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Why does my grow suck?
#19096165 - 11/06/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18890436/page/1/fpart/2/vc/1
That was my first mono tub. I got a print from a member and used coco husk instead of coir and got an awesome pinset of mushrooms that grew mostly mutated, with veils non existent and not getting very big. I harvested during the first flush because I figured the substrate was over hydrated or that particular multispore just sucked. I have been trying to follow Franks teks and have no problems until fruiting.
This is my most recent tub, 4 L colonized rye, 7 L coir/gypsum/verm. I have mutants that look like caps growing from nothing and everything looks generally shitty. I have a small fan in the closet with my tub, the polyfil is looser at the tops then the sides but it's not too tight anywhere. I get evaporation rings around the top holes in the tub. Temps have been slightly lower than I'd like but that doesn't explain the first grow. Bad luck with genetics from the spore print? I made isolations of the most rhizomorphic growth to get to these cultures.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
#19096232 - 11/06/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Could it be possible that your cleaning supplies are causing mutations?
Could your sub be too wet?
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I went pretty easy on water this time. Used less water then called for for the coir brick and then added dry verm. It was kind of like prepared rye grain in that it didn't look or feel too wet but it was hydrated. Cleaning supplies would be rubbing alcohol or bleach I use lysol like once a month. There's a possibility they've been exposed to a tiny bit of pot or crank smoke but the door is always closed. Maybe stale air? It's a very small tub in a space that could probably hold 20 tubs the same size.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
#19096568 - 11/06/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stale air is very bad. I grow in a big 10' x 8' closet, and the air in there would even get too stale so I installed a bathroom exhaust fan in the ceiling and my grows have noticeably benefited.
I understand its probably not what you want to do since you're growing in a closet but if you can try to leave the door open as much as possible.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#19101674 - 11/07/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright I'll leave the door open. I feel like I'm so close. Pasteruization, colonization, inoculation, agar transfers all go so well. Since I built a flow hood I've had maybe 1% contamination. But fruiting for whatever reason has been so bad.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
#19101809 - 11/07/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did you ask the person you got the print from how likely it was that you got a print from a mutant?
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: Psilicon]
#19101941 - 11/07/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No I didn't think to. I shall.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: Psilicon]
#19102082 - 11/07/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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van der griegen said: Did you ask the person you got the print from how likely it was that you got a print from a mutant?
Spores from mutants do not have a higher chance of mutating.
If you have proof of this I would love to see it.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
#19102103 - 11/07/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm aware you have a bulk substrate and these posts are talking about cakes, but the logic may still apply if you have a highly nutritious substrate.
A super high spawn ratio may encourage the propensity for mutants.
I don't know if it's your problem, but thought I'd shoot it your way.
Could be genetics, but I don't think MS from a mutant greatly increases the potential for growing more mutants.
However, if you have a culture that produces mutants and you keep using it, you will keep growing mutants.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15503706#15503706
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So I have to ask, does anyone believe that mutants are a result of genetics, or environmental conditions?
Mostly genetics with cubensis, but an over-rich substrate is implicated in mutants with some species, such as shiitake.
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And also, do you think a print from a mutant mushroom would be more likely to yield mutants?
Not necessarily. A print has billions of spores, each with a unique DNA. A clone from mutants has a high probability of producing more mutants. RR
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RogerRabbit said: Two points.
1. Closets are horrible places to grow. Fresh air is far more important than humidity, as is correct temperature. Humidity is easy to maintain by simply misting more.
2. The biggest cause of mutants is failure to wait at least a week after full colonization before birthing the cakes. BRF cakes are too nutritious, thus they're prone to mutants much more than bulk substrates. By waiting the consolidation week, you allow the mycelium to digest more of the substrate, reducing the potential for mutants. RR
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RogerRabbit said: <They're mutant blobs and extremely common on brf cakes during first flush because they're so nutritious. They also appear on bulk substrates if one fails to wait at least a few days after full colonization before exposing to fruiting conditions. It's best to wait a week, or even two weeks after full colonization before exposing to fruiting conditions. RR
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RogerRabbit said: The most common cause of that is failure to wait at least a week after full colonization before removing from the jars and introducing to fruiting conditions. RR
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Well I do have a lot of rye compared to substrate (high spawn ratio?). And I didn't consolidate, like I said I followed Franks tek and he fruits right at 100% colonization. Maybe it's because there's so much sweet sweet rye.
edit: I know rye is pretty nutritious but now that I think about it, most of the jars that went in had been fully colonized at least a week.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: PussyFart]
#19103408 - 11/07/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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van der griegen said: Did you ask the person you got the print from how likely it was that you got a print from a mutant?
