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a question on mushroom language and latin names
#19094809 - 11/06/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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As mentioned earlier I recently got involved with the my local mycological societies. I was really taken back by their ability to identify extremely quickly via the latin name versus the common names that I am more accustomed to.
i say fungi as "fun•guy" and they say "fun•ji" this is one very minor example in a laundry list of vocab.
and even the latin names I used frequently and say confidently, they pronounced them vastly differently. they way they said psilocybin and the way i say it made them sound like two completely different words.
then when i was on a hunt with my mushroom guru we were discussing the difference in the language that we use. we both agreed that often we dont even pronounce some of the latin names, or may not have even ever attempted to say them out loud in fear of mispronunciation and simply butchering the word.
now i know the trusted identifiers on here are really quick to post the latin name, but i am curious as to how many of you get the chance to speak about mushrooms with other mushroom folk outside of these forums? or are you like me and yes you may know some latin names, but only in writing?
Im wondering if the mycology societies have something that is lacking hear through the audible discussion of mushrooms versus just a textual one. what are your thoughts or experiences with this phenomena? Do those of you that have a strong command of the latin names ever find yourself using them aloud in conversation with your mushroom peers?
Id really like to start a discussion along these lines...
an add-on:
i guess the analogy i would use for what I'm trying to get it can be seen in the film crouching tiger hidden dragon. the old lady assassin is a murdering machine, because she stole a book that had pictorials in it demonstrating the martial art technique that allowed her to be such a killing force. the girl she trained was literate and was able to not only learn from the pictures but get further detail from the text, information the old lady was unable to learn because she was illiterate. the girl then grows to suprass her teacher in skill and technique because she gains more detail through the descriptions surrounding the pictures in the text.
I want to know if this community is missing out on a key part of mycology by not being immersed in that full body of knowledge and the full use of the language.
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: generalsherman55]
#19094842 - 11/06/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Problem with common names, is they can be different in different locations. They also are used a bit more generally.... Shaggy parasol, honey mushroom, boletes... All represent several species...
So the scientific name (ie Latin name) can be used where ever that mushroom is found, even different countries. The only problem with scientific names are they change when the taxonomy changes for that mushroom.... And with DNA being used to determine genus, it happens.
I would not worry a ton about pronunciations... That in a part of every language.... Varies where you are... Even common word like bury or theater.... And don't get me started with American vs English spelling and pronunciations!!!
Russula is a good example... Whatever way you say it... Most folks will know what you mean
I do wonder how most folks are pronouncing 'cyan'
See-en or Kia-en
Just saying....
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: generalsherman55]
#19094861 - 11/06/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I butcher the hell out of Latin personally. Doesn't bother me at all
I keep trying to think of words in the English language that are pronounced differently in different areas, none are coming to mind. But, people pronounce stuff differently
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: generalsherman55]
#19094869 - 11/06/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll stumble right through the Latin like a toddler in deep sand. It might sound funny coming out of my mouth but damned if I'll let that stop me from trying.
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: HarryL]
#19094878 - 11/06/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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HarryL said: Problem with common names, is they can be different in different locations. They also are used a bit more generally.... Shaggy parasol, honey mushroom, boletes... All represent several species...
So the scientific name (ie Latin name) can be used where ever that mushroom is found, even different countries. The only problem with scientific names are they change when the taxonomy changes for that mushroom.... And with DNA being used to determine genus, it happens.
I would not worry a ton about pronunciations... That in a part of every language.... Varies where you are... Even common word like bury or theater.... And don't get me started with American vs English spelling and pronunciations!!!
Russula is a good example... Whatever way you say it... Most folks will know what you mean
I do wonder how most folks are pronouncing 'cyan'
See-en or Kia-en
Just saying....
yeah at one of myco meetings, a professor was discussing his new book and how they renamed soooo many species based on dna analysis, and even ones whose morphology doesnt match the family names of the past. for instance there was a gilled mushroom belonging to the bolete family. the book is still meant to be used through identification of morphological features, but the names are vastly different.
i say cyan as "sigh•an•ess•ens"
the question is how do those that are self taught either through guides and via expert advice from trusted identifiers on shroomery handle the scientific names aloud versus those in the myco societies who get to use them on a person to person basis frequently. im curious if they are able to learn the scientific names sooner because they are fully immersed in that language. someone like me who was taught by someone who was self taught, i find myself daunted by the task of learning the scientific names
i guess the analogy i would use for what I'm trying to get it can be seen in the film crouching tiger hidden dragon. the old lady assassin is a murdering machine, because she stole a book that had pictorials in it demonstrating the martial art technique that allowed her to be such a killing force. the girl she trained was literate and was able to not only learn from the pictures but get further detail from the text, information the old lady was unable to learn because she was illiterate.
