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OfflineShroomie Gnome
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Boyfriend troubles
    #19095041 - 11/06/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

my boyfriend is insecure about letting me go hang out with guy friends alone, go to a bar, or even hang out with my girlfriends alone (I guess because I am bisexual). He also gets bad anxiety when we are apart, which makes it hard for me to go do anything even if it is only for a few hours because he is so hesitant to let me go do what I need to. He has been cheated on by many of his past girlfriends so I understand his uneasiness but it is effecting my life and our relationship. He says he trusts me but he just doesn't trust other people. Ive tried reasoning with him, telling him that a healthy relationship has trust and the ability to be apart for more than a few hours. But he says he cant help his anxiety (without health care) and when I ask to spend some time by myself or have a girl day with my friends he just says "What am I not good enough for you?" I tried telling him that we should be able to spend some time on our own every once in awhile but I cant get through to convincing him that No, I don't hate him I just need to spend time with other people sometimes. Now I feel like I resent him sometimes because of his controlling nature but I love him with all of my heart. What should I do?


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Shroomie Gnome] * 6
    #19095061 - 11/06/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why do you want to be alone with other guys?


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Herbologist]
    #19095079 - 11/06/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't, I guess what I meant to say was he doesn't want us to hang out with my guy friends because he thinks they are gonna steal me away or something.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Shroomie Gnome]
    #19095089 - 11/06/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I made a joke the other day when we were hanging out with one of his work friends and his gf. She was talking about how she used to be a lesbian before she met her boyfriend and I said "ooh better not leave us alone" I made it very clear I was joking and then my boyfriend said "Yea and then Ill kick you out of my car and you can walk home" He was being very serious and angry. I cant even make a joke about it without him taking it to heart. So that's just an example of whats going on I have many more but this was the most recent.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #19095116 - 11/06/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Herbologist said:
Why do you want to be alone with other guys?



You never want to hang out with other people than your significant other when you're in a relationship?

OP he sounds extremely insecure.  Your relationship sounds incredibly unhealthy.  From an outsider's point of view I would say that your partner is not ready for a relationship.  He has serious trust issues that he needs to confront on his own before he can be in a healthy relationship.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Shroomie Gnome]
    #19095162 - 11/06/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He doesn't mistrust other people...he doesn't trust you because he can't allow himself to. I don't understand how the whole insanely jealous thing works but one of my ex's would do the same thing. After we broke up she was able to work through it but no matter how many ways I approached it I could never help her get over it. These are deeply seeded insecurities that go beyond you and him as a couple. He needs to figure out how to deal with his shit because it's only going to continue to hurt you and drag you down. I eventually dumped that ex because she was suffocating me and made me hate her because she was so attached to me and afraid. Remember that you can only love someone else if you can love yourself. Whatever he is doing right now in his life is probably very toxic and stressful


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19095169 - 11/06/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yea I was afraid of that, even if I told him that we wont have a healthy relationship until he an let go of his insecurities he would say he cant help what has happened to him in his life. I want to help him but I don't know how to further prove to him im not gonna leave him for some random person. I have to tell him dozens of times a day I love him, and how much I love him or he will think I don't love him anymore. He needs constant reassurance and I want to be the one to help him but I cant help him unless he helps himself. He also has a huge problem with me smoking cigs and he says its selfish of me to smoke cause then I will die before him and he will be left all alone. I tell him we shouldn't have to change ourselves to make others happy and it is selfish of him to put so much pressure on me over conquering my cigarette addiction. And we go around in circles cause we just don't agree with eachother on this. I even used my parents as an example. They have been married over 25 years and my mom smokes, my dad doesn't. He wished she didn't smoke but he doesn't give her shit about it because that's not what marriage is about. Its about loving one another unconditionally and not making people change just because he would rather have her not smoke.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Shroomie Gnome]
    #19095345 - 11/06/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Shroomie Gnome said:
yea I was afraid of that, even if I told him that we wont have a healthy relationship until he an let go of his insecurities he would say he cant help what has happened to him in his life. I want to help him but I don't know how to further prove to him im not gonna leave him for some random person. I have to tell him dozens of times a day I love him, and how much I love him or he will think I don't love him anymore. He needs constant reassurance and I want to be the one to help him but I cant help him unless he helps himself. He also has a huge problem with me smoking cigs and he says its selfish of me to smoke cause then I will die before him and he will be left all alone. I tell him we shouldn't have to change ourselves to make others happy and it is selfish of him to put so much pressure on me over conquering my cigarette addiction. And we go around in circles cause we just don't agree with eachother on this. I even used my parents as an example. They have been married over 25 years and my mom smokes, my dad doesn't. He wished she didn't smoke but he doesn't give her shit about it because that's not what marriage is about. Its about loving one another unconditionally and not making people change just because he would rather have her not smoke.



