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OfflineFungi Tunic
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Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help?
    #19095691 - 11/06/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Heya folks, having some issues with fruiting my 2nd generation of BRF cakes in a SGFC.  After a successful first generation (on its third flush now) my second generation seems to have gone back into colonization mode after birthing on 10/21.

Immediately after being dunked and rolled they produced a rather thick outer growth that looked similar to mycelium.  They have, to date, only produced one fruit that is still slowly growing (veil break tomorrow I'd estimate).  0 other pins on any of the 3 cakes.  Within the last week they have started to discolor (grey, tan, blue, slight green) and they have a very faint unpleasant smell completely different from the normal shroom scent when sniffed up close.

I mist+fan 3x per day and just fan 3x in between. 

Changes since the first successful fruiting for Gen 1:

Added a light attached to SGFC on 12/12 cycle in correct spectrum rather than relying on ambient/room lights.

Added perlite to reach 5' and rehydrated/cleaned out tank.

Added a thermometer to tank - almost always right around 70F with minor fluctuations.

Questions:

Are these cakes contam'd?  I haven't been able to locate any similar pics in the "How it Should and Shouldn't Look" thread on these boards.

Could it be an FAE issue?  I believe my tank is correctly constructed/elevated, so no idea what could be causing it if so...Should I add more holes/decrease the amount of perlite?  I'm seeing a few fuzzy stipes on my first generation as well (same tank).

Any ideas on how to get the other two cakes (pictured) to fruit?  Getting very concerned with the discoloration and total lack of pins.  Black corner in the last pic is dropped spores.



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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: Fungi Tunic]
    #19095725 - 11/06/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Get that mold out of your FC and house! If it smells bad it is bad! Don't take another giant whiff of mold spores to make sure!


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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: Fungi Tunic]
    #19095738 - 11/06/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How often do you mist?
How much condensation do you get?

can you take a pic of your sgfc?

Looks dry to me. Although idk if that explains the weird growth of blue myc : /


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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19095808 - 11/06/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ugh, it looks almost exactly like the bruising that occurred on the first generation after dunking.  Can I get a second confirmation if this is mold before I tear everything apart and spend hours sanitizing?

I mist 3x per day, so about every 4 hours.  Decent amount of condensation followed by 30-60 sec of fanning.  Pics of setup below.



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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: Fungi Tunic]
    #19095827 - 11/06/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Definately wait for a tc or someone with lots of good ratings before you destroy it. I am new at this but if you search bad smell every time it comes up get rid of it


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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: Fungi Tunic]
    #19095830 - 11/06/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

too much fae combined with low temps could be messing with your humidity.

Wait for a better source than me to tell you what to do.


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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19096168 - 11/06/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks guys, appreciate the input.  Anyone else mind taking a look to verify contams/no contams and provide insight on FAE?


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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19096196 - 11/06/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MUSH HEAD420 said:
How much condensation do you get?



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Fungi Tunic said:
I mist 3x per day, so about every 4 hours.  Decent amount of condensation followed by 30-60 sec of fanning.  Pics of setup below.



SGFCs do not get condensation.

The only water on the walls should be water you put there.

And that is not condensation.

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Wait for a better source than me to tell you what to do.



This is the best info you have gave all day.


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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19096255 - 11/06/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:havesomesantorum: lol


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    #19096260 - 11/06/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19096306 - 11/06/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe the OP has some air circulation that is dropping his RH if he isn't loosing it by having too many holes in the first place.

I think a tad bit of condensation is proof that you have high RH? But possibly not enough FAE.

Again I am admitting I am by no means as knowledgeable on this as you, instead of throwing insults and shit why not educate some mudafukees?


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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19096422 - 11/06/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think a tad bit of condensation is proof that you have high RH? But possibly not enough FAE.



No, the humidity cannot be too high, and no, condensation is from a temperature differential, not high humidity.

The air inside a SGFC should be the same temp as the air outside, so there can be no condensation.

If there is, the chamber was not built right.

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Again I am admitting I am by no means as knowledgeable on this as you, instead of throwing insults and shit why not educate some mudafukees?



No advice is better than bad advice.

I have no idea what is growing on those cakes...at the very least I would isolate them.


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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19096453 - 11/06/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No, the humidity cannot be too high, and no, condensation is from a temperature differential, not high humidity.

The air inside a SGFC should be the same temp as the air outside, so there can be no condensation.

If there is, the chamber was not built right.






Makes sense, thanks for the insight.


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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19115537 - 11/10/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Update from today, that one fruit on the odd blue cakes veil broke today.  The inner stipe seemed bruised, also extremely thin velvet-like coating on bottom of stipe.  Entire length very hard and sort of woody.  Gonna dump all 3 cakes I think, they're making me nervous with their mystery growth and potential contamination - very weird.  Time to get sanitizing!


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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: Fungi Tunic]
    #19115648 - 11/10/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That chamber has waaaaaaaaay too many holes....any RH you've built up with the perlite or misting is getting drained right out.

Also, did you inoculate using a spore syringe? If so, then you're just experiencing poor genetics. I've been there. Bad stock won't fruit even if you throw it in the middle of a goddamn swamp.

And yes, that bluish-grey shit is no good. Your cakes should be as white as Santa's beard.


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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: redflackal]
    #19116335 - 11/10/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That chamber has waaaaaaaaay too many holes....any RH you've built up with the perlite or misting is getting drained right out.



You cannot have high humidity without lots of FAE, and there is NOT too many holes in that chamber.

The chamber looks built to spec, 1/4" holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides.


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Re: Bruising/Coloration Issues and lack of fruiting BRF Cakes - help? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19116481 - 11/10/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That looks way way bad toss it


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