores get. Maybe they mark up raw chickens because they know people will pay more. Maybe they get the cooked chickens in larger batches because they go quicker therefore they are cheaper.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19131388 - 11/13/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Except nobody is talking about bears shitting in the woods in the thread...


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I didn't realize giving a random fact needed to have a point




random is random. If you are saying random shit with no intention of adding any substance to the conversation why bring it up?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19131469 - 11/13/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I thought it added something to the discussion.  If you don't like my posts, you can put me on ignore.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19131725 - 11/13/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I thought it added something to the discussion.



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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19131732 - 11/13/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, that was an opinion.  I realize you struggle with the differences, so I won't hold it against you.


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    #19131747 - 11/13/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually, that was an opinion.  I realize you struggle with the differences, so I won't hold it against you.




That you added something was an opinion.  That you thought so was a fact.  I can't believe that even you didn't know your posts were pointless trolling.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19131812 - 11/13/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Are you only engaging in such drivel because your thread went nowhere because you can't stitch together a coherent argument against "bumcare?"


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    #19131834 - 11/13/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There are plenty of valid arguments that have been presented.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19132580 - 11/13/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

if 0 is plenty then i agree...


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19146294 - 11/16/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

62k a year is poor? Holy shit that sounds like good money to me most people I know make 30k a year an that's decent money here shit I need to move fuck michigan


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    #19151425 - 11/17/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I get my chicken from Kentucky Fried!


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    #19151447 - 11/17/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Zappa, you might be a little out of touch about what it's like these days starting out in the workplace. But I agree we should make it more difficult on the whining losers that cook our fucking chicken.


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    #19151518 - 11/17/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Zappa, you might be a little out of touch about what it's like these days starting out in the workplace. But I agree we should make it more difficult on the whining losers that cook our fucking chicken.



he's not that out of touch. I graduated high school this year and had a $15 an hour job at a business consultancy two weeks after graduation.


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