Spores from mutants do not have a higher chance of mutating.
If you have proof of this I would love to see it.
Spores from mutants do not usually have a higher chance of mutating, but of course mutations to shaping proteins and other parts of the genome directly related to replication, transcription or translation (rather than general cell upkeep) can obviously adversely affect mutation rates. Additionally, melanin partially prevents the creation of thymine dimers in mushrooms as well as in animals, so albinism and leucism can both cause an increase in mutation in environments with a non-negligible amount of UV light.
I don't think that's what you mean, though. I think you mean to tell me that having fucked up-looking parents doesn't necessarily mean an increased rate of fucked-up looking progeny. Sometimes that's true, when environmental factors causes deformities of the fungus, but that's not what a mutation is. Mutations are differences from the wild type phenotype or the normal genotype of a species, so necessarily a mutant is an organism that differs from the wild type on a genetic level. By definition, it's not a mutant unless the same behavior can be observed in either a clone or filial generations.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: Psilicon]
#19103470 - 11/07/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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van der griegen said: I don't think that's what you mean, though. I think you mean to tell me that having fucked up-looking parents doesn't necessarily mean an increased rate of fucked-up looking progeny.
Yes, that is what I mean, lol.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: PussyFart]
#19103491 - 11/07/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your FAE holes look a little small to me...the diameter of your FAE holes should be 3".
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MUSH HEAD420 said: Your FAE holes look a little small to me...the diameter of your FAE holes should be 3".
While I'm not arguing against 3" holes on monotubs I think 1.5 - 2 inches is pretty standard and people get good results with that.
Edit: Here's TL's 'one flush wonder' monotub where he advocates one inch holes https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14507008
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MUSH HEAD420 said: Your FAE holes look a little small to me...the diameter of your FAE holes should be 3".
Wow, more shitty/unresearched advice.....
I do not know of one other person who uses 3" holes in a monotub....
Usual size is between 1 and 2 inches....mine are all 1-1/4".....
Please top giving advice....you are not helping anyone.
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just makes no sense to me in the first place that we use like 8 holes filled with polyfill for monotubs and with sgfc we use like 10x that many holes uncovered and fan.
I know we use polyfill on monotubs because it is more likely to contam, but the difference in the amount of FAE seems substantial to me.
Can somebody clear this up for me?
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MUSH HEAD420 said: I know we use polyfill on monotubs because it is more likely to contam
You know very little my friend....fully colonize substrates are contam resistant.
The polyfil in monotubs is not meant to be any type of filter.....it regulates FAE and humidity.
Please stop talking about stuff you obviously do not understand.....no offense, but correcting you is becoming a full time job.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: PussyFart]
#19103574 - 11/08/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That was kind of harsh...sorry buddy....Ill stop....just please use the search function before posting...it really does help.
Sorry again.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: PussyFart]
#19103578 - 11/08/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess that we can get away with more FAE in SGFC because we constantly re-introduce moisture through misting.
BTW your tub is not fully colonized after birthing therefore at risk to contamination, maybe you should think before insulting my opinion.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: I guess that we can get away with more FAE in SGFC because we constantly re-introduce moisture through misting.
More FAE means more evaporation, which means more moisture in the air(humidity).
As heat and humidity rise out the top holes, air is pulled up thru the bottom holes and up thru the perlite.
This, as well as evaporation(from water we misted) humidify the SGFC.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: BTW your tub is not fully colonized after birthing therefore at risk to contamination, maybe you should think before insulting my opinion.
Pasteusrized substrate material is also contam resistant.
It was most likely spawned in open air, which means there are already millions of contams mixed into the substrate.
FAE early on doesn't really pose a contam risk as much as an early pinning trigger.....which is not good either, lol.
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Edited by PussyFart (11/08/13 12:09 AM)
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: PussyFart]
#19103631 - 11/08/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just remembered reading that polyfill helps to keep the moisture in during fruiting.
I forgot about the fact that FAE is not introduced until fruiting, I was distracted by my disdain for you. lol
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Sorry buddy...I can be a dick sometimes.....