I want to know if this community is missing out on a key part of mycology by not being immersed in that full body of knowledge and the full use of the language.
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: generalsherman55]
#19094918 - 11/06/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Many words in the English language are borrowed or descended from Latin. So most people pronounce Latin words as if they are written in English, just because of the similarity on paper/screen. Modern Latin used in all science has it's specific rules, it's a complete, separate language. If you know any Romanic languages like Italian or French, Latin pronunciation should be perfectly clear and simple.
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: HarryL]
#19094943 - 11/06/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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HarryL said: Problem with common names, is they can be different in different locations. They also are used a bit more generally.... Shaggy parasol, honey mushroom, boletes... All represent several species...
So the scientific name (ie Latin name) can be used where ever that mushroom is found, even different countries. The only problem with scientific names are they change when the taxonomy changes for that mushroom.... And with DNA being used to determine genus, it happens.
I would not worry a ton about pronunciations... That in a part of every language.... Varies where you are... Even common word like bury or theater.... And don't get me started with American vs English spelling and pronunciations!!!
Russula is a good example... Whatever way you say it... Most folks will know what you mean
I do wonder how most folks are pronouncing 'cyan'
See-en or Kia-en
Just saying....
I say "sigh-anne"
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19094958 - 11/06/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Every foray i go on with anyone always involves laughing in some sort of way about latin. Many many examples of this.
palipurus"
but yeah i think the pronunciations for some of the species are here. https://soundcloud.com/mayda-1/
also notice that there are links under the names of the mushrooms in the hunting faq.
also note that Tangich is the voice. lol
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: generalsherman55]
#19094987 - 11/06/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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We need to set up a thread with tutorials on correct pronunciations of the Latin names.
Its hard when you are teaching yourself and never or rarely hear any of these names spoken by a knowledgeable person... even some of the terminology..... and I have to say, most pronunciation keys don't help much... but I also know if I would just get myself to some myco meetings that would help ALOT.... but, then again, I try not to stress the importance of correctly saying things... as long as it gets across and communication is made then that's all that is really necessary... but it does suck when I have no idea how to communicate the name of something and it comes rolling out as a mess of sounds that end it "*&^%$#@.. some fucking shit mushroom"...
Either way, I think it would be a great thing to get better at... or at least more diverse in variations of ways to say names, that are versatile enough to get it across...
It would also be interesting to hear how some people are saying things, especially the abstract variations.... <<<Could be a good anthro- angle for your class yo!
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19094995 - 11/06/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rev0kadavur said: We need to set up a thread with tutorials on correct pronunciations of the Latin names.
Its hard when you are teaching yourself and never or rarely hear any of these names spoken by a knowledgeable person... even some of the terminology..... and I have to say, most pronunciation keys don't help much... but I also know if I would just get myself to some myco meetings that would help ALOT.... but, then again, I try not to stress the importance of correctly saying things... as long as it gets across and communication is made then that's all that is really necessary... but it does suck when I have no idea how to communicate the name of something and it comes rolling out as a mess of sounds that end it "*&^%$#@.. some fucking shit mushroom"...
Either way, I think it would be a great thing to get better at... or at least more diverse in variations of ways to say names, that are versatile enough to get it across...
It would also be interesting to hear how some people are saying things, especially the abstract variations.... <<<Could be a good anthro- angle for your class yo!
lol. thus this thread
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: Joust]
#19095006 - 11/06/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Joust said: Every foray i go on with anyone always involves laughing in some sort of way about latin. Many many examples of this.
palipurus"
but yeah i think the pronunciations for some of the species are here. https://soundcloud.com/mayda-1/
also notice that there are links under the names of the mushrooms in the hunting faq.
also note that Tangich is the voice. lol
Ah... noooooo....