Yeah, you can't stop a smoker.  Personally, I would never date a smoker for that reason.  It sounds like you guys have even further issues than just his insecurities.

How long have you guys been dating and how old are you?  It doesn't really sound like he wants to help himself.  Saying "I can't help what has happened to him in my life" is a total cop out.  You're doing everything you can and he's clearly not even making an effort.  Above and beyond that he's making more requests of you.

As I said before, your relationship sounds incredibly unhealthy.  Why would he make an effort to change when you're still there for him?  I don't think he really understands that it is driving you two apart.  Maybe talking it out with him will help, although it sounds like you've tried that many times.

Unfortunately, he may need you breaking up with him as a wake up call that he has to make an effort to overcome his issues before he can have a serious relationship with another person.  If you keep talking to him but you continue to treat him exactly the same way there's no incentive for him to change his ways.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Herbologist]
    #19095355 - 11/06/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Herbologist said:
Why do you want to be alone with other guys?




Whats wrong with her wanting to be alone with other guys?

OP you don't have to be on the defensive for wanting to pursue any type of friendship you please.  It should have very little to do with your relationship.  I know you want to help him with his insecurities, but unfortunately you are doing the opposite by playing along.  You may be verbally expressing your disapproval of his issues but that's not enough..  He needs you to tell him you love him constantly so you do it, he needs you not to go out with friends so you do it.  Your actions speak louder than words and you are not helping his insecurities by willfully changing your behavior to conform to his anxieties.  If anything you are doing the opposite. 

Life is so much better in a healthy relationship, and it seriously sounds like that's not possible with him.  I fear your resentment will only grow into serious regrets if you continue to play along.  Best of luck.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Shroomie Gnome]
    #19095402 - 11/06/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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he would say he cant help what has happened to him in his life


Of course he can't help what has happened to him. But then as an adult, he owes it to himself and to you to take full responsibility of what he makes of what has happened to him in his life. That's what being an adult is all about, instead of taking the past and others peoples' actions as an excuse to just remain one's old sore self.

Maybe you should ask yourself what it is that attracted you in the first place to this kind of guy, and what makes you stay in that kind of relationship. Everything has a reason, you know. You certainly can't change him (maybe you can help him change himself, but I wouldn't be too sure), but it would be interesting to get to know yourself a little better.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Shroomie Gnome]
    #19095709 - 11/06/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Jealousy is extremely ugly OP. It will eventually tear your relationship apart if he does not deal with it. This is not your doing nor your fault.
The only thing you can do is to assure him that you love him before you are hanging with other friends for a evening. Maybe text him sometime to reassure him you're not in some dudes bed... Relationships NEED this time apart and if you give in now....you will both pay later and who knows, maybe then there will even be a child involved.
This is something he needs to work on ....just don't throw fuel on the fire ...like disappearing for a couple days or something.:sunny::peace:M


