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Kizzle
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Re: Supplemental nutritional additives in cakes~ [Re: Hierophant]
#19095893 - 11/06/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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f that is true than how would you explain the results of the study posted above? simply an anomaly
Potency varies between strains, flushes, even individual mushrooms, with or without supplementation.
Ask yourself this. Why do the mushrooms contain far more psilocybin/psilocin than the mycelium? And why does mycelium produce no actives during colonization?
The simple answer is because genetics determine when, where, and how much are produced. It's not because there was no tryptophan in the substrate before that point. The excess is stored not automatically turned into actives.
As for typtamine the excess is broken down and then stored.
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Hierophant
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Re: Supplemental nutritional additives in cakes~ [Re: Kagenical]
#19096187 - 11/06/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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True, they are different molecules and though I am not as knowledgeable in organic chemistry as I would like to be and have no way to test my assumption I think its possible that tryptophan is decarboxylated and converted into tryptamine as it is processed by mycelium and from there may be converted into psilocin and phosphorylated into psilocybin.
Thank you for bringing the lower levels of psilocybin in that study to my attention, I completely overlooked that. Still, the extreme increase in psilocin is peculiar, I wonder how such ratios would effect the experience.
I'm also interested to know more about your experiments. When you say there was no increase in potency was that conclusion come to experientially or did you actually measure the level of actives?
Also, I was under the impression that bluing was an indication of oxidation of alkaloids and that the darker the blueing reaction the higher the indole content.
Thank you for your post, I'm still learning and appreciate you sharing your knowledge on the subject.
Regardless of the issue of potency, I feel like the addition of a variety of nutrients does have benefits concerning the overall health and longevity of mycelium and the fruit bodies produced and that was the point of my original post, increased potency simply being a possibility. If you, or anyone else, have any other insights into the possible benefits of the cake ingredients I listed or other ingredients such as worm casings and the reasons for such benefits I would love to hear about them.
Thanks again, ~Peace~
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Hierophant
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Re: Supplemental nutritional additives in cakes~ [Re: Kizzle]
#19096265 - 11/06/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kizzle said:
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f that is true than how would you explain the results of the study posted above? simply an anomaly
Potency varies between strains, flushes, even individual mushrooms, with or without supplementation.
Ask yourself this. Why do the mushrooms contain far more psilocybin/psilocin than the mycelium? And why does mycelium produce no actives during colonization?
The simple answer is because genetics determine when, where, and how much are produced. It's not because there was no tryptophan in the substrate before that point. The excess is stored not automatically turned into actives.
As for typtamine the excess is broken down and then stored.
I understand what you're saying regarding genetics, the mechanism for the production of psychoactives in fungi is a genetic phenomenon. I wasn't implying that their production is dependent on the presence of tryptamine or trypophan in a substrate just that higher levels of those molecules in a substrate may act as precursors to psilocin and other related alkaloids resulting in higher levels of actives in fruit bodies.
-------------------- There is a golden book kept in my heart and guarded by my soul, written in Divine Light and bound with the veins of the Earth.
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