Awesome link! -but this totally ruins the way I have been saying things...
Ahggg.. I dont like the way Psilocybe is properly pronounced.. no no noooo.... lol
BTW, Tangich should do a complete series of this... really awesome stuff, perfect for this thread!
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: generalsherman55]
#19095011 - 11/06/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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generalsherman55 said:
WE NEED TO HUNT SOOOOOOOOOOOON! UGH!
Rain is coming!!!!!
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19095044 - 11/06/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rev0kadavur said:
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generalsherman55 said:
WE NEED TO HUNT SOOOOOOOOOOOON! UGH!
Rain is coming!!!!!
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rev0kadavur said:
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Joust said: Every foray i go on with anyone always involves laughing in some sort of way about latin. Many many examples of this.
palipurus"
but yeah i think the pronunciations for some of the species are here. https://soundcloud.com/mayda-1/
also notice that there are links under the names of the mushrooms in the hunting faq.
also note that Tangich is the voice. lol
Ah... noooooo....
Awesome link! -but this totally ruins the way I have been saying things...
Ahggg.. I dont like the way Psilocybe is properly pronounced.. no no noooo.... lol
BTW, Tangich should do a complete series of this... really awesome stuff, perfect for this thread!
i knew that would get to you!
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: lsms] 1
#19095182 - 11/06/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lsms said: I butcher the hell out of Latin personally. Doesn't bother me at all
Same here. What gets me about the pronunciation nazis, apart from the ludicrous nature of presuming to be correct about the pronunciation of a dead language is the inconsistency with which it is often applied anyway. All in or all out, I say, and I shake my fist while I say it 
Personally, I find it comfortable to pronounce foreign phonemes approximate to my natural language. I don't get hung up when speakers of other languages speak english with an accent, either.
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: generalsherman55] 1
#19095205 - 11/06/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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generalsherman55 said: i say fungi as "fun•guy" and they say "fun•ji"
That is a good example of the motive why most people who badly pronounce Latin names, pronounce them that way, because although your pronouncing a Latin word you're using English phonetics, in Latin for example if you have an E or an I after a G the G is read as J, always.
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: pouihi] 1
#19095363 - 11/06/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Funny discussion. 
Being Norwegian, my native language for some reason complies well with the latin pronunciation. But of course, when I'm on this site where both writing and reading is done in English, I tend to anglify my impression of latin names.
Example:
Norwegian: Psilocybe = See-lo-see-bah, Psilocybin = See-lo-see-been English: Psilocybe = Sill-oh-sybe Psilocybin = Sill-oh-sybe-been
Norwegian: Mycena = Mee-se-naah English: Mycena = My-scene-aah
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: Joust]
#19095711 - 11/06/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Joust said: Every foray i go on with anyone always involves laughing in some sort of way about latin. Many many examples of this.
palipurus"
but yeah i think the pronunciations for some of the species are here. https://soundcloud.com/mayda-1/
also notice that there are links under the names of the mushrooms in the hunting faq.
also note that Tangich is the voice. lol
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Joust said: Every foray i go on with anyone always involves laughing in some sort of way about latin. Many many examples of this.
palipurus"
but yeah i think the pronunciations for some of the species are here. https://soundcloud.com/mayda-1/
also notice that there are links under the names of the mushrooms in the hunting faq.
also note that Tangich is the voice. lol
are these forays with myco society groups? or with friends? what?
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: generalsherman55]
#19097210 - 11/06/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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generalsherman55 said:
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Joust said: Every foray i go on with anyone always involves laughing in some sort of way about latin. Many many examples of this.
palipurus"
but yeah i think the pronunciations for some of the species are here. https://soundcloud.com/mayda-1/
also notice that there are links under the names of the mushrooms in the hunting faq.
also note that Tangich is the voice. lol
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Joust said: Every foray i go on with anyone always involves laughing in some sort of way about latin. Many many examples of this.
palipurus"
but yeah i think the pronunciations for some of the species are here. https://soundcloud.com/mayda-1/
also notice that there are links under the names of the mushrooms in the hunting faq.
also note that Tangich is the voice. lol
are these forays with myco society groups? or with friends? what?
friends.
