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OfflineMrMoo
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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: Middleman]
    #19094090 - 11/06/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for posting that up Rev. Morton, I'd read it before but was good to refresh my memory of it again :thumbup:


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: zZZz]
    #19094098 - 11/06/13 05:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zZZz said:
yea well courages dosers are no friends of mine :snub: - zZZz


no but he has a good point. why waste your time with low doses and possibly have a short lasting impression when you could dive in head first and possibly never have the urge to trip for several years




true

did 5g a few years back, it scared me so much I havent tried to repeat yet :-P

was pretty sure I was going insane the whole trip lol, 5g mushroom chocolates

3.5-4g seems to be my dose , every 2-4 months or so, when I got shrooms available
cant find them locally anywhere

salvia takes courage too, can only get myself to smoke that with sitter now, 20x
and only every 6-8 months max :-P  , even though Ive done high doses of LSD/mushrooms (10+ hits lsd, 5-7g mushrooms)


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19094101 - 11/06/13 05:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
I actually am thinking the opposite these days, that the best thing you can do with any drug is start at the lowest possible dose and then gradually climb up by tiny increments with each successive experiment, until you find your sweet spot. Its the safest way to get to know a substance and you can still find your way to heroic doses eventually, but you do it one step at a time, with patience, persistence and care. To me doing tiny doses first and working up to high doses is the obvious, logical thing to do for maximum safety. To rush to a high dose is just impatient really, whats the hurry? You can get there in time, one step at a time.




For me, and idk how this transfers over to other drugs, when I first smoked weed if I'd of started small I don't think I would of had such a good experience that I did the first time. My tolerance would of been enough that by the time I smoked a whole bowl it wouldn't of been as great as it was.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19094130 - 11/06/13 05:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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KGB Is Go said:
"...The nibblers of this world are no friends of mine. It should be overwhelming, and it should be an act of courage” - Terence McKenna

I read this Terence quote from a post by Lorenzo. It's taken from Podcast 374 - "Boostrapping Ourselves" over at Matrix Masters.

What do other Shroomerites think of this comment?




This is exactly why I think he gives pretty dumb shit advice regarding psychedelics.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19094230 - 11/06/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think this applies to this time in history. Everyone is different. I take a blotter and feel like it is a lot but I know some people who take 5 at a time and am like :shocked: because of how much one affects me. I used to go to the extreme with disassociatives but don't like doing the same with hallucinogens because once I hit 2.5g or over 1 blotter the experience is meaningless because my thought process is too scrambled. I like observing my thoughts but I don't like my thought process scrambled to the point where I can't even understand what is going on.


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"Psychedelic drugs don't change you - they don't change your character - unless you want to be changed. They enable change; they can't impose it...” - Sasha Shulgin


Edited by mindgnome (11/06/13 07:11 AM)


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: mindgnome]
    #19094247 - 11/06/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mindgnome said:
I don't think this applies to this time in history. Everyone is different. I take a blotter and feel like it is a lot but I know some people who take 5 at a time and am like :shocked: because of how much one affects me. I used to go to the extreme with disassociatives but don't like doing the same with hallucinogens because once I hit 2.5g or over 1 blotter the experience is meaningless because my thought process is too scrambled. I like observing my thoughts but I don't like my thought process scrambled to the point where I can't even understand what is going on.




with high doses you dont understand

you let go :-)

let go of thoughts, see where it takes you, dont think

psytrance + high doses is nice, Ive mostly done high doses where ordinary thinking is impossible (always 3+ hits, it also helps letting go of any fear easily)


is pretty good for high doses... because it is slow... but perfect mix

know thyself like they say, easier with high doses, because you will be forced to rebuild and face yourself
but it can happen with many low/medium dose trips too... no need for egodeath for it, which can be unpleasant/life changing
can also be very good... both good and bad, should be essential to any psychonaut


Edited by lessismore (11/06/13 07:42 AM)


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19094253 - 11/06/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

NotTheDevil said:
Quote:

KGB Is Go said:
"...The nibblers of this world are no friends of mine. It should be overwhelming, and it should be an act of courage” - Terence McKenna

I read this Terence quote from a post by Lorenzo. It's taken from Podcast 374 - "Boostrapping Ourselves" over at Matrix Masters.

What do other Shroomerites think of this comment?



Sounds like :dawerp:
like :underage:
like your not good enough unless you take high doses of drugs
like "ugh you did one gram of mushies, I did ten"





I agree wholeheartedly 100% with Terence's opinion on the dabblers. No love for the dabblers. Theyre the posers that can never know thyself.


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: lessismore]
    #19094260 - 11/06/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I do understand though. I have been to that point before...


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"Psychedelic drugs don't change you - they don't change your character - unless you want to be changed. They enable change; they can't impose it...” - Sasha Shulgin


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: mindgnome]
    #19094442 - 11/06/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think what Terrance was trying to convey,  I mean you've never encountered that guy who wants to be cool and says "oh ya I've tripped" when the most they've ever taken was like 2 g's or 1 hit. Its not really true to say you know about the psychedelic experience completely until you have that moment of surrender.
In my own personal experiences I would tend to agree with him on this one.  I don't think I had a true taste of the psychedelic experience until I dosed enough for my ego to dissolve.  Its just that this basic human experience has been robbed from us by our ridiculous puritan guilt ridden society.  So its not as if most people ever get the chance to fully experience the awe of psyches because they're just illegal so its a pain in the ass.

It's kind of like going to a movie and watching the previews and then leaving after the credits roll in and writing a review of the movie.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19094602 - 11/06/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

true

only egodeath made me find myself, had forgotten myself for 10+ years

the trips leading up to the death healed me a lot each time though, all fear left slowly, started feeling happy everyday again, appreciating what I got, eating healthily, reducing stress etc.
the opposite of before tripping

but I always dosed high, low doses dont really do anything for me, always took 3.5g+ shrooms or 3hits lsd, or above

definitely something that should be tried, the world is new afterwards like first time you saw it, all problems vanish :-)

when it happens you dont want to go there again as to keep your new identity likely, but you dont really decide that it seems lol
then its possible to get there on 2g mushrooms, or 1 hit lsd later on...
soon you learn to live without defining yourself/your world, because it all dissolves on every trip, every preconceived notion :-)

its funny... everytime I hear people say its a shitty rain weather
I can find happiness from observing/walking in the rain lol, after egodeath


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