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #19095805 - 11/06/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks everybody for the advice. I guess I just needed to know that im not the only one who thinks that a healthy relationship means spending time apart as well as time together. I am 21 and he is 20 so I agree he should be more of an adult about this. I don't want to end our relationship because there is so much that is great about him. We both love nature and we met when we were both studying Environmental Horticulture. He is sweet and funny and our physical attraction is very strong. He treats his mother with great respect which shows how he treats women in general and myself. Hes usually there to hold me when Im crying. I really love him and I feel like hes the yin to my yang. We are both generous friends and we have been taken advantage of by others many times in our life. We connect so well, yet there are some things that I wish didn't get in the way of our happiness. We don't argue that often, but when we do its almost impossible to share how im feeling about something. example: He will say "When have I ever told you to not be upset?" And I bring up a time where I was stressed out so I tried to talk about it but he just says " well I have way more stress than you." Almost like my stress isn't valid cause he has more stress. And when I get stressed out I usually just hide it so it wont stress him out, because when im stressed he takes it on as his own.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Herbologist] * 2
    #19096780 - 11/06/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Herbologist said:
Why do you want to be alone with other guys?




people emotionally cheat/flirt as it's plausibly deniable.

sex is just the last 10% of cheating


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19096818 - 11/06/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You sound like this chicks controlling boyfriend.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Irfan]
    #19096896 - 11/06/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You sound like this chicks controlling boyfriend.



:lol:


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Irfan] * 1
    #19097080 - 11/06/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Irfan said:
You sound like this chicks controlling boyfriend.




women want to be controlled and dominated.

men want to dominate.

pretty simple shit.

women don't have male "friends". just guys that linger around til she'll fuck them.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19097132 - 11/06/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So you can't be friends with people you would have sex with?  I have several females friends whom if we were both single I would be game to bang.  Doesn't mean we aren't friends and doesn't mean I would cheat on my partner with them.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19097159 - 11/06/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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JesusIsLord said:

women don't have male "friends". just guys that linger around til she'll fuck them.




Like when she is single again.  What's wrong with that?


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Irfan]
    #19102097 - 11/07/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Irfan said:
Quote:

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women don't have male "friends". just guys that linger around til she'll fuck them.




Like when she is single again.  What's wrong with that?



:lolsy:


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19102358 - 11/07/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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JesusIsLord said:
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Irfan said:
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JesusIsLord said:

women don't have male "friends". just guys that linger around til she'll fuck them.




Like when she is single again.  What's wrong with that?



:lolsy:



It would be helpful to explain yourself.  You're not making a whole lot of sense.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19102513 - 11/07/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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pwnasaurus said:
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JesusIsLord said:
Quote:

Irfan said:
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JesusIsLord said:

women don't have male "friends". just guys that linger around til she'll fuck them.




Like when she is single again.  What's wrong with that?



:lolsy:



It would be helpful to explain yourself.  You're not making a whole lot of sense.



:likeaboss:


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19105101 - 11/08/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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JesusIsLord said:
Quote:

Irfan said:
You sound like this chicks controlling boyfriend.




women want to be controlled and dominated.

men want to dominate.

pretty simple shit.

women don't have male "friends". just guys that linger around til she'll fuck them.





case and point.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Herbologist]
    #19105157 - 11/08/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Herbologist said:
Quote:

JesusIsLord said:
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Irfan said:
You sound like this chicks controlling boyfriend.




women want to be controlled and dominated.

men want to dominate.

pretty simple shit.

women don't have male "friends". just guys that linger around til she'll fuck them.





case and point.



Sweeping generalizations and sexist comments == case and point in your books?

Interesting.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19105961 - 11/08/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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JesusIsLord said:
Quote:

Irfan said:
You sound like this chicks controlling boyfriend.




women want to be controlled and dominated.

men want to dominate.

pretty simple shit.

women don't have male "friends". just guys that linger around til she'll fuck them.