I say sil ( as in silt) oss (loss) ugh (ugh?) bee (bee)
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: generalsherman55]
#19097330 - 11/06/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I pronounce to myself in a whisper as I'm hunting. Everything I come across I pronounce either what I know is the pronunciation of the species, or if I've never heard a species voiced, I will pretend I know how it's pronounced....most likely "butchering" it. :p I'm neither all in nor all out.
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: Joust]
#19097433 - 11/06/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Joust said: I say sil ( as in silt) oss (loss) ugh (ugh?) bee (bee)
I pronounce ugh as uh
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: happyfunguy]
#19097447 - 11/06/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I sway back and forth, because I have a bad habit of pronouncing it sill-uh-sigh-b, as I did for many years lol. But I am gradually working towards always pronouncing it sigh-lahts-yoo-bee.
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: canid]
#19097712 - 11/06/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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canid said: pronunciation nazis
I was reluctant to put it that way, but I wanted to sooo bad... it can be super annoying!
But I am wanting to learning what I do and dont say right! -not that it will likely change much...
Curious about how other people say Boletes and Boletus... I say Bow-lets (Often Ba-lets when I speak too fast) & Bowl-lee-tuss
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: generalsherman55]
#19097876 - 11/06/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think there really is an "official" way to pronounce the names.
I've gotten to have lots of conversations with various PhDs, and they vary in how they pronounce them. In particular, the way they pronounce them depends very strongly on where they were educated.
Else Vellinga noted that the pronunciations we use here are often very different than the ones she learned in Europe, with Inocybe being one name she pointed out in particular.
Tom Volk teaches botanic Latin, and his website has lots of little recordings of him demonstrating how he pronounces many of the names. I would consider him a pretty good authority.
Another good rule to remember is that mushroom names should always be pronounced with great authority. Which is a joke way of saying that we have no way of knowing how the ancient Romans would have pronounced them, and it doesn't really matter at this point how they would anyway.
The way I have heard almost all PhDs pronounce Psilocybe is "sigh-loss-uh-bee", with the emphasis on "loss". I can't say that it's the way I would have thought, but I go along with it because it's for communication and it's easier to communicate if I pronounce it the same as they do.
As far as the discussion about how mushroom names are changing, for the vast majority of the names, the only thing that has changed is really which name is the most currently accepted. For almost all mushrooms, any of the published names are going to be a correct and unique identifier of the species being named, even if they aren't the most currently accepted name.
For example, Connopus acervatus K.W. Hughes, Mather & R.H. Petersen is the official current name, but Agaricus acervatus Fr., Collybia acervata (Fr.) P. Kumm., and Gymnopus acervatus (Fr.) Murrill are names that all are for the same species. If you use one of the older names, then anybody that actually knows much about the species will still know what you're talking about. If you're going to publish, then you need to spend the time to use the most current name. If you're talking with other mushroom heads, then you don't need to be too worried about it. You mostly want to use the same name as the people around you so that you minimize confusion.
The stuff after each name is who published that name first. When talking about a species, it's important because if you want to know what defines the description of a species you really need to go back to the originally published description. Sometimes the original description contains things you might not expect.
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: jet li]
#19097888 - 11/06/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've studied (classical) Latin. There really is no "correct" way you should be pronouncing these things. For example, in Classical Latin (i.e., what old J. Caesar would have spoken), the "c" character always represents the "k" sound, i.e., a velar stop. Thus "salicinus" would have been pronounced "sa-lee-kee-noos". After the fall of the Roman Empire Latin became the language of the church and then of science and pronunciation conventions changed. So when that guy is pronouncing "salicinus" on that https://soundcloud.com/mayda-1/ site as "sa-lee-tsee-noos", that's a Church Latin innovation.
Another complicating factor is that there's a bunch of Greek mixed in here (e.g., "psilo" and "cyb", etc.) and Classical Greek has sounds (phonemes) in it that aren't in Latin and modern Greek is different from Classical Greek. So should we pronounce this stuff like Ceasar would or like Descartes would or like Socrates would or like Kazantzakis would or ... ? you get the point.
