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OfflinePussyFart
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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: Tsukasa]
    #19134330 - 11/14/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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TriGeoLight said:
I thought you where supposed to avoid having water droplets like that because it causes aborts and no pinning. Correct me if im wrong, i just feel like I heard that some where.



Misting does not cause aborts, or everytime it rained in nature they would abort, but they flourish....

Mist the cakes/substrate directly with a fine mist until it glistens, then fan out the chamber.

There should always be tiny droplets of water on the substrate that are always trying to evaporate.


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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19134756 - 11/14/13 04:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Wow that was an intense read. I just want to through this out there and suggest that maybe, just maybe....you got some bad genetics.


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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: Sockadin]
    #19134946 - 11/14/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19102103#19102103
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Could be genetics, but I don't think MS from a mutant greatly increases the potential for growing more mutants.

However, if you have a culture that produces mutants and you keep using it, you will keep growing mutants.



I agree. Could be genitics.


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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19166943 - 11/20/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well things have been looking less and less strange. Caps are still weird and not really opening properly, (haven't seen any spores) However they look a whole ton better than the crazy mutants from last week. Looks like a lot of mono tub pics I've seen which makes me pretty happy as it's only my second attempt and my pin set is not too shabby (would have liked if they all developed at once though, no canopy for me). This leads me to believe the problem was either

a) overly nutritious substrate
-I had a very high ratio of rye which is pretty nutritious and as time went on and nutrients were consumed, mutation issues lessened.

b) not enough FAE
-as I began to care less and less about the tub I would play with the polyfill less. At first I made sure that the bottom 4 holes were tight, and the top holes were loose with evaporation lines on the sides with the top holes and only a circle of dryness around each bottom hole. As my temps fluctuated in my apartment quite a bit, and they got more FAE when I was home then out, this required constant tampering with the polyfill. As walls would either dry up or evaporation wouldn't seem to happen at all (no rings around bottom holes, no lines from top holes).
I eventually stopped caring that the walls would dry up and just opened both top holes completely. At first I would mist when the walls dried up but when I picked the first batch of mutants I noticed the substrate was pretty moist so I stopped. They get a ton of FAE, and no misting, walls are dry and they don't seem to mind at all (sub still is moist).

I think genetics is still at play here since a lot of the caps are strange and when the veil rips, instead of the cap opening up, it darkens and stops growing as if it chose the last moments of its life to abort.

What do you all think?

Pics to come shortly!!!

Personal side note:
So depressing, I'm moving back with family very soon so I have to toss this tub and my 10 colonized rye jars within the next couple days. I hate killing things. Even fungus. Was hoping for prints to save for my next opportunity but these guys are so weird.


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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
    #19175507 - 11/22/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Couple of days ago. They seem to be getting less deformed with time. That flush was 850 g. Forgot to take pics at time of harvest and I'm not going to try for another flush so I guess this thread is done. Wish I had a solid explanation.



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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
    #19177718 - 11/23/13 04:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh I missed the part were you said you were growing PE.  Good job buddy! I hear around the web that mutants are really common on the first flush of PE. Im no expert, it is one of the strains I have not messed with. Frank is the resident expert on PE.  Well he is generally the resident expert on all of this, but PE specifically.


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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: Sockadin]
    #19178349 - 11/23/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome pics bud!! Looks like whatever it was you have started to fix it. P.E. is a very interesting and dificult strain to master so keep it up.


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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: joshfor20]
    #19178369 - 11/23/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Also P.E. is notorious for having caps that don't open withe little to no spores. for the most part the new flush looks almost normal; at least more so than before.


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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: joshfor20]
    #19178386 - 11/23/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I would swallow your penis, good job!


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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: Sockadin]
    #19179289 - 11/23/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh I missed the part were you said you were growing PE.  Good job buddy! I hear around the web that mutants are really common on the first flush of PE. Im no expert, it is one of the strains I have not messed with. Frank is the resident expert on PE.  Well he is generally the resident expert on all of this, but PE specifically.



He never said they were PE I was just guessing by the way they looked. are the PE?


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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: joshfor20]
    #19180315 - 11/23/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Golden teacher. I just figured since a cube is a cube maybe the same rules with mutants could apply.


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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
    #19220071 - 12/02/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well I kept it for one final flush. Forgot to take a pic before I started picking though.



So I guess my grow didn't suck.
1st flush: all weird mutants 112g
second flush: 600 fresh
third flush: 800  fresh
fourth flush:500 fresh. First monotub. Not sure how it compares to other peoples yields but way more than I expected.


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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
    #19220095 - 12/02/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hurrah!  And thanks for the update.  Everyone loves a happy ending.


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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: Psilicon]
    #19220154 - 12/02/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yea feels better now. Complete.

Between the 3rd and 4th flushes I dunked the tub by first running string across the tub in and out the opposite substrate level air holes and taping it to the side of the tub, and then filling the tub with coldish tap water up to just before the lower holes. The string was so the substrate didn't float. The water was poured out about 6-7 hours later. I was originally trying to follow Franks tek in terms of looking at the condensation around the air holes and adjusting polyfill accordingly but things became a lot more automated with I just unplugged both top holes, let the walls of the tub look entire dry, and just made sure the substrate surface glistened with moisture but didn't have any water pooling. I'd mist when I had my heater on in my place as the air gets dry. Again I'm not even sure if this is an amazing yield for 7 L coir/verm/gypsum with a bit of rye spawn but the last thing I did other than a fail coco husk attempt was cakes (years ago). And casing straight rye with verm/peat moss (years ago too). Didn't work so well...


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Re: Why does my grow suck? [Re: jellyfish]
    #19220678 - 12/03/13 04:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Overall weight sounds darn great! Great job!!!


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