I just hate mis-information......lol.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: I guess that we can get away with more FAE in SGFC because we constantly re-introduce moisture through misting.
BTW your tub is not fully colonized after birthing therefore at risk to contamination, maybe you should think before insulting my opinion.
Yes but colonization should be done without ANY polyfilled holes thus negating your entire argument. Fruiting conditions with polyfill are not introduced until after full colonization of a properly pasteurized substrate.
EDIT: Sorry, I was looking at a tab I had open from an hour ago. Didn't see this had already been responded to.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: I guess that we can get away with more FAE in SGFC because we constantly re-introduce moisture through misting.
BTW your tub is not fully colonized after birthing therefore at risk to contamination, maybe you should think before insulting my opinion.
Yes but colonization should be done without ANY polyfilled holes thus negating your entire argument. Fruiting conditions with polyfill are not introduced until after full colonization of a properly pasteurized substrate.
Already established that, thanks though.
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Edited original post. Sorry, wasn't trying to beat a dead horse.
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Looks like an air exchange problem. also looks like a bunch of aborted penis's; they are choking on their own co2.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: joshfor20]
#19104275 - 11/08/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn when I saw so many replies I was hopeful for more than bickering. I feel like the walls of the tub dry up so quickly that FAE can't be the problem. Maybe I'll loosen polyfil and mist to make up for it.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
#19104907 - 11/08/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bottom hole s should have very tight poly and top hole are loose.
What kind of spawn to sub ratio are you using?
Letting grains consolidate like cakes is not recommended. It's possible this is part of your problem.
I could be off track, but nobody else seems be helping either. I seriously doubt your mutants are related to FAE or RH.
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Bottom holes aren't as tight as possible but they're snug. Top holes super loose. 4:7 spawn sub.
Edit: grains weren't consolidated on purpose. Didn't havetime to spawn Edit edit: now I'm noticing blobs on the sides of the substrate.
Edited by jellyfish (11/08/13 04:05 PM)
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
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Looks like you have some crazy ass genetics goin' on. I even see an albino in there.
What's your light situation? color, wattage, placement, and schedule?
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I see 3-4 albinos.
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Harvested the aborts and grossest mutants. 112 fresh.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
#19131928 - 11/13/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The tub yesterday (after removing the weirdest aborts and mutants)


This guy was 32 grams. Not too weird looking, the cap is a bit strange and he grew downwards for some reason.

This other one is very strange.
 The connecting point on his two halves looks like messed up gill tissue or something.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
#19132088 - 11/13/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Need more FAE. Also I like the mutant I've never seen anything like this one before.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: PussyFart]
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wrong post: sorry
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In terms of FAE, for the past couple days the top holes have been entirely unplugged, the closet door has been open and air has been circulating and I have been misting to keep humidity up.
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SpitballJedi said: Could it be possible that your cleaning supplies are causing mutations?
Could your sub be too wet?
I thought you where supposed to avoid having water droplets like that because it causes aborts and no pinning. Correct me if im wrong, i just feel like I heard that some where.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: Tsukasa]
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TriGeoLight said: I thought you where supposed to avoid having water droplets like that because it causes aborts and no pinning. Correct me if im wrong, i just feel like I heard that some where.
Misting does not cause aborts, or everytime it rained in nature they would abort, but they flourish....
Mist the cakes/substrate directly with a fine mist until it glistens, then fan out the chamber.
There should always be tiny droplets of water on the substrate that are always trying to evaporate.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: PussyFart]
#19134756 - 11/14/13 04:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow that was an intense read. I just want to through this out there and suggest that maybe, just maybe....you got some bad genetics.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: Sockadin]
#19134946 - 11/14/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19102103#19102103
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SpitballJedi said: Could be genetics, but I don't think MS from a mutant greatly increases the potential for growing more mutants.
However, if you have a culture that produces mutants and you keep using it, you will keep growing mutants.
I agree. Could be genitics.