I'm guessing there probably are prescriptive guides for how academic Latin/Greek names should be pronounced, but it's really all just arbitrary rules. I guess it's a status thing for some people.
I find what's really helpful is understanding what the words mean and the connections with English (or whatever your language is). That helps you remember the names (and how they're spelled). For example, "cybe", from a Greek word meaning "head", is on like every second Genus name and it's kind of easy to remember if you think of English "cap" or "chief" or Latin "caput" = "head". Similarly, "aeruginosus" is pretty common and refers to that bluish rusting of copper and is related to Latin "aes/aeris" meaning "copper" which is related to English "ore".
Anyways, I could ramble about this stuff a lot more but I'll stop myself here. Even if you're not really interested in all this etymological stuff, I do think it's helpful to know what the names of your favorite shrooms mean so that they're not just a bunch of arbitrary characters:
Psilo-cybe = bald-head Gymno-pilus = naked-cap cyan-escens = blue-becoming azur-escens = blue-becoming baeo-cystis = small-bladder ovoideo-cystidiata = egglike-cystidia (sterile cell type) semi-lanceata = half-spear-shaped
Arora contains a nice little dictionary of the relevant Greek and Latin bits...
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: Coen]
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great question, great thread for new folks, great info, Coen, thanks for taking the time - i love entomology. adds another layer of understanding and a hook for remembering other particulars
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: RuralAnomaly]
#19098232 - 11/06/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey, so long as I'm not being annoying, I will continue to talk about Latin. Trouble is, that becomes pretty annoying pretty quick to a large cross-section of the population 
Sorry man, I gotta post Wrong Superhero -- just couldn't resist ...
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: Coen]
#19098296 - 11/06/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lmao... sometimes that spell checker is too easy to click,ironically enough i butchered *etymology* the first time by adding an n and hit the suggestion w/o actual thinking.
great cartoon too, and yes, ramble on plz
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: RuralAnomaly]
#19098703 - 11/07/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thought it was:
Sci-loss-oh-bee?
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: ToxicMan]
#19101438 - 11/07/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
ToxicMan said: I don't think there really is an "official" way to pronounce the names.
I've gotten to have lots of conversations with various PhDs, and they vary in how they pronounce them. In particular, the way they pronounce them depends very strongly on where they were educated.
Else Vellinga noted that the pronunciations we use here are often very different than the ones she learned in Europe, with Inocybe being one name she pointed out in particular.
Tom Volk teaches botanic Latin, and his website has lots of little recordings of him demonstrating how he pronounces many of the names. I would consider him a pretty good authority.
Another good rule to remember is that mushroom names should always be pronounced with great authority. Which is a joke way of saying that we have no way of knowing how the ancient Romans would have pronounced them, and it doesn't really matter at this point how they would anyway.
The way I have heard almost all PhDs pronounce Psilocybe is "sigh-loss-uh-bee", with the emphasis on "loss". I can't say that it's the way I would have thought, but I go along with it because it's for communication and it's easier to communicate if I pronounce it the same as they do.
As far as the discussion about how mushroom names are changing, for the vast majority of the names, the only thing that has changed is really which name is the most currently accepted. For almost all mushrooms, any of the published names are going to be a correct and unique identifier of the species being named, even if they aren't the most currently accepted name.
For example, Connopus acervatus K.W. Hughes, Mather & R.H. Petersen is the official current name, but Agaricus acervatus Fr., Collybia acervata (Fr.) P. Kumm., and Gymnopus acervatus (Fr.) Murrill are names that all are for the same species. If you use one of the older names, then anybody that actually knows much about the species will still know what you're talking about. If you're going to publish, then you need to spend the time to use the most current name. If you're talking with other mushroom heads, then you don't need to be too worried about it. You mostly want to use the same name as the people around you so that you minimize confusion.
The stuff after each name is who published that name first. When talking about a species, it's important because if you want to know what defines the description of a species you really need to go back to the originally published description. Sometimes the original description contains things you might not expect.
This is great stuff dude.
can i get a link to Tom Volk on mushroom pronunciation?
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Re: a question on mushroom language and latin names [Re: generalsherman55]
#19102527 - 11/07/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edited by RuralAnomaly (11/07/13 08:05 PM)
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