Thats a rather old fashioned way of thinking. I dont think anyone in general wants to be controlled.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Shroomie Gnome]
    #19106148 - 11/08/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree, especially in modern day America which is my reference.  I don't understand why a guy would want to be with a woman who wanted to be controlled anyway.  I find myself most attracted to empowered independent women. :shrug:


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Irfan]
    #19106364 - 11/08/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree, especially in modern day America which is my reference.  I don't understand why a guy would want to be with a woman who wanted to be controlled anyway.  I find myself most attracted to empowered independent women. :shrug:



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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Irfan]
    #19106709 - 11/08/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Irfan said:
I agree, especially in modern day America which is my reference.  I don't understand why a guy would want to be with a woman who wanted to be controlled anyway.  I find myself most attracted to empowered independent women. :shrug:



first :facepalm:


then :lolsy:


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19106989 - 11/08/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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JesusIsLord said:
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Irfan said:
I agree, especially in modern day America which is my reference.  I don't understand why a guy would want to be with a woman who wanted to be controlled anyway.  I find myself most attracted to empowered independent women. :shrug:



first :facepalm:


then :lolsy:




Instead of continuously posting gremlins, why don't you explain using words why you disagree?


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #19107083 - 11/08/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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tymoteusz3 said:
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JesusIsLord said:
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Irfan said:
I agree, especially in modern day America which is my reference.  I don't understand why a guy would want to be with a woman who wanted to be controlled anyway.  I find myself most attracted to empowered independent women. :shrug:



first :facepalm:


then :lolsy:




Instead of continuously posting gremlins, why don't you explain using words why you disagree?



nah, I'm good. Thanks tho :raisemyglass:


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19107406 - 11/08/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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nah, I'm good. Thanks tho :raisemyglass:




Quote:


4. post with the intent of causeing inteligent discussion at all times in this forum.





Evidently you don't wish to follow this rule.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Shroomie Gnome]
    #19109476 - 11/09/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't, I guess what I meant to say was he doesn't want us to hang out with my guy friends because he thinks they are gonna steal me away or something.



Well, do you want them to?

If you're unhappy with him, and you're into one of these other guys, it may be for the best for both of you and your man to break it up sooner rather than waiting until something goes down between you and one of these guys whom wants to spend time alone with you.
Does that not sound as described as a date? Furthermore, do the guys or guy you want to spend time alone with know that you're not single? Are they under the impression you may be looking for a relationship with them?


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Synthe]
    #19109750 - 11/09/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You guys seem to forget we are still primates with insincts bred into us over million of years of evolution

Things like the male is dominant and the female is submissive and having multiple partners

These cant be changed

Now Im not saying you cant over ride these instincts

IMO that very thing is what makes you civilized  , but to many people let there feelings control them.

People have times of weakness coupled with strong emotions not based in logic which often create bad decisions

Sort of off topic but I thought it had relevance


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Shroomie Gnome]
    #19111008 - 11/09/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Shroomie Gnome said:
I made a joke the other day when we were hanging out with one of his work friends and his gf. She was talking about how she used to be a lesbian before she met her boyfriend and I said "ooh better not leave us alone" I made it very clear I was joking and then my boyfriend said "Yea and then Ill kick you out of my car and you can walk home" He was being very serious and angry. I cant even make a joke about it without him taking it to heart. So that's just an example of whats going on I have many more but this was the most recent.




well maybe, you could adjust for him regarding this, because even for someone who isn't typically jealous, this could bother them. if he said the same thing regarding another girl, it might bother you. its on the same Level.

i was like this guy tho, its because he has deeprooted problems, could be anything, he will have to open up to a therapist, and sort through these things that are clogging up his mind and putting him through fight or flight anxieties.

i say have a talk with him about trying to change his actual thought process. like what to think instead of this. tell him to revert to the time when he first met you and just wanted you to be in his life, let alone take your life from everyone elses..

its not necessarily, but there could be something rooted deep. for me it was my bisexuality urges... i thought i was turning gay, and it was causing stress on the relationship.


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Re: Boyfriend troubles [Re: Synthe]
    #19121430 - 11/11/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

all of my friends.know im taken and i dont like anyone else, my boyfriend is the only person i want to be with. If we could afford therapy we would do it, i know personally from experience how well it works. I will have a talk with him, he just really hates spending time without me so itll be a bit difficult


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