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Well things have been looking less and less strange. Caps are still weird and not really opening properly, (haven't seen any spores) However they look a whole ton better than the crazy mutants from last week. Looks like a lot of mono tub pics I've seen which makes me pretty happy as it's only my second attempt and my pin set is not too shabby (would have liked if they all developed at once though, no canopy for me). This leads me to believe the problem was either
a) overly nutritious substrate -I had a very high ratio of rye which is pretty nutritious and as time went on and nutrients were consumed, mutation issues lessened.
b) not enough FAE -as I began to care less and less about the tub I would play with the polyfill less. At first I made sure that the bottom 4 holes were tight, and the top holes were loose with evaporation lines on the sides with the top holes and only a circle of dryness around each bottom hole. As my temps fluctuated in my apartment quite a bit, and they got more FAE when I was home then out, this required constant tampering with the polyfill. As walls would either dry up or evaporation wouldn't seem to happen at all (no rings around bottom holes, no lines from top holes). I eventually stopped caring that the walls would dry up and just opened both top holes completely. At first I would mist when the walls dried up but when I picked the first batch of mutants I noticed the substrate was pretty moist so I stopped. They get a ton of FAE, and no misting, walls are dry and they don't seem to mind at all (sub still is moist).
I think genetics is still at play here since a lot of the caps are strange and when the veil rips, instead of the cap opening up, it darkens and stops growing as if it chose the last moments of its life to abort.
What do you all think?
Pics to come shortly!!!
Personal side note: So depressing, I'm moving back with family very soon so I have to toss this tub and my 10 colonized rye jars within the next couple days. I hate killing things. Even fungus. Was hoping for prints to save for my next opportunity but these guys are so weird.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
#19175507 - 11/22/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Couple of days ago. They seem to be getting less deformed with time. That flush was 850 g. Forgot to take pics at time of harvest and I'm not going to try for another flush so I guess this thread is done. Wish I had a solid explanation.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
#19177718 - 11/23/13 04:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh I missed the part were you said you were growing PE. Good job buddy! I hear around the web that mutants are really common on the first flush of PE. Im no expert, it is one of the strains I have not messed with. Frank is the resident expert on PE. Well he is generally the resident expert on all of this, but PE specifically.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: Sockadin]
#19178349 - 11/23/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Awesome pics bud!! Looks like whatever it was you have started to fix it. P.E. is a very interesting and dificult strain to master so keep it up.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: joshfor20]
#19178369 - 11/23/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also P.E. is notorious for having caps that don't open withe little to no spores. for the most part the new flush looks almost normal; at least more so than before.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: joshfor20]
#19178386 - 11/23/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would swallow your penis, good job!
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: Sockadin]
#19179289 - 11/23/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Oh I missed the part were you said you were growing PE. Good job buddy! I hear around the web that mutants are really common on the first flush of PE. Im no expert, it is one of the strains I have not messed with. Frank is the resident expert on PE. Well he is generally the resident expert on all of this, but PE specifically.
He never said they were PE I was just guessing by the way they looked. are the PE?
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: joshfor20]
#19180315 - 11/23/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Golden teacher. I just figured since a cube is a cube maybe the same rules with mutants could apply.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
#19220071 - 12/02/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I kept it for one final flush. Forgot to take a pic before I started picking though.

So I guess my grow didn't suck. 1st flush: all weird mutants 112g second flush: 600 fresh third flush: 800 fresh fourth flush:500 fresh. First monotub. Not sure how it compares to other peoples yields but way more than I expected.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
#19220095 - 12/02/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hurrah! And thanks for the update. Everyone loves a happy ending.
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: Psilicon]
#19220154 - 12/02/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea feels better now. Complete.
Between the 3rd and 4th flushes I dunked the tub by first running string across the tub in and out the opposite substrate level air holes and taping it to the side of the tub, and then filling the tub with coldish tap water up to just before the lower holes. The string was so the substrate didn't float. The water was poured out about 6-7 hours later. I was originally trying to follow Franks tek in terms of looking at the condensation around the air holes and adjusting polyfill accordingly but things became a lot more automated with I just unplugged both top holes, let the walls of the tub look entire dry, and just made sure the substrate surface glistened with moisture but didn't have any water pooling. I'd mist when I had my heater on in my place as the air gets dry. Again I'm not even sure if this is an amazing yield for 7 L coir/verm/gypsum with a bit of rye spawn but the last thing I did other than a fail coco husk attempt was cakes (years ago). And casing straight rye with verm/peat moss (years ago too). Didn't work so well...
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
#19220678 - 12/03/13 04:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Overall weight sounds darn great! Great job!!!
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